(03-24-2014 10:58 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:33 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:20 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  There is only one reason to keep Liberty out. If that is enough for you then fine but otherwise they fit the bill.

There's actually a few reasons, but that's not the point.

Exactly and many that have been bought upon many threads. While the whole religious/political potential grenade is a problem there is also the matter that they do nothing for MBB which is a need. Another poster bought up the ability to pay their bills has been an ongoing issue and one wonders how stable a private school with a $60M endowment can possibly be. But it doesnt matter because the bottom line is can they get 9 votes? Most think no because they have failed twice and nothing has changed.

I can see where JMU may take ArkStFan's point of view which is what GSU did. Priority became get out of FCS and out of the CAA by any means. Once youre in youre in. Worry about conference affiliation later. Who knows, maybe JMU and MoState take that approach.

When the topic has come up with SEC/ACC with FSU, academic ties between the institutions has always been a key argument.

(03-24-2014 12:32 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:58 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:33 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:20 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  There is only one reason to keep Liberty out. If that is enough for you then fine but otherwise they fit the bill.

There's actually a few reasons, but that's not the point.

Exactly and many that have been bought upon many threads. While the whole religious/political potential grenade is a problem there is also the matter that they do nothing for MBB which is a need. Another poster bought up the ability to pay their bills has been an ongoing issue and one wonders how stable a private school with a $60M endowment can possibly be. But it doesnt matter because the bottom line is can they get 9 votes? Most think no because they have failed twice and nothing has changed.

I can see where JMU may take ArkStFan's point of view which is what GSU did. Priority became get out of FCS and out of the CAA by any means. Once youre in youre in. Worry about conference affiliation later. Who knows, maybe JMU and MoState take that approach.

Please! You did something for basketball this season, but I don't see that Gstate has done much of anything else thus far. Let's not pretend Gstate is years above Liberty, you are not!

Can you actually read?

Thanks

(03-24-2014 12:40 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:58 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:33 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:20 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  There is only one reason to keep Liberty out. If that is enough for you then fine but otherwise they fit the bill.

There's actually a few reasons, but that's not the point.

Exactly and many that have been bought upon many threads. While the whole religious/political potential grenade is a problem there is also the matter that they do nothing for MBB which is a need. Another poster bought up the ability to pay their bills has been an ongoing issue and one wonders how stable a private school with a $60M endowment can possibly be. But it doesnt matter because the bottom line is can they get 9 votes? Most think no because they have failed twice and nothing has changed.

I can see where JMU may take ArkStFan's point of view which is what GSU did. Priority became get out of FCS and out of the CAA by any means. Once youre in youre in. Worry about conference affiliation later. Who knows, maybe JMU and MoState take that approach.

When the topic has come up with SEC/ACC with FSU, academic ties between the institutions has always been a key argument.

Can see that being part of JMU's reservations on simply jumping. But ArkStFan's point is made. You can possibly wait for the invite you want but in the end what if youre still waiting in 4 years. Plus as he said, you make yourself more attractive because youre already FBS.

(03-24-2014 12:32 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:58 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:33 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:20 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  There is only one reason to keep Liberty out. If that is enough for you then fine but otherwise they fit the bill.

There's actually a few reasons, but that's not the point.

Exactly and many that have been bought upon many threads. While the whole religious/political potential grenade is a problem there is also the matter that they do nothing for MBB which is a need. Another poster bought up the ability to pay their bills has been an ongoing issue and one wonders how stable a private school with a $60M endowment can possibly be. But it doesnt matter because the bottom line is can they get 9 votes? Most think no because they have failed twice and nothing has changed.

I can see where JMU may take ArkStFan's point of view which is what GSU did. Priority became get out of FCS and out of the CAA by any means. Once youre in youre in. Worry about conference affiliation later. Who knows, maybe JMU and MoState take that approach.

Please! You did something for basketball this season, but I don't see that Gstate has done much of anything else thus far. Let's not pretend Gstate is years above Liberty, you are not!

I don't see where he was comparing GaSt athletics to Liberty at all. His points, as i see them is that:
1) Liberty adds nothing to MBB, which is where the conference could realize immediate financial gains with a strong addition; and
2) The GaSt chose to take the first FBS offer that came along rather than wait for a dream invitation, something that JMU should also consider.

