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RE: only one for sure FBS spot left
(04-07-2014 11:30 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:26 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:14 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:05 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:03 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  You forgot about the willing part. Liberty is the only school willing to make the move now. JMU has decided it is MAC or bust. MSU is a couple years from willing to make the move. EKU is the same as MSU. Then we have Lamar who may be willing but nobody wants them.

Liberty is the only school who is willing and ready now. That is why they will be the 12th member. The Belt wants a CCG next year and that require a team be announce this year.

That is dumb. To take the first available just to have an extra year or two of a championship game of questionable value.

Then tell me who else we should be waiting for! A MSU who may not want to move there oly sports to the Belt, JMU who has shown they do not want to join the Belt, or EKU who dreams of FBS but may never actually make the move. That leave Lamar and Liberty. Between those two who do you choose? If you chose Liberty over Lamar the go ahead and add them now.

Religion and politics aside, Liberty athletics is just as good as the other teams on this list. This is a sports forum. If you want to argue religion and politics then find a forum other than sports to argue your point.

I'm not a Liberty fan because I didn't attend there, but I don't hate them either as some seem to absolutely love doing. Once one gets past all the b.s. and gets down to brass tacks this is a sports affiliated conference and Liberty and JMU are the two best viable options.

Most JMU fans have no interest in the SBC. We don't need another school with fans constantly pimping to get out.

Liberty is a private school with agendas very different from the rest of the SBC schools.

Wait until a public university is ready and willing.

We are not in a situation where we have to scramble for members.

I presume most of the JMU student body and alumni are from middle Atlantic states and would have little interest in ties to a conference centered on the Gulf coast. It'd be the same for App St if they were in the MAC which is why I'm glad we're in the Belt. We do have a nice rivalry with them and they are similar to us in many ways other than the non-Southern ties.
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04-07-2014 11:36 AM
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RE: only one for sure FBS spot left
(04-07-2014 11:22 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:15 AM)SHWISH Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 10:54 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 10:48 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 10:44 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  All these FCS schools are starting to talk FBS when only one for sure spot is left. Who gets that last spot? EKU, Liberty, JMU, Lamar, and MSU All want to go FBS. The Sun Belt has a big decision to make and one of these teams could be lucky enough to be the last FCS to FBS move for some time.

I could see Idaho eventually leaving the Belt and creating another spot but that could be several years from now. It seems 12 is the magic number now that the CFP has started. I don't see CUSA adding any teams even if they lose two. I think the MAC is ok staying at 12. The MWC seems ok at 12. I just don't see any major realignment opening any spots for any more FCS teams.

One for sure spot left and seveal teams wanting in. Who is ready and willing to make that move today. We all know the answer but most aren't willing to accept it. Liberty will get that last FCS to FBS spot.

The Sun Belt holds the golden ticket for sure. What's the deal with Idaho anyways? Has the Sun Belt promised them anything? Why are they even here?

Idaho is here because they were a previous Sun Belt member and would have given the Belt 12 teams. WKU decided to go to CUSA leaving us with 11 teams. I don't think Idaho will last very long at the FBS level. The Sun Belt won't kick them out. We will have to wait for them to leave on there own.
Is being a former member really the reason for Idaho. Lamar is a former SBC member.

Lamar was never a football member.

But I don't buy the former member hypothesis. Simple matter of at the time Idaho got the league to 12 in football and while the travel isn't great, Sun Belt schools were already scheduling them home/home in non-conference so the football travel wasn't that big of a concern.

No football only arrangement has ever lasted more than 14 years (though I expect Hawaii/MWC to break that mark eventually) and of the 24 football only agreements ever executed only two have lasted more than 7 years.

It is very unlikely Idaho will be in the Sun Belt come 2020 either by choice of the league or choice of Idaho but the odds are against it.

Contrary to theory that is one golden ticket left, I think there are as many as three and as few as 2. One to be Sun Belt 12th full member, one to be full member 13 replacing Idaho, one to be full member 14 replacing NMSU... unless NMSU gets the full member spot.

I did say another spot would open up down the road if and when Idaho leaves. Right now there is only one for sure spot. In your honest opinion, who gets the vote to be the 12th member?
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RE: only one for sure FBS spot left
(04-07-2014 11:32 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:30 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:26 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:14 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:05 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  That is dumb. To take the first available just to have an extra year or two of a championship game of questionable value.

