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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
Dunphy has overstayed his welcome. Despite his commendable gameday coaching, his recruiting has been dismal. Recently Temple's lost very important recruiting battles to PC, Iowa, St. John's...not exactly programs the 6th most winningest program should be losing out to on a regular basis. We need someone younger, more energetic...someone who can better relate to recruits and doesn't keep staff around just because they're buddies (see Dave Duke).
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
Fran needs to retire...time to hang it up.
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
(04-08-2014 12:16 PM)wavefan12 Wrote: I just don't understand why Memphis fans appear to be content with paying their coach $2mm for the results he has given them despite having some of the best fan support in the country. I just think Memphis Bball fans deserve to feel that they have a legit shot at a final four every year. Pastner sure can recruit, but I still say he has been a disappointment overall. I would flat out kill for a guy like Pastner at TU, but we are talking about a program that is top 10 in ticket sales every year despite playing against many many bad teams.
Go to the Memphis board. There is thread after thread after thread saying Pastner can't coach, he's overpaid, he's in over his head, we need to hire someone else, etc., etc.
I'm not saying that is necessarily representative of Memphis fans, but I was at the conference tourney, and after our opening blowout loss to UConn, many in attendance were saying similar things.
I'm not at all on the fire Pastner bandwagon, but I am disappointed in the last few weeks of the season. Some of our play was inexcusable. I think there is much room for improvement.
(This post was last modified: 04-08-2014 06:23 PM by cotton1991.)
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
(04-08-2014 03:33 PM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote: Dunphy has overstayed his welcome. Despite his commendable gameday coaching, his recruiting has been dismal. Recently Temple's lost very important recruiting battles to PC, Iowa, St. John's...not exactly programs the 6th most winningest program should be losing out to on a regular basis. We need someone younger, more energetic...someone who can better relate to recruits and doesn't keep staff around just because they're buddies (see Dave Duke).
If Dunphy likes ribs and is interested in taking an assistant coaching position, I know the perfect place for him.
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Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
When Pastner makes a deep run, then the critics have nothing to offer. Until then, he's under a microscope. Pastner will get it done, but will it be with Memphis? That is the question. Finally, I don't think a lot of people understand what it means to be the basketball coach at Memphis. It's a different level that few programs truly understand.
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
To answer the OP, no, Ollie winning does not put any more pressure on Pastner than was already there. He needs to make the S16 in the next 2 or 3 years, or he is likely gone. Ollie winning did not change that.
As for Memphis fans, yes, some portion is unhappy with Pastner, some are on the fence, and some are okay with him. But the only ones who count are the couple of boosters who pay his salary. When they decide he goes, then he goes. Right now, he hasn't done well enough to be secure for a long time, nor poorly enough for them to buy him out.
Remember, they gave Pastner an extension and a huge raise, from $1.7M to $2.65M, just last year. Maybe if the Tulane fan wants to take up the buyout payments, we can go ahead and hire another coach that better meets our standards.
(This post was last modified: 04-08-2014 10:34 PM by TripleA.)
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
(04-08-2014 10:33 PM)TripleA Wrote: To answer the OP, no, Ollie winning does not put any more pressure on Pastner than was already there. He needs to make the S16 in the next 2 or 3 years, or he is likely gone. Ollie winning did not change that.
As for Memphis fans, yes, some portion is unhappy with Pastner, some are on the fence, and some are okay with him. But the only ones who count are the couple of boosters who pay his salary. When they decide he goes, then he goes. Right now, he hasn't done well enough to be secure for a long time, nor poorly enough for them to buy him out.
Remember, they gave Pastner an extension and a huge raise, from $1.7M to $2.65M, just last year. Maybe if the Tulane fan wants to take up the buyout payments, we can go ahead and hire another coach that better meets our standards.
It's unrealistic for any fan base to think 20 win seasons and tournament appearances will quickly translate to making the Final Four. It took Calhoun several attempts to get past a regional final. One thing he never did until late in his career, however, is lose a first round game.
Memphis and Cincy are good enough and competitive enough with their present coaches. Temple has been a huge disappointment, which is too bad because most basketball people think Dunphy is a great coach.
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
We simply have too many fans who think 2006-2009 is the norm...I simply can't be upset about making the NCAA Tourney and advancing to the round of 32.
Pastner is overpaid, but USC offering him big $$$ got him a big raise after a 31 win season...it is what it is.
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
(04-08-2014 11:38 AM)mlb Wrote: Temple has no money to do anything about Dunphy. Cronin definitely needs to perform better in the post season. I have never been a believer in Pastner.
For the love of god, will you stop trolling us already...
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
Biggest problem I see with Memphis is their ability to play lock down defense. Pastner needs to fix that if he wants to beat good teams.
Both UCONN men's and women's teams win because of defense, not dunking highlight reels. Teams like Memphis that have the athletes really need to play better defense to get to the next level.
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
(04-09-2014 01:47 AM)SF Husky Wrote: Biggest problem I see with Memphis is their ability to play lock down defense. Pastner needs to fix that if he wants to beat good teams.
Both UCONN men's and women's teams win because of defense, not dunking highlight reels. Teams like Memphis that have the athletes really need to play better defense to get to the next level.
Well then you will get your wish next year. I actually think the newbies will buy into defense
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
(04-08-2014 08:44 PM)tnzazz Wrote: When Pastner makes a deep run, then the critics have nothing to offer. Until then, he's under a microscope. Pastner will get it done, but will it be with Memphis? That is the question. Finally, I don't think a lot of people understand what it means to be the basketball coach at Memphis. It's a different level that few programs truly understand.
"WHEN Pastner makes a deep run . . . "
Don't you mean, "IF . . . "?
