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(03-28-2014 12:16 PM)pjc1979 Wrote:  I thought us (App St) and Georgia Southern had it tough trying to become FBS at such a late date. Perhaps it wasn't so bad being FCS overly long like we thought it was.

I would argue that if App had moved in the late 90's, early 2000's, they would not be as well known as they are today. No huge Michigan upset, no 3-peat, may have tried to put Armanti at WR (f*** you Texas State), no surge in attendance and donations seen from the upset and 3-peat.

Not arguing App wouldn't be they are today, but I'm not convinced the notoriety would be there.

Georgia Southern, well, if we had an AD with vision and passion, we should have moved after #6. From what I have heard, we were invited to be one of the original Sun Belt football members but our AD would have nothing to do with it. This may have been his marching orders from the President, but from what I hear, he had no problem whatsoever being a big fish in a small pong. Made his job easy.

Once word got our about a possible 1-A invite, Baker went on a press tour denouncing the Sun Belt and proclaiming there would be a mass exodus from 1-A to 1-AA for teams that couldn't afford it. Some of the fans ate it up, while others weren't all that sure of that claim.

When we got our new President, he mentioned FBS many time searly on in his tenure, so we knew that was going to be the path he was attempting to forge. Despite what many Panties may say, the Georgia State announcement for FBS did not start turning the wheels for Georgia Southern's move to FBS, but it did kick it up a gear. There's no way we could let those guys pass us by, regardless of how they got there.

Us Southern fans are proud to be in a conference with similarly minded schools that have the same goals and vision we do. I, for one, never thought we fit into the SoCon of late.

Hail Southern and Hail Sun Belt!

Please correct any details I may have stated incorrectly.
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Quote:Idaho. No program has moved major/minor more times than Idaho. They've been in the early form of today's Pac-12, to Big Sky to Big West. They went FBS because the Big West needed bodies and Boise State was going so they went as a pair then the Big West collapsed.

Idaho wasn't always a "warm body" as you put it.

We blew out Boise State the first season we were in the Big West, and beat them again it 1998. We were Big West conference champions that same year. Of course, we took a sharp nosedive the moment we left the Big West.
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Here is ULM's first DIA schedule as an Independent in 1994

1994-ULM (Independent)
9/3 @ Colorado (11-1) L 13 48
9/10 @ Auburn (9-1-1) L 12 44
9/17 @ Georgia (6-4-1) L 6 70
9/24 @ Nevada (9-2) L 22 34
10/1 vs. Weber State (non-IA) W 62 37
10/8 @ Wyoming (6-6) L 14 28
10/15 vs. Central Florida (non-IA) L 16 33
10/22 vs. Jacksonville State (non-IA) L 28 32
11/5 @ Brigham Young (10-3) L 10 24
11/12 @ Kentucky (1-10) W 21 14
11/19 vs. North Texas (non-IA) W 38 20

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(03-28-2014 05:38 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
Quote:Idaho. No program has moved major/minor more times than Idaho. They've been in the early form of today's Pac-12, to Big Sky to Big West. They went FBS because the Big West needed bodies and Boise State was going so they went as a pair then the Big West collapsed.

Idaho wasn't always a "warm body" as you put it.

We blew out Boise State the first season we were in the Big West, and beat them again it 1998. We were Big West conference champions that same year. Of course, we took a sharp nosedive the moment we left the Big West.

Idaho has a great history and had some really good teams but you also garnered negative press when your school tried to skirt the rules to become FBS by playing at Martin for a season, the NCAA said no, Idaho comes back with a four year lease, NCAA says OK and then as soon as reclassified started pulling games from Martin.

Given the circumstances of the Big West move, no one not needing a warm body would have made that invite.
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(03-28-2014 01:27 PM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  I would argue that if App had moved in the late 90's, early 2000's, they would not be as well known as they are today. No huge Michigan upset, no 3-peat, may have tried to put Armanti at WR (f*** you Texas State), no surge in attendance and donations seen from the upset and 3-peat.

