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RE: Sun Belt Conference votes to expand
(03-21-2014 04:54 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  It is hard to take comments like this seriously....It is hard for me to comprehend how EKU is even still in the discussion. As much as some of the SBC President's do not like Liberty, if they have even medicore logical reasoning skills they can see that EKU is nowhere near ready for FBS football.

REV...are you actually serious when you say that EKU would be a better option for the SBC than Liberty? How can that be justified? I want facts here.. I want numbers. I want logic and sound reasoning. Put all ill feelings aside and tell me exactly how EKU would be a better fit than Liberty for the SBC. Ready, go -

It's a simple deal: EKU could get the votes, while Liberty did not.

Make no mistake: EKU is not ready this year. Would be a monumental task for them to be ready next year. But that's the beauty. We are not required to add someone today. If we find someone we like more than Liberty (or someone that can get the votes, more to the point), then we have the luxury of waiting for them. We could easily add them to the conference for all except football, and let the football team grow for 2-3 years and let them join after that.
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RE: Sun Belt Conference votes to expand
(03-21-2014 09:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 04:54 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  It is hard to take comments like this seriously....It is hard for me to comprehend how EKU is even still in the discussion. As much as some of the SBC President's do not like Liberty, if they have even medicore logical reasoning skills they can see that EKU is nowhere near ready for FBS football.

REV...are you actually serious when you say that EKU would be a better option for the SBC than Liberty? How can that be justified? I want facts here.. I want numbers. I want logic and sound reasoning. Put all ill feelings aside and tell me exactly how EKU would be a better fit than Liberty for the SBC. Ready, go -

It's a simple deal: EKU could get the votes, while Liberty did not.

Make no mistake: EKU is not ready this year. Would be a monumental task for them to be ready next year. But that's the beauty. We are not required to add someone today. If we find someone we like more than Liberty (or someone that can get the votes, more to the point), then we have the luxury of waiting for them. We could easily add them to the conference for all except football, and let the football team grow for 2-3 years and let them join after that.

I don't think EKU can get the votes this year and not sure anyone not tied to EKU is terribly convinced they can this year.
03-21-2014 10:09 PM
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RE: Sun Belt Conference votes to expand
Probably Missouri St., Liberty and JMU are in play here--- that would be my guess.
03-21-2014 10:11 PM
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RE: Sun Belt Conference votes to expand
(03-21-2014 09:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 04:54 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  It is hard to take comments like this seriously....It is hard for me to comprehend how EKU is even still in the discussion. As much as some of the SBC President's do not like Liberty, if they have even medicore logical reasoning skills they can see that EKU is nowhere near ready for FBS football.

REV...are you actually serious when you say that EKU would be a better option for the SBC than Liberty? How can that be justified? I want facts here.. I want numbers. I want logic and sound reasoning. Put all ill feelings aside and tell me exactly how EKU would be a better fit than Liberty for the SBC. Ready, go -

It's a simple deal: EKU could get the votes, while Liberty did not.

Make no mistake: EKU is not ready this year. Would be a monumental task for them to be ready next year. But that's the beauty. We are not required to add someone today. If we find someone we like more than Liberty (or someone that can get the votes, more to the point), then we have the luxury of waiting for them. We could easily add them to the conference for all except football, and let the football team grow for 2-3 years and let them join after that.

Rev you make comments like you know exactly how each Pres. is going to vote. To say EKU has the votes? you have no clue is that's true! Who knows if Liberty was voted on last year or not, but either way that's a year ago and things can change in a year.
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RE: Sun Belt Conference votes to expand
Since the member need is in the East I suspect the SBC will add in the East.

What about Chattanooga olympic sports and Liberty FB Only? That would serve to keep the footprint tight in olympic sports while also picking up that 12th school in football. Liberty FB Only might sit better with presidents than an all sport invite.

I know Missouri State probably brings the most to the table but they aren't going to help balance out the Eastern schools.
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(03-21-2014 10:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Since the member need is in the East I suspect the SBC will add in the East.

What about Chattanooga olympic sports and Liberty FB Only? That would serve to keep the footprint tight in olympic sports while also picking up that 12th school in football. Liberty FB Only might sit better with presidents than an all sport invite.

