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RE: Here are the 2 choices-- how would you vote?
East

App St
Liberty/EKU/JMU
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
USA
Troy

West

ULM
ULL
ArkSt
MSU
Texas State
NMSU (All Sports)

Non football members
Texas Arlington
UALR

Sorry Idaho.

12/14 set up
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RE: Here are the 2 choices-- how would you vote?
(03-27-2014 09:44 AM)Tiguar Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 09:29 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  From my perspective, I think Ark State and ULL are the glue/cement that is keeping the conference together. Actually, I think they drive the bus right now.

A ludicrous assertion. What keeps the conference together is "We really want FBS football"

If all this talk about realignment has illuminated anything for me, it's that the Sun Belt will never be in risk of ceasing to exist(with the exception of a possible merger at some point with someone) because there is no shortage of schools looking to keep/move up to FBS


To clarify, ULL and Ark State are the pivotal votes in any expansion right now. ULL and Ark state will not vote for a JMU/UMASS/Liberty addition.

Don't have votes - Idaho & NMSU

No votes

Texas State
UTA
UALR
ULM
Ark State
ULL


Possible Yes votes

App State
Ga State
Ga Southern
Troy
South Alabama

Troy and USA will not break ranks with Ark State and ULL.
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RE: Here are the 2 choices-- how would you vote?
(03-27-2014 09:59 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  To clarify, ULL and Ark State are the pivotal votes in any expansion right now. ULL and Ark state will not vote for a JMU/UMASS/Liberty addition.

Don't have votes - Idaho & NMSU

No votes
Texas State
UTA
UALR
ULM
Ark State
ULL


Possible Yes votes
App State
Ga State
Ga Southern
Troy
South Alabama

Troy and USA will not break ranks with Ark State and ULL.

I don't think Texas State will break ranks with the Cajuns either. I have nothing official from the school to support this, but that is the feeling I got when speaking to some folks in the administration (to be clear, they never said directly this, but they mentioned several times that the Cajuns and us were very much in agreement on things, leading me to make that statement).
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(03-27-2014 09:44 AM)Tiguar Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 09:29 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  From my perspective, I think Ark State and ULL are the glue/cement that is keeping the conference together. Actually, I think they drive the bus right now.

A ludicrous assertion. What keeps the conference together is "We really want FBS football"

If all this talk about realignment has illuminated anything for me, it's that the Sun Belt will never be in risk of ceasing to exist(with the exception of a possible merger at some point with someone) because there is no shortage of schools looking to keep/move up to FBS

I'm sure the same was said of the WAC at one point in the not so distant past. I don't think the SBC ceasing to exist is as far fetched as you imagine.

I doubt it happens, but things could look very different if another round of realignment starts at the top.
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(03-27-2014 10:02 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'm sure the same was said of the WAC at one point in the not so distant past. I don't think the SBC ceasing to exist is as far fetched as you imagine.

That was never said of the WAC, at least not by people in the know. Every team targeted by the WAC to move up either wasn't interested, or so far from being ready they weren't viable.
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Not concerned about the Sun Belt staying healthy. Only way the SBC will go out of
business if ever members voted to change the name. One of it's strengths is that
we are not overly concerned about market's like some conferences. Partly out of necessity
maybe, but it is refreshing. Having good schools with avid sports fans is more of the
credo. Think that is why the SBC will do well in the coming years.
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(03-27-2014 08:43 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  If we are only going to 12 it appears here are the 2 choices:

1. Bring UMass in as football only and add NMSU all sports.
or
2. Bring in an all sports eastern member. I would assume JMU is first on list and if not them I guess Liberty.

What should the conference do?

Option 1 just mucks things up worse.

As I've said, I'm pro-NMSU all-sports but I'm not an AD trying to control costs so I can do things that help my program get better and paying airlines and air charter companies don't do that. The reality is NMSU is further from the closest full member than the longest trip in the MAC.

We cannot add NMSU as #12 Olympic and use travel partners without splitting at least four of our five in-state pairs.

That leaves Option 2 as the more logical choice.
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(03-27-2014 09:29 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 09:27 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 09:15 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 09:09 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 09:06 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Um...?

I believe that comments indicates how ULL and the 'western' schools feel about JMU.

Yeah, I'm just not sure how "leave" is in anyway an answer to "what should the conference do?"

I'm sure there are a good number of folks who would be glad to see Louisiana leave so they'd no longer have wet blankets like this guy hanging around degrading the conference.

I wonder RaginCajun25, where exactly do you plan on leaving to? Southland?