What does Texas State have to do with that??? I musta missed something there.
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(03-28-2014 06:12 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(03-28-2014 01:27 PM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  I would argue that if App had moved in the late 90's, early 2000's, they would not be as well known as they are today. No huge Michigan upset, no 3-peat, may have tried to put Armanti at WR (f*** you Texas State), no surge in attendance and donations seen from the upset and 3-peat.

What does Texas State have to do with that??? I musta missed something there.

Armanti Edwards, one of the greatest 1-AA/FCS players of all time was originally committed to Georgia Southern. After the meltdown of the millennium when we Texas State came back and beat Georgia Southern in the 2005 playoffs, we fired our head coach Mike Sewak. Hired a flaming moron who implemented a pro style. So, he decommits and signs with App State. Thus, starting their 3-peat, win over Michigan, and multiple Walter Payton awards, and surge to the top of the FCS ranks.

We could have had the top two players in the country on the same team.

App owes Texas State big time.

This is my biased opinion that several of us chose to believe.

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Louisiana-Lafayette booted from the Southland when the SLC was reclassified FBS. Cast around as an indy finally landing in the Big West and passed by their indy neighbors for the new C-USA. Sitting between Tulane and Houston... not a surprise.

What was the story here? We were booted from the Southland?

While I don't recall the circumstances of the Cajuns leaving the Southland, I do recall that when we went FBS, the AD or President of McNeese said something to the effect, "some schools are happy to compete at the bottom of their division (meaning the Cajuns) while others (meaning McNeese) will compete at the top of theirs".

Did McNeese ever leave the Southland? I don't think so. I thought the Southland was always FCS.
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(03-28-2014 06:19 PM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  Thus, starting their 3-peat, win over Michigan, and multiple Walter Payton awards, and surge to the top of the FCS ranks.

The 3-peat started before AE got on campus. He was a big part of #2 and #3. Thanks Tx St!
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I remember watching that Texas St. game. We were playing great for most of the 1st half. The 2nd half may be the worst half of football I have seen a Ga. Southern team play. We turned from what looked like a sure win into a beatdown. In its wake we fired our coach and hired an idiot as a coach who trashed every tradition Ga. Southern had maintained over the years.
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(03-28-2014 07:56 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Louisiana-Lafayette booted from the Southland when the SLC was reclassified FBS. Cast around as an indy finally landing in the Big West and passed by their indy neighbors for the new C-USA. Sitting between Tulane and Houston... not a surprise.

What was the story here? We were booted from the Southland?

While I don't recall the circumstances of the Cajuns leaving the Southland, I do recall that when we went FBS, the AD or President of McNeese said something to the effect, "some schools are happy to compete at the bottom of their division (meaning the Cajuns) while others (meaning McNeese) will compete at the top of theirs".

Did McNeese ever leave the Southland? I don't think so. I thought the Southland was always FCS.
McNeese never left, but they opted to go D-IAA.

The Southland Conference was D-IA until 1982 along with several other current FCS conferences (Ivy League, Missouri Valley, and some others that I don't remember off the top of my head). Those conferences were forced down to D-IAA because member universities didn't meet the attendance requirements...a lot more stringent requirements than they are now. The Southland Conference was actually the host conference for the Independence Bowl in its early years. That went away with the conference force down.

The Ragin' Cajuns and McNeese met the requirements. The Ragin' Cajuns opted to remain D-IA. McNeese met the requirements but decided to drop with the rest of the conference. (I think the Ragin' Cajuns made the right move.) The Southland had a rule that if a member played a sport sponsored by the conference, the member needed to play the conference schedule. The Ragin' Cajuns couldn't do that and remain D-IA. The Southland didn't offer any relief in the rules. (I think that was a shame...lost a good conference member with a lot of success in sports other than football.)

In 1987, several universities (Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, and Lamar) left the conference to form the American South Conference along with UL, UNO, and UTPA.
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