I know Missouri State probably brings the most to the table but they aren't going to help balance out the Eastern schools.

UTC is not interested in moving.

This balance out in the East is overblown. App wants a travel partner...but App probably isn't going to get what they want because the rest of us would prefer a strong program.
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(03-21-2014 10:30 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Rev you make comments like you know exactly how each Pres. is going to vote. To say EKU has the votes? you have no clue is that's true! Who knows if Liberty was voted on last year or not, but either way that's a year ago and things can change in a year.

My statements are based on observation, and simple deductions.

Let's examine, shall we?

- Liberty has almost been BEGGING the Sun Belt for an invite for two years.
- Benson has been SALIVATING at having Liberty in for two years.
- We had a "need" for a 12th team last year.
You're right.... There probably wasn't a vote on Liberty last year.

Further, EKU has a better chance at getting the votes to get in (assuming their plan to move is viable) than Liberty, by virtue that they are NOT Liberty.

It's 100% clear that Liberty, without it's political or private institution implications is a great fit. Money to burn, great facilities, a desire to be here, even a location. Liberty even has the endorsement of the conference commissioner. So it's clearly not a concern about the athletic abilities (unless it's been the lack of performance in playoffs for football, but that's unlikely as they invited us), but something else.

That something else? It's something that EKU doesn't have to overcome.
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RE: Sun Belt Conference votes to expand
(03-21-2014 10:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:30 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Rev you make comments like you know exactly how each Pres. is going to vote. To say EKU has the votes? you have no clue is that's true! Who knows if Liberty was voted on last year or not, but either way that's a year ago and things can change in a year.

My statements are based on observation, and simple deductions.

Let's examine, shall we?

- Liberty has almost been BEGGING the Sun Belt for an invite for two years.
- Benson has been SALIVATING at having Liberty in for two years.
- We had a "need" for a 12th team last year.
You're right.... There probably wasn't a vote on Liberty last year.

Further, EKU has a better chance at getting the votes to get in (assuming their plan to move is viable) than Liberty, by virtue that they are NOT Liberty.

It's 100% clear that Liberty, without it's political or private institution implications is a great fit. Money to burn, great facilities, a desire to be here, even a location. Liberty even has the endorsement of the conference commissioner. So it's clearly not a concern about the athletic abilities (unless it's been the lack of performance in playoffs for football, but that's unlikely as they invited us), but something else.

That something else? It's something that EKU doesn't have to overcome.

If it comes down to EKU and Liberty...Liberty's odds get a lot better simply because of how far off EKU is.

What Liberty cannot have happen is Missouri State or JMU declare interest, My guess would be the same scenario falls under UTC as well.
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(03-21-2014 10:43 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Since the member need is in the East I suspect the SBC will add in the East.

What about Chattanooga olympic sports and Liberty FB Only? That would serve to keep the footprint tight in olympic sports while also picking up that 12th school in football. Liberty FB Only might sit better with presidents than an all sport invite.

I know Missouri State probably brings the most to the table but they aren't going to help balance out the Eastern schools.

UTC is not interested in moving.

This balance out in the East is overblown. App wants a travel partner...but App probably isn't going to get what they want because the rest of us would prefer a strong program.

We spent 40 years in the SoCon. We're used to it.
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(03-21-2014 10:52 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:43 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Since the member need is in the East I suspect the SBC will add in the East.

What about Chattanooga olympic sports and Liberty FB Only? That would serve to keep the footprint tight in olympic sports while also picking up that 12th school in football. Liberty FB Only might sit better with presidents than an all sport invite.

I know Missouri State probably brings the most to the table but they aren't going to help balance out the Eastern schools.

UTC is not interested in moving.

This balance out in the East is overblown. App wants a travel partner...but App probably isn't going to get what they want because the rest of us would prefer a strong program.

We spent 40 years in the SoCon. We're used to it.

Its nothing against you guys. If a UTC or JMU was ready and willing, this wouldn't be a discussion. The problem is they are not, so our options are not exactly the greatest in the world. Meanwhile, you've got a West team with strong Olympic sports flirting with the SBC after snubbing our advances for years.

It changes things.
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