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RE: Basketball tourney attendance
(03-14-2014 10:02 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yes I realize high school sports are important with people who have kids invovled I get it....Just seemed silly to me Cajun fans listing 4 excuses on why their fans cannot travel 2 hours to a one and done basketball tournament with a future NBA PG...I am not talking about the Cajuns brining 5k fans, was just saying you woudl think they could get 1k for a tournament game they are relatively close to......WKU has been the Memphis of this conf. in basketball and the last 10 years we have had 0 tournaments anywhere close to BG...Memphis hosts their tournament every season and did in CUSA too.....YOur hub of basketball and moneymaker of the sport, you would think could get a tournament at least in Biringham or Huntsville or somewhere even remotley close to where the fans that care about the sport are....SB has been backwards for years on this.....Just frustrated is all that a lot of WKU fans do not have the money or time to take off to travel 11 hours eveyr season for a conf. tournament no one cares about besides WKU.....I am not saying WKU has perfect attend, but I bet a tournament we were in 2 hours away, our excuses would not be we have a womens softball game to attend too that is on the road, so we cannot come to a one and done basketball tournament in Louisvillle....

Your arguments and frustration are understandable but in the same light, a Cajun fan gave you logical reasons why you shouldn't expect a huge turnout of Cajun fans in New Orleans for the tournament. Now, if the Cajuns can win tonight, and knock you guys off tomorrow night, you'll probably see a decent Cajun crowd on Sunday though I'm sure you're not hoping that that's the case.
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(03-14-2014 10:02 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 09:45 AM)Jacque Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 07:31 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Hard to believe regular season chick softball and baseball in which they play 50 games is the excuse of not going to a basketball tournament? New Orleans did not deserve the tournament and just proves the point the tournament should have been held close to the only school that cares about basketball....So glad CUSA as least has a few fan bases and programs who do not put chicks softball and baseball over a real sport like basketball....That is why the Sun Belt will never be good at basketball and will hurt the conf. no matter what football does....Sun Belt is a chicks softball and baseball conference...A shame considering where the Sun Belt was in the mid 80's......

I am sorry that the entire SBcC does not feel that the sun rises and sets based upon basketball. I am not sure why you feel that basketball is the only "real" sport. Maybe because it is the only sport that schools from KY have been consistently good at.
And for a school that believes that basketball is the only sport, it amazes me that the rabid basketball fans of South Central KY can not fill Diddle every night.
To expect parents to watch a college tournament game instead of watching their children or their children's alma mater compete in a win or go home high school tournament game is ludicrous.
I know when BG, SW or GW are playing big home games the attendance of WKU games is impacted (and that is during the regular season) which makes your rant even more ludicrous.
Some people like other sports better than basketball. That is not a crime. Personally, I prefer football, which makes the pathetic attendance at WKU football games if either 1) UK is playing at the same time or 2) the temperature drops below 50 degrees, hard to endure.
I also enjoy baseball, but apparently not many other BG residents do, as attendance is not what it should be for that sport either.
UL draws very well for football, baseball and softball. WKU draws pretty well for men's basketball.
Personal sports preferences aside, WKU fans do not have the right to question the attendance numbers of other SBC fans, particularly when Diddle is not filled to near its capacity on a regular basis.
I know that I will soon be blasted and banned from WKU fandom, but so be it.

Yes I realize high school sports are important with people who have kids invovled I get it....Just seemed silly to me Cajun fans listing 4 excuses on why their fans cannot travel 2 hours to a one and done basketball tournament with a future NBA PG...I am not talking about the Cajuns brining 5k fans, was just saying you woudl think they could get 1k for a tournament game they are relatively close to......WKU has been the Memphis of this conf. in basketball and the last 10 years we have had 0 tournaments anywhere close to BG...Memphis hosts their tournament every season and did in CUSA too.....YOur hub of basketball and moneymaker of the sport, you would think could get a tournament at least in Biringham or Huntsville or somewhere even remotley close to where the fans that care about the sport are....SB has been backwards for years on this.....Just frustrated is all that a lot of WKU fans do not have the money or time to take off to travel 11 hours eveyr season for a conf. tournament no one cares about besides WKU.....I am not saying WKU has perfect attend, but I bet a tournament we were in 2 hours away, our excuses would not be we have a womens softball game to attend too that is on the road, so we cannot come to a one and done basketball tournament in Louisvillle....