Then tell me who else we should be waiting for! A MSU who may not want to move there oly sports to the Belt, JMU who has shown they do not want to join the Belt, or EKU who dreams of FBS but may never actually make the move. That leave Lamar and Liberty. Between those two who do you choose? If you chose Liberty over Lamar the go ahead and add them now.

Religion and politics aside, Liberty athletics is just as good as the other teams on this list. This is a sports forum. If you want to argue religion and politics then find a forum other than sports to argue your point.

I'm not a Liberty fan because I didn't attend there, but I don't hate them either as some seem to absolutely love doing. Once one gets past all the b.s. and gets down to brass tacks this is a sports affiliated conference and Liberty and JMU are the two best viable options.

Most JMU fans have no interest in the SBC. We don't need another school with fans constantly pimping to get out.

Liberty is a private school with agendas very different from the rest of the SBC schools.

Wait until a public university is ready and willing.

We are not in a situation where we have to scramble for members.

So the poll on our board that was 75% in favor of joining the SBC isn't representative of JMU fans? ok

I'm with you, I haven't given up on JMU and understand an opposition to wanting to join a league when you have one of its leaders trying so hard to move on (UL - I'm talking about you). But once you move beyond the leagues old rep, and focus on the new teams - it is really a pretty good conference, especially in football which is probably where most of the concerns lie. I have very little respect of MAC football, and my former respect for CUSA has all but disappeared with the loss of key programs. THE SBC is the place to be among non AQ conferences. We are the best and will continue to get better. A Southern footprint is going to trump the MAC's if for no other reason than recruiting. The power of the SEC (IMOP) is greatly enhanced by a similar recruiting hot bed footprint - I believe this will long term boost the football power of the SBC over the MWC, even the AAC and certainly the MAC. If JMU plans to continue football power growth, the SBC is it's best choice. JMU = still our best option to - and it aint over yet.
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RE: only one for sure FBS spot left
(04-07-2014 11:01 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 10:56 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I really think UMass is the 12 team (fb-only) for the Sunbelt. When Idaho finally realizes they need to go FCS, then another spot will open up.
If the Big 12 goes to 12, then I see Cincy/Memphis gone from the AAC, AAC raids Charlotte and ODU. C-USA stays at 12 as well as the Sunbelt.

To me, in that area, MTSU seems a more solid athletic program than Charlotte. ODU, like UTSA, has a lot of FBS potential but after the first class graduates, it will be interesting to see how these programs reload. As far as 12 members is concerned, I would agree that C-USA would stay at 12 for a while if further realignment occurs.

While MTSU maybe a more solid athletic program, Charlotte would be taken because of market. AAC will expand for their market.
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RE: only one for sure FBS spot left
(04-07-2014 12:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:01 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 10:56 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I really think UMass is the 12 team (fb-only) for the Sunbelt. When Idaho finally realizes they need to go FCS, then another spot will open up.
If the Big 12 goes to 12, then I see Cincy/Memphis gone from the AAC, AAC raids Charlotte and ODU. C-USA stays at 12 as well as the Sunbelt.

To me, in that area, MTSU seems a more solid athletic program than Charlotte. ODU, like UTSA, has a lot of FBS potential but after the first class graduates, it will be interesting to see how these programs reload. As far as 12 members is concerned, I would agree that C-USA would stay at 12 for a while if further realignment occurs.

While MTSU maybe a more solid athletic program, Charlotte would be taken because of market. AAC will expand for their market.

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RE: only one for sure FBS spot left
(04-07-2014 11:36 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:30 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:26 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:14 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:05 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  That is dumb. To take the first available just to have an extra year or two of a championship game of questionable value.

Then tell me who else we should be waiting for! A MSU who may not want to move there oly sports to the Belt, JMU who has shown they do not want to join the Belt, or EKU who dreams of FBS but may never actually make the move. That leave Lamar and Liberty. Between those two who do you choose? If you chose Liberty over Lamar the go ahead and add them now.

Religion and politics aside, Liberty athletics is just as good as the other teams on this list. This is a sports forum. If you want to argue religion and politics then find a forum other than sports to argue your point.

I'm not a Liberty fan because I didn't attend there, but I don't hate them either as some seem to absolutely love doing. Once one gets past all the b.s. and gets down to brass tacks this is a sports affiliated conference and Liberty and JMU are the two best viable options.

