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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-08-2014 05:16 PM)LUalumfromnc Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 05:11 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  Sun belt forum got eerily quiet all of a sudden


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Not yet. It is not over until there is confirmation who the 12th member is. I hope Liberty is that member and I do not know why all this hate is happening towards my alma mater. If Liberty is the new member this is going to be a great new rivalry between Appy State and LU!!!!

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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-08-2014 09:52 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

No worries. Good questions. I know one poster already addressed your questions however I will reiterate since you asked me. Liberty has a 22% acceptance rate and is listed as Selective by the US News and World Report See link http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

Speaking in terms of online undergrad programs only there is a minimum GPA of 1.5 that is required and the online advising board or whatever it is called then judges whether or not someone with that low of GPA will be accepted. Most of the time online they do accept them. Graduate programs are different for example in order to get into the MBA Graduate online program a 3.0 undergrad is required. The online portion of Liberty is Tier 6 accredited which is the highest possible accreditation through SACCS, again same program that accredits Duke, Maryland, etc.

As far as SAT/ACT comparisons see this link http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/sun-b...omparison/
Doesn't make sense. Liberty goes from a 90% acceptance rate to 22%? Helps their accreditation. Sounds like it is whatever helps.
They don't need to be playing with the figures if they are.
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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-08-2014 09:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:14 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 07:07 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  Without taking the time to look up smu, Tom you do realize that at notre dame you have to agree with, abide by, and advance the Catholic mission. So to say you'd take them and not Liberty wrecks your reasoning (since athletics is not considered)

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Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

According to U.S. News, 22.8% of students are accepted to Liberty. I think they (U.S. News) used to report +90% but that was because Liberty didn't give out the information showing how many students they had turned down. Because of this, among some other things, it really dragged down their ranking and since they reported a more accurate number then their ranking increased.

I've heard it mentioned here several times that many of the schools in the Sun Belt have the mission to offer affordable and quality education to in-state students. Liberty is similar in the way that they want to offer quality education to as many individuals as they can because they believe that everyone deserves the chance at a Christian education. Dr. Falwell Sr. used to say, "If it's Christian, it should be better."

I think chiefsfan (and I'm sorry if it was someone else or I'm misquoting) said it best, "Liberty is a private school acting like a public while JMU is a public school acting like a private."

Twasnt I. I am pretty sure an ASU fan said it though.

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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-09-2014 04:35 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Doesn't make sense. Liberty goes from a 90% acceptance rate to 22%? Helps their accreditation. Sounds like it is whatever helps.
They don't need to be playing with the figures if they are.

This is my problem with private schools that have limited state oversight and reporting requirements and aren't subject to FOIA.
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RE: Are we adding two teams?
(04-08-2014 09:52 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

No worries. Good questions. I know one poster already addressed your questions however I will reiterate since you asked me. Liberty has a 22% acceptance rate and is listed as Selective by the US News and World Report See link http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

Speaking in terms of online undergrad programs only there is a minimum GPA of 1.5 that is required and the online advising board or whatever it is called then judges whether or not someone with that low of GPA will be accepted. Most of the time online they do accept them. Graduate programs are different for example in order to get into the MBA Graduate online program a 3.0 undergrad is required. The online portion of Liberty is Tier 6 accredited which is the highest possible accreditation through SACCS, again same program that accredits Duke, Maryland, etc.

As far as SAT/ACT comparisons see this link http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/sun-b...omparison/


I'm not well-versed in comparative statistics of online programs, but a 1.5 GPA seems absurdly low for any sort of higher education. Is that typical for most distance learning programs? I didn't think you could earn a high school diploma with a D average.
I'm sure the curriculum offered meets SACS standards but the very high volume of acceptance that a 1.5 GPA minimum must result in certainly makes it look like a for-profit enterprise.
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(04-09-2014 08:28 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:52 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

No worries. Good questions. I know one poster already addressed your questions however I will reiterate since you asked me. Liberty has a 22% acceptance rate and is listed as Selective by the US News and World Report See link http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

Speaking in terms of online undergrad programs only there is a minimum GPA of 1.5 that is required and the online advising board or whatever it is called then judges whether or not someone with that low of GPA will be accepted. Most of the time online they do accept them. Graduate programs are different for example in order to get into the MBA Graduate online program a 3.0 undergrad is required. The online portion of Liberty is Tier 6 accredited which is the highest possible accreditation through SACCS, again same program that accredits Duke, Maryland, etc.

As far as SAT/ACT comparisons see this link http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/sun-b...omparison/


I'm not well-versed in comparative statistics of online programs, but a 1.5 GPA seems absurdly low for any sort of higher education. Is that typical for most distance learning programs? I didn't think you could earn a high school diploma with a D average.
I'm sure the curriculum offered meets SACS standards but the very high volume of acceptance that a 1.5 GPA minimum must result in certainly makes it look like a for-profit enterprise.

Not sure why this is a question. LU has the admission requirements on its page.

"Students must have above a 2.0 cumulative combined GPA for all accredited colleges attended or for high school. If you do not meet this GPA standard please speak with an Admissions Specialist about your situation."

http://www.liberty.edu/online/online-edu...uirements/
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(04-09-2014 08:55 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 08:28 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:52 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 09:01 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

No worries. Good questions. I know one poster already addressed your questions however I will reiterate since you asked me. Liberty has a 22% acceptance rate and is listed as Selective by the US News and World Report See link http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

Speaking in terms of online undergrad programs only there is a minimum GPA of 1.5 that is required and the online advising board or whatever it is called then judges whether or not someone with that low of GPA will be accepted. Most of the time online they do accept them. Graduate programs are different for example in order to get into the MBA Graduate online program a 3.0 undergrad is required. The online portion of Liberty is Tier 6 accredited which is the highest possible accreditation through SACCS, again same program that accredits Duke, Maryland, etc.

As far as SAT/ACT comparisons see this link http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/sun-b...omparison/


I'm not well-versed in comparative statistics of online programs, but a 1.5 GPA seems absurdly low for any sort of higher education. Is that typical for most distance learning programs? I didn't think you could earn a high school diploma with a D average.
I'm sure the curriculum offered meets SACS standards but the very high volume of acceptance that a 1.5 GPA minimum must result in certainly makes it look like a for-profit enterprise.

Not sure why this is a question. LU has the admission requirements on its page.

"Students must have above a 2.0 cumulative combined GPA for all accredited colleges attended or for high school. If you do not meet this GPA standard please speak with an Admissions Specialist about your situation."

http://www.liberty.edu/online/online-edu...uirements/

Good find. I thought 1.5 sounded way low but I listened to my wife... Never again lol
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(04-09-2014 09:02 AM)Liberty22 Wrote:  Good find. I thought 1.5 sounded way low but I listened to my wife... Never again lol

If you wanna stayed married, at least continue to appear as though you listen to her. 03-lmfao
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(04-09-2014 09:05 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(04-09-2014 09:02 AM)Liberty22 Wrote:  Good find. I thought 1.5 sounded way low but I listened to my wife... Never again lol

If you wanna stayed married, at least continue to appear as though you listen to her. 03-lmfao

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