Here is the problem with your argument.

1. There is no way any Basketball coach would agree to play the tournament in Bowling Green. No one wants to make the tournament any easier for WKU. Attendance be darned.

2. Places like Nashville, Memphis, and Birmingham. Places that WKU insisted the tournament be played at, wanted nothing to do with us. Birmingham has no SBC teams in the market. Nashville decided that MTSU and WKU's crowds didn't make the tourney a money maker. And there is no way Memphis would ever host the Sun Belt. The University of Memphis saw to that.

3. That meant the SBC had to look at the smaller towns. Places that didn't have large arenas, but had enough, and would promote the Tourney. Hot Springs won that bet. And despite the fact that WKU hated Hot Springs because it wasn't convenient for their fans. Hot Springs worked hard for the tournament and made a big enough deal about it that there was at least some local interest in the later rounds, despite neither Arkansas school playing well most years. Last year, the SBC Tournament and High School State Finals we4re supposed to be in Hot Springs the same week, and the High School Tournament is the one that got moved. Despite the fact that attendance for that game is ultimately higher than for the SBC Tournament.

The Tournament was moved to New Orleans at WKU's insistence. Your President and AD moaned about wanting a tourney game in a big city. A Big City that is only accommodating us because our league offices are in town, and because we moved at the last minute, we are locked out of downtown hotels and forced to play at a Southland Conference Arena because of different conventions in town.

Then you get upset because Cajun fans are not huge basketball fans and would rather follow baseball or softball (Both highly ranked sports in Lafayette) Or follow their kid's High school play in a State Championship game rather than watch the Cajuns figure out yet another way to lose in the tournament, like they and stAte have done for each of the last 7 years?

Those are impossible standards. I hope you enjoy next year's CUSA Tournament live from Scenic El Paso. I hear Ciudad De Juarez is really hopping this time of year.
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I thought the point of moving to New Orleans was to cut cost on putting on the tournament. The league office is located in New Orleans so that kind of makes sense. Does anyone know how much New Orleans bid to host? To me, it seems like the conference has to do whatever it can to get a bid that will: 1. cover the costs of the tournament; 2. potentially offsets some of the costs for schools to attend the tournament; 3. hopefully makes a little additional $$. I doubt we would ever get to 3. I think that is a good model for picking a site. I would also be open to a non-nuetral site being selected. It would be better if it was centrally located in a city with better travel accomodations, but if stAte wanted to host in Jonesboro and made the highest offer then great. Same for USA, UL, UALR or whoever.

Today on the radio, Brady said they rushed it and the hotels and accomodations were all screwed up due to a big convention in town. He said the tournament should be for the fans first and the team second.
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(03-14-2014 11:47 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  I thought the point of moving to New Orleans was to cut cost on putting on the tournament. The league office is located in New Orleans so that kind of makes sense. Does anyone know how much New Orleans bid to host? To me, it seems like the conference has to do whatever it can to get a bid that will: 1. cover the costs of the tournament; 2. potentially offsets some of the costs for schools to attend the tournament; 3. hopefully makes a little additional $$. I doubt we would ever get to 3. I think that is a good model for picking a site. I would also be open to a non-nuetral site being selected. It would be better if it was centrally located in a city with better travel accomodations, but if stAte wanted to host in Jonesboro and made the highest offer then great. Same for USA, UL, UALR or whoever.

Today on the radio, Brady said they rushed it and the hotels and accomodations were all screwed up due to a big convention in town. He said the tournament should be for the fans first and the team second.

ESPN dictates the date and time of the final, you work back from there. New Orleans isn't turning down a convention of 30,000 surgeons to help us out.
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(03-14-2014 11:04 AM)Jacque Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 10:02 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 09:45 AM)Jacque Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 07:31 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Hard to believe regular season chick softball and baseball in which they play 50 games is the excuse of not going to a basketball tournament? New Orleans did not deserve the tournament and just proves the point the tournament should have been held close to the only school that cares about basketball....So glad CUSA as least has a few fan bases and programs who do not put chicks softball and baseball over a real sport like basketball....That is why the Sun Belt will never be good at basketball and will hurt the conf. no matter what football does....Sun Belt is a chicks softball and baseball conference...A shame considering where the Sun Belt was in the mid 80's......

