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RE: Here are the 2 choices-- how would you vote?
Thread seems overall unnecessary, given how beaten to death this topic is, but anyway...

Adding Umass seems strange to me, given their geography, without basketball. And, given the way they snubbed the MAC then the Belt sure as hell isn't going to get them to move their oly sports.

I had thought Missouri State was the best fit, but I'm not that knowledgeable about these things.

So, welcome to the Belt Umass?
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(03-27-2014 06:44 PM)PanAz Wrote:  Thread seems overall unnecessary, given how beaten to death this topic is, but anyway...

Adding Umass seems strange to me, given their geography, without basketball. And, given the way they snubbed the MAC then the Belt sure as hell isn't going to get them to move their oly sports.

I had thought Missouri State was the best fit, but I'm not that knowledgeable about these things.

So, welcome to the Belt Umass?

Outside of a few minor sport affiliate members, I think the MAC is composed of all sport members and when UMASS was brought in, it was to get to 14 football members, they had been at 13 for a few years due to Temple having the same FB only deal, Temple left for the AAC and UMASS football is not strong enough to justify being at an odd number, if they wanted to bring all sports over that would justify the odd number and they may have looked to add Missouri State or JMU to get to 14. ThoughI suspect when the MAC gave them their ultimatum it was with the knowledge of what their answer would ultimately be.

The Sun Belt is in a much different situation, they're looking to get to an even number in football and UMASS FB only accomplishes that, add NMSU as an all sport member and you're at a very desirable 12/14 alignment with NMSU being the only outlier in Oly sports. If a few years down the road Missouri State or JMU are still out there and decide they're ready, the Sun Belt can give UMASS the same ultimatum the MAC just did, knowing they'll pack their bags.

Is the thought of UMASS in the SBC strange? Sure, but it does provide the quickest easiest route to 12 in football with a ready built plan to push them out later if necessary.
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Again....in no way shape or form is UMASS going to the Belt. JMU or Liberty.
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For what it is worth if you go over to the UMass boards they generally do not believe they are coming to the Sun Belt.
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(03-27-2014 09:34 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  For what it is worth if you go over to the UMass boards they generally do not believe they are coming to the Sun Belt.

Exactly.
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(03-27-2014 03:18 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The CFP changes the equation.

We can go to 12 at essentially zero cost and almost certainly come out ahead financially.

With our pittance of TV money if we were to add two all-sport football members after 12, they have to bring at least $2.4 million or $1.2 million each to the table to be revenue neutral. Putting us in exactly the same place we are at 12.

The AAC is the Holy Grail of G5 in the populated part of the United States and the reality is there are members of AAC that wouldn't increase our revenue by $1.2 million because their primary value was in being acceptable candidates to get to 12.

I don't think there is any pair in CUSA that would be a lock to bring in a combined $2.4 million in new revenue.

If CFP issues a strong indication that they won't accept a new conference as a signatory to the contract that in itself becomes a deterrent to someone doing a MWC to their current conference.

It is entirely possible we may have extended period of still waters until the CFP is expiring unless someone does what has never been done... negotiate a peaceful inter-conference realignment.

Exactly. The CFP is going to end FBS expansion. After the SBC adds a 12th school, movement at the G5 level is essentially over.

None of these G5 conferences are going to want to share their playoff money with additional FCS schools that cannot increase their TV revenue.

None of the G5 conferences are going to allow an FCS Conference to move up and cut into their share of playoff money.
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(03-27-2014 11:52 AM)RaginCajun25 Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 11:38 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 11:34 AM)RaginCajun25 Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 11:28 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 11:25 AM)RaginCajun25 Wrote:  When you have 4 or so "Bowl Eligible" teams being left home during December, when you have a Georgia State basketball team kick a$$ and have a really good overall record and have to play in the NIT, and when you have a conference that has teams getting left out of regionals due to rpi issues in baseball....YOU are not in the right conference.

But hey...let's settle in

When did the Sun Belt have four eligible teams left at home and what conference do you think you're joining that isn't a one bid league?

You can't be serious????

You do realize that the Sun Belt tried to pay bowls to take its' teams right.

Left Out:
Troy
ULM
Western Kentucky
Texas State
South Alabama

Enjoy: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...ball-bowls

I can be serious, sorry I didn't follow the Sun Belt bowl situation all that closelythis year, but you failed to answer the 2nd question.


Sorry about the 2nd question...

Here you go:
It's not just about basketball (one-bid). You are correct in saying that the majority are one-bid leagues. It's about getting into a conference with more quality which in turn leads to better competition, better schedules, better rpi's, more money....see the pattern. Sun Belt will always be the conference where you have to win the league in order to get into the tourneys. It's the nature of the beast.