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
(04-08-2014 11:28 PM)TRest3 Wrote: (04-08-2014 10:33 PM)TripleA Wrote: To answer the OP, no, Ollie winning does not put any more pressure on Pastner than was already there. He needs to make the S16 in the next 2 or 3 years, or he is likely gone. Ollie winning did not change that.
As for Memphis fans, yes, some portion is unhappy with Pastner, some are on the fence, and some are okay with him. But the only ones who count are the couple of boosters who pay his salary. When they decide he goes, then he goes. Right now, he hasn't done well enough to be secure for a long time, nor poorly enough for them to buy him out.
Remember, they gave Pastner an extension and a huge raise, from $1.7M to $2.65M, just last year. Maybe if the Tulane fan wants to take up the buyout payments, we can go ahead and hire another coach that better meets our standards.
It's unrealistic for any fan base to think 20 win seasons and tournament appearances will quickly translate to making the Final Four. It took Calhoun several attempts to get past a regional final. One thing he never did until late in his career, however, is lose a first round game.
Memphis and Cincy are good enough and competitive enough with their present coaches. Temple has been a huge disappointment, which is too bad because most basketball people think Dunphy is a great coach.
Recruiting is part of coaching at the college level.
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
(04-08-2014 11:28 PM)TRest3 Wrote: (04-08-2014 10:33 PM)TripleA Wrote: To answer the OP, no, Ollie winning does not put any more pressure on Pastner than was already there. He needs to make the S16 in the next 2 or 3 years, or he is likely gone. Ollie winning did not change that.
As for Memphis fans, yes, some portion is unhappy with Pastner, some are on the fence, and some are okay with him. But the only ones who count are the couple of boosters who pay his salary. When they decide he goes, then he goes. Right now, he hasn't done well enough to be secure for a long time, nor poorly enough for them to buy him out.
Remember, they gave Pastner an extension and a huge raise, from $1.7M to $2.65M, just last year. Maybe if the Tulane fan wants to take up the buyout payments, we can go ahead and hire another coach that better meets our standards.
It's unrealistic for any fan base to think 20 win seasons and tournament appearances will quickly translate to making the Final Four. It took Calhoun several attempts to get past a regional final. One thing he never did until late in his career, however, is lose a first round game.
Memphis and Cincy are good enough and competitive enough with their present coaches. Temple has been a huge disappointment, which is too bad because most basketball people think Dunphy is a great coach.
Good point about patience with a young coach. John Wooden didn't even get UCLA to the tournament until he had been there 14 years. Not everyone can have the good fortune that Ollie has had as a young coach.
In the Calhoun-Pastner comparison, a younger Calhoun didn't ever lose in the first round, but he did have years when he failed to get UConn to the tournament altogether, something which Pastner hasn't done since he got things rolling at Memphis
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
I'm okay with Coach Pastner, but had low expectations for a fIrst time coach inheriting a gutted program with sanction uncertainty. Thinking back, many predicted the demise of the program, and coaches were not knocking down the door to follow Calipari. I thought it'd be a win if the Tigers held serve in national relevance, attendance, donations... So far, so good. If he ends up not being the guy to take the Tigers to the next level, he will at least have kept them in contention...which all things considered isn't too shabby.
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
(04-09-2014 12:20 AM)JHG722 Wrote: (04-08-2014 11:38 AM)mlb Wrote: Temple has no money to do anything about Dunphy. Cronin definitely needs to perform better in the post season. I have never been a believer in Pastner.
For the love of god, will you stop trolling us already...
Mid-major.
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
(04-09-2014 06:16 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote: I'm okay with Coach Pastner, but had low expectations for a fIrst time coach inheriting a gutted program with sanction uncertainty. Thinking back, many predicted the demise of the program, and coaches were not knocking down the door to follow Calipari. I thought it'd be a win if the Tigers held serve in national relevance, attendance, donations... So far, so good. If he ends up not being the guy to take the Tigers to the next level, he will at least have kept them in contention...which all things considered isn't too shabby.
Good post. To be clear, my POV is not that Pastner has been some sort of train wreck by any means, just that I consider it a great job and great fanbase. Even during that transition period, the fact that you still had 14-15k a night in a first class facility, means something to donors, recruits, atmosphere and coaches. That type of support can overcome most problems, IMO. Maybe I am bias as I see 1000 people show up to games in NOLA.
To the other poster, I think I will change my fandom to Kansas so I can get some respect here.
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RE: Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
(04-09-2014 04:57 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote: (04-08-2014 08:44 PM)tnzazz Wrote: When Pastner makes a deep run, then the critics have nothing to offer. Until then, he's under a microscope. Pastner will get it done, but will it be with Memphis? That is the question. Finally, I don't think a lot of people understand what it means to be the basketball coach at Memphis. It's a different level that few programs truly understand.
"WHEN Pastner makes a deep run . . . "
Don't you mean, "IF . . . "?
Trolling comes easy for you
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Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
(04-09-2014 01:47 AM)SF Husky Wrote: Biggest problem I see with Memphis is their ability to play lock down defense. Pastner needs to fix that if he wants to beat good teams.
Both UCONN men's and women's teams win because of defense, not dunking highlight reels. Teams like Memphis that have the athletes really need to play better defense to get to the next level.
Agreed
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Does Ollie raise the stakes for Pastner, Cronin, Dunphy?
(04-09-2014 04:57 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote: (04-08-2014 08:44 PM)tnzazz Wrote: When Pastner makes a deep run, then the critics have nothing to offer. Until then, he's under a microscope. Pastner will get it done, but will it be with Memphis? That is the question. Finally, I don't think a lot of people understand what it means to be the basketball coach at Memphis. It's a different level that few programs truly understand.
"WHEN Pastner makes a deep run . . . "
Don't you mean, "IF . . . "?
It will happen. Matter of when, not if.
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