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(03-16-2014 02:39 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 02:22 PM)Crazier Wrote:  I'll go ahead and set the bar lower and say we don't get past the round of 64. It's more entertaining watching Coach Fuente getting full effort out of his unranked, 2, and 3 players than watching Coach Pastner and his 4 and 5 star players play like they started playing organized basketball 2 days ago.

Read this board after our last football game when we got crushed. Not many saying good things about Justin then.

Signing off until we win our first game in tourney. Then will remind you young folks to have a little perspective. I was not at all pleased with last game vs UConn. Looked horrible but have been around basketball long enough to know those things happen. Is Coach K an imposter, stupid, just a recruiter? Look up his bad losses this year. Duke looked as bad as we did when they got hammered by a much worst team-Wake Forest.

Yep.

(03-16-2014 01:52 PM)450bench Wrote:  I love the Tigers and the university. I love the tradition and am a graduate of the school. I believe that there is talent on the team to win the entire thing. I believe that Josh's inability to put the structure in place on both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball and his poor use of personnel will prevent this team from advancing very far in this tournament. I believe that this will be the pattern as long as he is the head coach here. My attitude has gone from excitement to cynicism and apathy and I believe that that is really sad.

I believe that just making the tournament is not good enough and I believe with Pastner at the helm, we will be great on paper and underachievers on the floor. Lastly,I believe in raising expectations not settling for high level mediocrity and disappointment.

My thought exactly!!


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Everybody is good. They all run good stuff. They are all well coached. If we just make shots then I think we can hug 6 wins. But we have to beat elite teams and we can't beat elite teams if we S.T.I.N.K!!!!

Even Joe thinks it'll take a miracle.

(03-16-2014 02:37 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 02:28 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  [qu ='tigers0830' pid='10553602' dateline='1394997293']

(03-16-2014 02:06 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:51 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:45 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  This is the whole problem. Most people on this board have no idea that many other teams have great players. Two rounds of the upcoming NBA draft will come and go without any Tigers names being called, yet somehow we have the talent to win the championship? It does not make sense.

What we have is a solid team of 4 year players that can be the foundation to a championship caliber team. But you have to add in a couple of NBA talents to the roster to get there, and we don't have that on this team. That is the next step for this program, attracting this caliber of player to play here.

So butler web been they went to back to back championship games had nba players?
Don't mention Gordon Heyward dude has been a bust so far in the nba. Talent is talent whether it's nba caliber or not. There are other factors that go into play when it comes to the NBA. For example, size, can they shoot, can they defend their position, what position, etc..

The whole you need NBA players is just something people put out there

Heyward is very good-averaging 16 pts 6 reb 5 assist this year for Utah. BUST?


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Yea bust..For as good as he was in college he has been disappointing so far in the nba.

We could argue whether he is a bust or not all day and get no where, but the fact is you don't need nba players to win in the ncaa tourney that had been proven time and time again. Talent is talent is talent

To get to where you want to go almost always takes an NBA player or two. Have you ever watched an NBA game-to say Heyward is a bust after seeing his stats is one of the stupidest statements I have read on this board and that is saying a lot.

You point out one season. Yea he is having a good season now after a slow start, but he is averaging only 10 pts so far in his caree. I watch a ton of nba and Hayward hasn't come anywhere close to the guy he was in college.

Now back to the you need nba players. So George Mason had NBA the year they went to the final four? VCU had nba guys when they went? The whole you need nba guys is just stupid
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Can you read? I said ALMOST always. If you took final four teams from 1985 thru last year 95% would have an NBA player guessing 70% had 2 or more.

(03-16-2014 02:47 PM)Mimi Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:52 PM)450bench Wrote:  My attitude has gone from excitement to cynicism and apathy and I believe that that is really sad.

Agree. It is sad.

Not so apathetic that you avoid a Memphis fan message board- but yes- sad.

You may miss some great games this week.

I'll probably be at the game(s) this week like I usually am, schedule permitting. As a fan, no better and no worse than you, I'm immensely disappointed. I used to be soooo much more devastated by a loss. Now, it's not expected but it's not surprising. I hate having that attitude, but with this regime, it's reality. That's the sad part to me.

(03-16-2014 01:59 PM)cardfan500 Wrote:  No, and I don't think it's even close. I think our fan base WAY overestimates our talent level, and I don't believe we have a coach that could make a deep tourney run even if we had the talent.

Fortunately for us, you have nothing to do with the program.