Most JMU fans have no interest in the SBC. We don't need another school with fans constantly pimping to get out.

Liberty is a private school with agendas very different from the rest of the SBC schools.

Wait until a public university is ready and willing.

We are not in a situation where we have to scramble for members.

I presume most of the JMU student body and alumni are from middle Atlantic states and would have little interest in ties to a conference centered on the Gulf coast. It'd be the same for App St if they were in the MAC which is why I'm glad we're in the Belt. We do have a nice rivalry with them and they are similar to us in many ways other than the non-Southern ties.
Saw a comparison on Virginia colleges just the other day. Only 33% of JMU's students are from outside the state.
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RE: only one for sure FBS spot left
(04-07-2014 11:34 AM)SHWISH Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:19 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:15 AM)SHWISH Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 10:54 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 10:48 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  The Sun Belt holds the golden ticket for sure. What's the deal with Idaho anyways? Has the Sun Belt promised them anything? Why are they even here?

Idaho is here because they were a previous Sun Belt member and would have given the Belt 12 teams. WKU decided to go to CUSA leaving us with 11 teams. I don't think Idaho will last very long at the FBS level. The Sun Belt won't kick them out. We will have to wait for them to leave on there own.
Is being a former member really the reason for Idaho. Lamar is a former SBC member.

How about being a former member who was already FBS! Is that better? I would hate for Lamar to get there feelings hurt!
No feeling hurts. Lamar did it to themselves by stupidly dropping football and leaving the SBC. The new people at Lamar understands and won't be making those mistakes again. We just need a chance.

What I'm not clear on is what steps Lamar is taking to garner a chance? 16,000 seats isn't screaming FBS plan.
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RE: only one for sure FBS spot left
(04-07-2014 12:17 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:36 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:30 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:26 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:14 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  Then tell me who else we should be waiting for! A MSU who may not want to move there oly sports to the Belt, JMU who has shown they do not want to join the Belt, or EKU who dreams of FBS but may never actually make the move. That leave Lamar and Liberty. Between those two who do you choose? If you chose Liberty over Lamar the go ahead and add them now.

Religion and politics aside, Liberty athletics is just as good as the other teams on this list. This is a sports forum. If you want to argue religion and politics then find a forum other than sports to argue your point.

I'm not a Liberty fan because I didn't attend there, but I don't hate them either as some seem to absolutely love doing. Once one gets past all the b.s. and gets down to brass tacks this is a sports affiliated conference and Liberty and JMU are the two best viable options.

Most JMU fans have no interest in the SBC. We don't need another school with fans constantly pimping to get out.

Liberty is a private school with agendas very different from the rest of the SBC schools.

Wait until a public university is ready and willing.

We are not in a situation where we have to scramble for members.

I presume most of the JMU student body and alumni are from middle Atlantic states and would have little interest in ties to a conference centered on the Gulf coast. It'd be the same for App St if they were in the MAC which is why I'm glad we're in the Belt. We do have a nice rivalry with them and they are similar to us in many ways other than the non-Southern ties.
Saw a comparison on Virginia colleges just the other day. Only 33% of JMU's students are from outside the state.

Can you buy sweet tea in Harrisonburg, VA? If so then there isn't much of a culture clash, get them in the Belt. If not, lets move on.
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Idaho isn't going anywhere. I don't see them dropping down anytime soon. NMSU is even less likely.
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RE: only one for sure FBS spot left
(04-07-2014 10:44 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  All these FCS schools are starting to talk FBS when only one for sure spot is left. Who gets that last spot? EKU, Liberty, JMU, Lamar, and MSU All want to go FBS. The Sun Belt has a big decision to make and one of these teams could be lucky enough to be the last FCS to FBS move for some time.

I could see Idaho eventually leaving the Belt and creating another spot but that could be several years from now. It seems 12 is the magic number now that the CFP has started. I don't see CUSA adding any teams even if they lose two. I think the MAC is ok staying at 12. The MWC seems ok at 12. I just don't see any major realignment opening any spots for any more FCS teams.

One for sure spot left and seveal teams wanting in. Who is ready and willing to make that move today. We all know the answer but most aren't willing to accept it. Liberty will get that last FCS to FBS spot.

No need to rush.
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