There's a lot of money and a huge following for the Cajuns right now. Once the right situation comes along, the money will flow. A lot of donors (big oil company owners) are reluctant to throw their money at a money pit. I don't speak for all, but we aspire to try the stepping stone approach. In a perfect world, we'll jump up to Conference USA. I agree with most that this may be a lateral move in the eyes of the Sun Belt, but nationally this is a better overall conference. Garner more attention there with TV rights and better schedules and competition and continue on the winning path. Our location (I-10) puts us right in the path of the Big XII footprint.....bash it now, but it's not out of the realm of possibility..

At this point, it is ludicrous for any G-5 conference member to even dream of membership in one of the P-5 conferences. The intent of establishing the Power Five at all was for those schools to PERMANENTLY separate themselves from those of us in G-5 conferences. The P-5 schools do not intend to share their riches with us commoners. Like the rest of us, UL-L did not make the cut, and for what it's worth, neither did Boise, UCF, or NIU. Earning BCS Bowl invitations didn't change who they are. They're all still G-5 conference members that won't be joining the ranks of the "haves" any sooner than the rest of us. Once you accept the reality of what our situation is as members of G-5 conferences, you can begin to look at the positive side of things. I think we're going to see much more inter-conference play between G-5 conferences which I think will be fun for everyone. I hope to see bowl games matching G-5 conference champions against each other, maybe even one that matches the two highest ranked G-5 teams at season's end. To me, that would be much better than bowl match ups that pit our conference champions against some crappy Power Five teams with 6-6 records.
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(03-27-2014 06:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 05:51 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 04:23 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 04:17 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  I'm saying you have a right to your opinion, clearly without fact. Thanks

Something your very familiar with.

Said Dexter the boy genius with the Napoleon Complex!

What happened to my:

(03-27-2014 02:17 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Napoleon Syndrome

?

Though in either case being of average height(5'10")and a fan of a comparable at worst athletic program I'm not really sure how that applies to me, I'm guessing you just thought it sounded good...

Anyhow, I'm still trying to figure out how I'm a hypocrite for things other people said.

Oh boy....Okay, let me make this simple for you, show me one post where you criticized any MTU fan or your administration for making similar comments towards the Sun Belt before the Blue Raider program was invited! I don’t recall you chastising any MTU fans for making similar comments or criticizing the Sun Belt Conference. I'll wait for you response.
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(03-28-2014 12:02 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 06:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 05:51 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 04:23 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 04:17 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  I'm saying you have a right to your opinion, clearly without fact. Thanks

Something your very familiar with.

Said Dexter the boy genius with the Napoleon Complex!

What happened to my:

(03-27-2014 02:17 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Napoleon Syndrome

?

Though in either case being of average height(5'10")and a fan of a comparable at worst athletic program I'm not really sure how that applies to me, I'm guessing you just thought it sounded good...

Anyhow, I'm still trying to figure out how I'm a hypocrite for things other people said.

Oh boy....Okay, let me make this simple for you, show me one post where you criticized any MTU fan or your administration for making similar comments towards the Sun Belt before the Blue Raider program was invited! I don’t recall you chastising any MTU fans for making similar comments or criticizing the Sun Belt Conference. I'll wait for you response.

Similar comments weren't made because the situations were not similar.

We were a known candidate for known expansion spots, CUSA officials came to our campus and we knew someone was being invited in the coming months and those in the know knew our invite was on the way.

You guys are presumed candidates for the next time CUSA is looking which is not now and may not be for five years or more, it was nearly a decade between the round of invites to UCF, Marshall et al and the most recent invites.

If there had been MT fans looking for an exit that wasn't there, they would have heard about it.

If you can't handle simply being told you're reaching for an exit that isn't there, I don't know what to tell you.
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(03-28-2014 02:47 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-28-2014 12:02 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 06:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 05:51 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 04:23 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Something your very familiar with.

Said Dexter the boy genius with the Napoleon Complex!

What happened to my:

(03-27-2014 02:17 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Napoleon Syndrome

?

Though in either case being of average height(5'10")and a fan of a comparable at worst athletic program I'm not really sure how that applies to me, I'm guessing you just thought it sounded good...

Anyhow, I'm still trying to figure out how I'm a hypocrite for things other people said.

Oh boy....Okay, let me make this simple for you, show me one post where you criticized any MTU fan or your administration for making similar comments towards the Sun Belt before the Blue Raider program was invited! I don’t recall you chastising any MTU fans for making similar comments or criticizing the Sun Belt Conference. I'll wait for you response.