(03-24-2014 01:00 PM)panama Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 12:32 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:58 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:33 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:20 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  There is only one reason to keep Liberty out. If that is enough for you then fine but otherwise they fit the bill.

There's actually a few reasons, but that's not the point.

Exactly and many that have been bought upon many threads. While the whole religious/political potential grenade is a problem there is also the matter that they do nothing for MBB which is a need. Another poster bought up the ability to pay their bills has been an ongoing issue and one wonders how stable a private school with a $60M endowment can possibly be. But it doesnt matter because the bottom line is can they get 9 votes? Most think no because they have failed twice and nothing has changed.

I can see where JMU may take ArkStFan's point of view which is what GSU did. Priority became get out of FCS and out of the CAA by any means. Once youre in youre in. Worry about conference affiliation later. Who knows, maybe JMU and MoState take that approach.

Please! You did something for basketball this season, but I don't see that Gstate has done much of anything else thus far. Let's not pretend Gstate is years above Liberty, you are not!

Can you actually read?

Thanks

Actually, I read pretty well. And today this is what I read! Sorry this doesn’t fit your delusional view of the Gstate athletic program. I don't care about Liberty, but please stop insulting other programs that are on par with Gstate. Thanks

Baseball RPI
Liberty #36, Georgia State #159
Football RPI
Liberty #158, Georgia State #142
MBB
Liberty #307, Georgia State #76
WBB
Liberty #136, Georgia State #267

(03-24-2014 10:55 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:47 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  At such a great school like JMU, one so similar to App and so close geographically, it would be a shame to see their short-sighted leadership squander their only FBS opportunity.

It's better for CAA and FCS if they remain FCS. I've no problem with shutting the door for them if they lack the courage to choose to act by moving or repudiating the idea of moving.

I think conference commissioners know the lay of the land pretty well, and would know if JMU was sitting on an offer from another conference. Because they are still on our radar, I'd say they have no offers. So I agree that it is may be a decision to go or not go FBS. All the other message board banter about academics and geography is chaff. I think they lack resolve at this point to commit to FBS unless they get the most optimal solution... Both AppState and Georgia Southern committed to the FBS goal first... That is the difference between their situation ours last year.

I do think it is high time to smoke them out and get a "go-no go" from them so that we can move on. If they want to go FBS you take the invite that's offered, things may look a lot different a few years from now, but you will be looking at it as an FBS member and can make another move when or if the time comes.

(03-24-2014 01:42 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 01:00 PM)panama Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 12:32 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:58 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:33 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  There's actually a few reasons, but that's not the point.

Exactly and many that have been bought upon many threads. While the whole religious/political potential grenade is a problem there is also the matter that they do nothing for MBB which is a need. Another poster bought up the ability to pay their bills has been an ongoing issue and one wonders how stable a private school with a $60M endowment can possibly be. But it doesnt matter because the bottom line is can they get 9 votes? Most think no because they have failed twice and nothing has changed.

I can see where JMU may take ArkStFan's point of view which is what GSU did. Priority became get out of FCS and out of the CAA by any means. Once youre in youre in. Worry about conference affiliation later. Who knows, maybe JMU and MoState take that approach.

Please! You did something for basketball this season, but I don't see that Gstate has done much of anything else thus far. Let's not pretend Gstate is years above Liberty, you are not!

Can you actually read?

Thanks

Actually, I read pretty well. And today this is what I read! Sorry this doesn’t fit your delusional view of the Gstate athletic program. I don't care about Liberty, but please stop insulting other programs that are on par with Gstate. Thanks

Baseball RPI
Liberty #36, Georgia State #159
Football RPI
Liberty #158, Georgia State #142
MBB
Liberty #307, Georgia State #76
WBB
Liberty #136, Georgia State #267

Der..what?


I can see that every time you see Georgia State you become aroused but try and control yourself and carefully read what I posted.

SBC football is fine so that isnt a reason to add anyone.

We desperately need help on the MBB side and they in fact do not help us there.

Stop me where I am wrong here...

They are private school with a $60M endowment who allegedly have had a long history of financial issues. For comparison's sake Mercer has an endowment of $213M. Furman's is $592M. Samford's is $249M. Stetson's is $144M. Why is this important? Because if they have trouble raising endowment funds from donors what makes us think athletic donations are not an issue. It's at the minimum something to keep in mind.