I am sorry that the entire SBcC does not feel that the sun rises and sets based upon basketball. I am not sure why you feel that basketball is the only "real" sport. Maybe because it is the only sport that schools from KY have been consistently good at.
And for a school that believes that basketball is the only sport, it amazes me that the rabid basketball fans of South Central KY can not fill Diddle every night.
To expect parents to watch a college tournament game instead of watching their children or their children's alma mater compete in a win or go home high school tournament game is ludicrous.
I know when BG, SW or GW are playing big home games the attendance of WKU games is impacted (and that is during the regular season) which makes your rant even more ludicrous.
Some people like other sports better than basketball. That is not a crime. Personally, I prefer football, which makes the pathetic attendance at WKU football games if either 1) UK is playing at the same time or 2) the temperature drops below 50 degrees, hard to endure.
I also enjoy baseball, but apparently not many other BG residents do, as attendance is not what it should be for that sport either.
UL draws very well for football, baseball and softball. WKU draws pretty well for men's basketball.
Personal sports preferences aside, WKU fans do not have the right to question the attendance numbers of other SBC fans, particularly when Diddle is not filled to near its capacity on a regular basis.
I know that I will soon be blasted and banned from WKU fandom, but so be it.

Yes I realize high school sports are important with people who have kids invovled I get it....Just seemed silly to me Cajun fans listing 4 excuses on why their fans cannot travel 2 hours to a one and done basketball tournament with a future NBA PG...I am not talking about the Cajuns brining 5k fans, was just saying you woudl think they could get 1k for a tournament game they are relatively close to......WKU has been the Memphis of this conf. in basketball and the last 10 years we have had 0 tournaments anywhere close to BG...Memphis hosts their tournament every season and did in CUSA too.....YOur hub of basketball and moneymaker of the sport, you would think could get a tournament at least in Biringham or Huntsville or somewhere even remotley close to where the fans that care about the sport are....SB has been backwards for years on this.....Just frustrated is all that a lot of WKU fans do not have the money or time to take off to travel 11 hours eveyr season for a conf. tournament no one cares about besides WKU.....I am not saying WKU has perfect attend, but I bet a tournament we were in 2 hours away, our excuses would not be we have a womens softball game to attend too that is on the road, so we cannot come to a one and done basketball tournament in Louisvillle....

I understand your pain. Basketball is very important to you and you are frustrated that the rest of the SBC fanbase and its administration do not feel the same.
I feel the same about football in that I get frustrated with the mediocre support that WKU football receives locally and am especially perturbed by the BG natives who attended WKU and would still rather watch UK football, either on TV or in Lexington, than attend a WKU home game.
I apologize for going off on you like I did.
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Yes I agree on your point there.....What has UK ever done in football to have a following like they do in BG? I understand basketball, but football? Come on Man! Their program has been a joke for 40+years...If people in BG would wake up and realize we have a program in WKU that is already more sucessful than the blue has ever been in football or will continue to be in football...Drives me nuts too, so I feel your pain...But I compare UK football to welfare, their grandparents were on it, their parents, etc, its a cycle of life to these Big BLue people....

Its actually better living in Lexington vs BG and than seeing half oF BG blue, because at least in Lexington people live here in the town UK Plays and can point to a map to locate Lexington unlike most in BG.....

As far as Cajun fan...I am positive womens softball will never earn your school respect no mater how many World Series you are in and even close to the noterity like a Sweet 16 has done for WKU and conference...if you fail to realize that while taking shots at WKU's basketbal'sl program than I feel bad for you...
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(03-14-2014 11:41 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 10:02 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 09:45 AM)Jacque Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 07:31 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Hard to believe regular season chick softball and baseball in which they play 50 games is the excuse of not going to a basketball tournament? New Orleans did not deserve the tournament and just proves the point the tournament should have been held close to the only school that cares about basketball....So glad CUSA as least has a few fan bases and programs who do not put chicks softball and baseball over a real sport like basketball....That is why the Sun Belt will never be good at basketball and will hurt the conf. no matter what football does....Sun Belt is a chicks softball and baseball conference...A shame considering where the Sun Belt was in the mid 80's......