Similar comments weren't made because the situations were not similar.

We were a known candidate for known expansion spots, CUSA officials came to our campus and we knew someone was being invited in the coming months and those in the know knew our invite was on the way.

You guys are presumed candidates for the next time CUSA is looking which is not now and may not be for five years or more, it was nearly a decade between the round of invites to UCF, Marshall et al and the most recent invites.

If there had been MT fans looking for an exit that wasn't there, they would have heard about it.

If you can't handle simply being told you're reaching for an exit that isn't there, I don't know what to tell you.

Way to misdirect and spin it Dexter. In case you haven’t read the articles, UL has been mentioned in a few as a possible candidate regardless of the recent vote. So while MTU was mentioned, your fans and administration actively belly ached and campaigned through the media and on this website. So yes, you are a hypocrite that ignored his own whiners and complainers, taking great pleasure in chastising UL fans on the subject. Now move along Dexter, not everyone values your opinion as much as you do!
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(03-28-2014 08:55 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(03-28-2014 02:47 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-28-2014 12:02 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 06:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 05:51 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Said Dexter the boy genius with the Napoleon Complex!

What happened to my:

(03-27-2014 02:17 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Napoleon Syndrome

?

Though in either case being of average height(5'10")and a fan of a comparable at worst athletic program I'm not really sure how that applies to me, I'm guessing you just thought it sounded good...

Anyhow, I'm still trying to figure out how I'm a hypocrite for things other people said.

Oh boy....Okay, let me make this simple for you, show me one post where you criticized any MTU fan or your administration for making similar comments towards the Sun Belt before the Blue Raider program was invited! I don’t recall you chastising any MTU fans for making similar comments or criticizing the Sun Belt Conference. I'll wait for you response.

Similar comments weren't made because the situations were not similar.

We were a known candidate for known expansion spots, CUSA officials came to our campus and we knew someone was being invited in the coming months and those in the know knew our invite was on the way.

You guys are presumed candidates for the next time CUSA is looking which is not now and may not be for five years or more, it was nearly a decade between the round of invites to UCF, Marshall et al and the most recent invites.

If there had been MT fans looking for an exit that wasn't there, they would have heard about it.

If you can't handle simply being told you're reaching for an exit that isn't there, I don't know what to tell you.

Way to misdirect and spin it Dexter. In case you haven’t read the articles, UL has been mentioned in a few as a possible candidate regardless of the recent vote. So while MTU was mentioned, your fans and administration actively belly ached and campaigned through the media and on this website. So yes, you are a hypocrite that ignored his own whiners and complainers, taking great pleasure in chastising UL fans on the subject. Now move along Dexter, not everyone values your opinion as much as you do!

Good grief, I didn't say you aren't a candidate, I've said on more than one occasion that you definitely are, but again there is no expansion for CUSA at this time, that was not the case for us last year. CUSA is not going to 16, the next time CUSA is raided this conversation can be had, but right now, regardless of if the best course of action for Louisiana is to get out the Sun Belt, even if Louisiana is a slam dunk the next time CUSA is looking, CUSA isn't looking. This time last year they were. I'm not sure how to make it any clearer, I suppose I owe you an apology. Clearly me pointing out that Louisiana fans talking about getting out of the Sun Belt are having a pointless conversation, at this time, has offended your delicate sensibilities and for that I apologize.
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(03-27-2014 11:52 AM)slycat Wrote:  Yeah UL sucked for years and years. Now they had three good seasons and they are too good for the rest. Give me a break. Is CUSA really the step up you think it is?



You are new to the fray. UL has always espoused to want to be in a stronger conference made more critical by the latest defections. So it really is not a rant brought on by recent success.

As bad as the perception is UL football has had very good intertwined with very bad, and failure to get bowls can be blamed on circumstances than anything else.

Cajun basketball has had a fairly long run of bad, but the reality is no coach at UL basketball coaching at least four seasons since the great teams in the late sixties and seventies have failed to go to at least one NCAA tournament.

Baseball and softball have always been consistently good, often excellent, and sometimes great.

Long and short of things UL has not been super, but also not horrible, we are somewhere pretty much where most schools are most of the time.
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(03-27-2014 03:26 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  arkstfan has nailed it. The realignment is slowing and about to stop. No reason for the MAC or CUSA to expand beyond what they have now. Barring some kind of major upheaval among the P5 the 12th spot in the Sun Belt is the last seat at the table.


If that is truly the case it is a very valuable seat, and should not be given to just anybody.
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