If they left the conference, there's no guarantee people wouldn't hang around that are no longer in the conference......

From my perspective, I think Ark State and ULL are the glue/cement that is keeping the conference together. Actually, I think they drive the bus right now.

Don't discredit what USA means to AState and Louisiana. Jags leadership has historically been even keeled maybe a touch conservative, easy I-10 trip for the Cajuns, sit in a high value recruiting area for AState, well regarded by the community that hosts a bowl that AState has grown rather fond of as well.
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(03-27-2014 10:13 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 10:02 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'm sure the same was said of the WAC at one point in the not so distant past. I don't think the SBC ceasing to exist is as far fetched as you imagine.

That was never said of the WAC, at least not by people in the know. Every team targeted by the WAC to move up either wasn't interested, or so far from being ready they weren't viable.

You're talking about the WAC at a later point than I am, I remember very well when the WAC was obviously doomed, but there were and still are FCS programs in the WACs footprint that would have viewed joining the WAC much differently were it a conference of ten existing FBS schools attempting to go to 12 or 14 or hell even 8 trying to get back to 10 or 12, but by the time the WAC was approaching these schools seriously the conference was already on life support.

Let's just suppose the top down realignment begins and eventually AAC ends up taking Rice and USM which finally breaks the camel's back for UTEP and they tap UTSA and the two of them head to the MWC. Banowsky finally gets his way and CUSA goes to 16 by taking Arkansas State, Louisiana, South Alabama, Texas State, Georgia State and James Madison.

The Sun Belt is now down to Troy, ULM, Georgia Southern, App and NMSU who has been given full membership out of necessity, Idaho bites the bullet, their program is not sustainable in that conference(and of course UTA and UALR). Outside of Liberty who is desperately seeking any FBS invite, some other FCS schools who were borderline on moving up decide not to make the move to a far flung conference on life support.

Again, I'm not predicting it, but I think there is a doomsday scenario in which schools that appear to have FBS potential and interest in the Sun Belt could decide the move simply isn't worth it. There were programs capable of joining the WAC, they just decided it was a sinking ship not worth saving.
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(03-27-2014 10:35 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 10:13 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 10:02 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'm sure the same was said of the WAC at one point in the not so distant past. I don't think the SBC ceasing to exist is as far fetched as you imagine.

That was never said of the WAC, at least not by people in the know. Every team targeted by the WAC to move up either wasn't interested, or so far from being ready they weren't viable.

You're talking about the WAC at a later point than I am, I remember very well when the WAC was obviously doomed, but there were and still are FCS programs in the WACs footprint that would have viewed joining the WAC much differently were it a conference of ten existing FBS schools attempting to go to 12 or 14 or hell even 8 trying to get back to 10 or 12, but by the time the WAC was approaching these schools seriously the conference was already on life support.

Let's just suppose the top down realignment begins and eventually AAC ends up taking Rice and USM which finally breaks the camel's back for UTEP and they tap UTSA and the two of them head to the MWC. Banowsky finally gets his way and CUSA goes to 16 by taking Arkansas State, Louisiana, South Alabama, Texas State, Georgia State and James Madison.

The Sun Belt is now down to Troy, ULM, Georgia Southern, App and NMSU who has been given full membership out of necessity, Idaho bites the bullet, their program is not sustainable in that conference(and of course UTA and UALR). Outside of Liberty who is desperately seeking any FBS invite, some other FCS schools who were borderline on moving up decide not to make the move to a far flung conference on life support.

Again, I'm not predicting it, but I think there is a doomsday scenario in which schools that appear to have FBS potential and interest in the Sun Belt could decide the move simply isn't worth it. There were programs capable of joining the WAC, they just decided it was a sinking ship not worth saving.

Back 15 years ago the book on the WAC was that MWC would eventually gut the western side, maybe leave a couple western stragglers behind and UTEP, Rice, Tulsa, SMU, La.Tech would remake the league into a southwestern oriented league. SWC REBORN!

The western part has been deemed doomed since the MWC formed.

Only thing that threw conventional wisdom off was the ACC raiding the Big East, who raided C-USA, who raided the eastern flank of the WAC.

Can the Sun Belt die? Absolutely but not as long as AAC is chopping off bits of C-USA and C-USA is chopping off bits of Sun Belt. There are too many schools wanting to move up in the region.

What would kill the Sun Belt would be a catastrophic split of AAC or CUSA, just as losing half of WAC16 made it inevitable that the Big West would go out of business followed later by the WAC.
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