(03-16-2014 02:14 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 02:06 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:51 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:45 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:29 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  good enough talent wise? probably

How many NBA players do all you imbeciles think we have on this team?
Maybe one if he develops physically and works hard.

This is the whole problem. Most people on this board have no idea that many other teams have great players. Two rounds of the upcoming NBA draft will come and go without any Tigers names being called, yet somehow we have the talent to win the championship? It does not make sense.

What we have is a solid team of 4 year players that can be the foundation to a championship caliber team. But you have to add in a couple of NBA talents to the roster to get there, and we don't have that on this team. That is the next step for this program, attracting this caliber of player to play here.

So butler web been they went to back to back championship games had nba players?
Don't mention Gordon Heyward dude has been a bust so far in the nba. Talent is talent whether it's nba caliber or not. There are other factors that go into play when it comes to the NBA. For example, size, can they shoot, can they defend their position, what position, etc..

The whole you need NBA players is just something people put out there

Heyward is very good-averaging 16 pts 6 reb 5 assist this year for Utah. BUST?


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Yea bust..For as good as he was in college he has been disappointing so far in the nba.

We could argue whether he is a bust or not all day and get no where, but the fact is you don't need nba players to win in the ncaa tourney that had been proven time and time again. Talent is talent is talent

First of all, i didnt say you had to have NBA superstars on your team to win the title, just NBA players. Heyward is an NBA player, period.

Second, yes you can win in the NCAA tournament without NBA players. But it is extremely hard to win 6 in a row. Eventually you are going to run up against a team with one or more Napier type players that you can't stop. Michigan State 2008 is a good example of this. They had a good collection of good talent, they were big, and they were well coached. But they ran up against NBA talent and they could not compete.

So this Tiger team has a chance to be the best team in Tiger history? I just don't see it. Hope I'm wrong

(03-16-2014 02:37 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 02:28 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  [qu ='tigers0830' pid='10553602' dateline='1394997293']

(03-16-2014 02:06 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:51 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:45 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  This is the whole problem. Most people on this board have no idea that many other teams have great players. Two rounds of the upcoming NBA draft will come and go without any Tigers names being called, yet somehow we have the talent to win the championship? It does not make sense.

What we have is a solid team of 4 year players that can be the foundation to a championship caliber team. But you have to add in a couple of NBA talents to the roster to get there, and we don't have that on this team. That is the next step for this program, attracting this caliber of player to play here.

So butler web been they went to back to back championship games had nba players?
Don't mention Gordon Heyward dude has been a bust so far in the nba. Talent is talent whether it's nba caliber or not. There are other factors that go into play when it comes to the NBA. For example, size, can they shoot, can they defend their position, what position, etc..

The whole you need NBA players is just something people put out there

Heyward is very good-averaging 16 pts 6 reb 5 assist this year for Utah. BUST?


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Yea bust..For as good as he was in college he has been disappointing so far in the nba.

We could argue whether he is a bust or not all day and get no where, but the fact is you don't need nba players to win in the ncaa tourney that had been proven time and time again. Talent is talent is talent

To get to where you want to go almost always takes an NBA player or two. Have you ever watched an NBA game-to say Heyward is a bust after seeing his stats is one of the stupidest statements I have read on this board and that is saying a lot.

You point out one season. Yea he is having a good season now after a slow start, but he is averaging only 10 pts so far in his caree. I watch a ton of nba and Hayward hasn't come anywhere close to the guy he was in college.

Now back to the you need nba players. So George Mason had NBA the year they went to the final four? VCU had nba guys when they went? The whole you need nba guys is just stupid
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Those teams beat incredible odds. That is what made their stories so great, and why to this day we remember their names so well. I'd rather try to win 6 with NBA talent than try to duplicate what VCU and George Mason did with that level of talent,

I think the matchups have to go our way, but yeah, I think anything's possible with this Tigers team. Every team on their way to a NC has to be good and play well, but they also need a little luck to fall their way.

I think we have the talent to make a deep run. I'm not sure we have the chemistry, desire or focus. Can we win it all? Doubt it as we are not strong enough inside but with a good draw and a little luck we could make a decent run. I'm not really expecting it to happen. Of course if our guards came out of their 3 point shooting funk, we quit making unforced turnovers, made our fts, we might win a few games. Throw out the UConn debacle and statistically if I'm not mistaken we outplayed our last few opponents, in those games we dropped we really beat ourselves. I'm not sure what happened, after playing so well at Florida, getting screwed a couple of times by the officials, this team somewhere lost its swagger. I wish CJP would go all Chuck Norris on the officials, his players might just respond and give us a chance to make a run. We need to channel our inner dawg, maybe if Paz would show his bad a$$ side, just a little bit, theses players would too. We all look like we are practicing to star in a new video of We Are The World instead of make a NCAA run.

(03-16-2014 01:29 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:08 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  good enough talent wise? probably

disciplined and determined enough to fight through the ups and downs for 6 games? probably not

good enough talent wise? probably

How many NBA players do all you imbeciles think we have on this team?
Maybe one if he develops physically and works hard.

NBA players don't make a great college team.

IF they come to play ... they can cause trouble for anyone. Have to hit shots. They're never going to lock anyone down though. That's a "want to" kind of thing and we just don't have it. No glory in defense ... just sweat.

Yes, we can win it but it will take some off nights from some opponents and, a high shooting % for the Tigers.

(03-16-2014 03:46 PM)madtiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:29 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:08 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  good enough talent wise? probably

disciplined and determined enough to fight through the ups and downs for 6 games? probably not

good enough talent wise? probably

How many NBA players do all you imbeciles think we have on this team?
Maybe one if he develops physically and works hard.

NBA players don't make a great college team.

You need a mix. It's rare that you win big with no NBA talent, and its rare that you win big with only NBA talent and no 4 year players (as Kentucky has found out).

(03-16-2014 04:05 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 03:46 PM)madtiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:29 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:08 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  good enough talent wise? probably

disciplined and determined enough to fight through the ups and downs for 6 games? probably not

good enough talent wise? probably

How many NBA players do all you imbeciles think we have on this team?
Maybe one if he develops physically and works hard.

NBA players don't make a great college team.

You need a mix. It's rare that you win big with no NBA talent, and its rare that you win big with only NBA talent and no 4 year players (as Kentucky has found out).

Agreed. You have to have some special talent to make a big run. Our 2008 team had an All-American (CDR) and a future rookie of the year and MVP in the NBA. Our better NCAA teams all had that "special" talent. Keith Lee was not much in the NBA but was a 4 yr All-American.

I don't see that talent on this team. Let 's hope they surprise me.

(03-16-2014 03:04 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 02:14 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 02:06 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:51 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 01:45 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  This is the whole problem. Most people on this board have no idea that many other teams have great players. Two rounds of the upcoming NBA draft will come and go without any Tigers names being called, yet somehow we have the talent to win the championship? It does not make sense.

What we have is a solid team of 4 year players that can be the foundation to a championship caliber team. But you have to add in a couple of NBA talents to the roster to get there, and we don't have that on this team. That is the next step for this program, attracting this caliber of player to play here.

So butler web been they went to back to back championship games had nba players?
Don't mention Gordon Heyward dude has been a bust so far in the nba. Talent is talent whether it's nba caliber or not. There are other factors that go into play when it comes to the NBA. For example, size, can they shoot, can they defend their position, what position, etc..

The whole you need NBA players is just something people put out there

Heyward is very good-averaging 16 pts 6 reb 5 assist this year for Utah. BUST?


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Yea bust..For as good as he was in college he has been disappointing so far in the nba.

We could argue whether he is a bust or not all day and get no where, but the fact is you don't need nba players to win in the ncaa tourney that had been proven time and time again. Talent is talent is talent

First of all, i didnt say you had to have NBA superstars on your team to win the title, just NBA players. Heyward is an NBA player, period.

Second, yes you can win in the NCAA tournament without NBA players. But it is extremely hard to win 6 in a row. Eventually you are going to run up against a team with one or more Napier type players that you can't stop. Michigan State 2008 is a good example of this. They had a good collection of good talent, they were big, and they were well coached. But they ran up against NBA talent and they could not compete.

This Gordon Hayward NBA thing has always stuck in my craw: his numbers this year (even better that last as I expected):

20 GORDON HAYWARD SG
UTAH JAZZ
FANTASY STATS
OWN% START%
100% 93%
KEY STATS
GP MIN/G PPG REB/G AST/G FG %
4 36.0 18.8 7.2 5.2 48.1

Not bad for a NBA bust!

(03-16-2014 01:14 PM)tigerbmw Wrote:  They check out too much to stay focused and intense for 6 games. 5 - 10 minutes of strong play each half won't cut it. I do believe they have the talent though.

They who? Its practically a whole new team. I'm just saying.