I am sorry that the entire SBcC does not feel that the sun rises and sets based upon basketball. I am not sure why you feel that basketball is the only "real" sport. Maybe because it is the only sport that schools from KY have been consistently good at.
And for a school that believes that basketball is the only sport, it amazes me that the rabid basketball fans of South Central KY can not fill Diddle every night.
To expect parents to watch a college tournament game instead of watching their children or their children's alma mater compete in a win or go home high school tournament game is ludicrous.
I know when BG, SW or GW are playing big home games the attendance of WKU games is impacted (and that is during the regular season) which makes your rant even more ludicrous.
Some people like other sports better than basketball. That is not a crime. Personally, I prefer football, which makes the pathetic attendance at WKU football games if either 1) UK is playing at the same time or 2) the temperature drops below 50 degrees, hard to endure.
I also enjoy baseball, but apparently not many other BG residents do, as attendance is not what it should be for that sport either.
UL draws very well for football, baseball and softball. WKU draws pretty well for men's basketball.
Personal sports preferences aside, WKU fans do not have the right to question the attendance numbers of other SBC fans, particularly when Diddle is not filled to near its capacity on a regular basis.
I know that I will soon be blasted and banned from WKU fandom, but so be it.

Yes I realize high school sports are important with people who have kids invovled I get it....Just seemed silly to me Cajun fans listing 4 excuses on why their fans cannot travel 2 hours to a one and done basketball tournament with a future NBA PG...I am not talking about the Cajuns brining 5k fans, was just saying you woudl think they could get 1k for a tournament game they are relatively close to......WKU has been the Memphis of this conf. in basketball and the last 10 years we have had 0 tournaments anywhere close to BG...Memphis hosts their tournament every season and did in CUSA too.....YOur hub of basketball and moneymaker of the sport, you would think could get a tournament at least in Biringham or Huntsville or somewhere even remotley close to where the fans that care about the sport are....SB has been backwards for years on this.....Just frustrated is all that a lot of WKU fans do not have the money or time to take off to travel 11 hours eveyr season for a conf. tournament no one cares about besides WKU.....I am not saying WKU has perfect attend, but I bet a tournament we were in 2 hours away, our excuses would not be we have a womens softball game to attend too that is on the road, so we cannot come to a one and done basketball tournament in Louisvillle....

Here is the problem with your argument.

1. There is no way any Basketball coach would agree to play the tournament in Bowling Green. No one wants to make the tournament any easier for WKU. Attendance be darned.

2. Places like Nashville, Memphis, and Birmingham. Places that WKU insisted the tournament be played at, wanted nothing to do with us. Birmingham has no SBC teams in the market. Nashville decided that MTSU and WKU's crowds didn't make the tourney a money maker. And there is no way Memphis would ever host the Sun Belt. The University of Memphis saw to that.

3. That meant the SBC had to look at the smaller towns. Places that didn't have large arenas, but had enough, and would promote the Tourney. Hot Springs won that bet. And despite the fact that WKU hated Hot Springs because it wasn't convenient for their fans. Hot Springs worked hard for the tournament and made a big enough deal about it that there was at least some local interest in the later rounds, despite neither Arkansas school playing well most years. Last year, the SBC Tournament and High School State Finals we4re supposed to be in Hot Springs the same week, and the High School Tournament is the one that got moved. Despite the fact that attendance for that game is ultimately higher than for the SBC Tournament.

The Tournament was moved to New Orleans at WKU's insistence. Your President and AD moaned about wanting a tourney game in a big city. A Big City that is only accommodating us because our league offices are in town, and because we moved at the last minute, we are locked out of downtown hotels and forced to play at a Southland Conference Arena because of different conventions in town.

Then you get upset because Cajun fans are not huge basketball fans and would rather follow baseball or softball (Both highly ranked sports in Lafayette) Or follow their kid's High school play in a State Championship game rather than watch the Cajuns figure out yet another way to lose in the tournament, like they and stAte have done for each of the last 7 years?

Those are impossible standards. I hope you enjoy next year's CUSA Tournament live from Scenic El Paso. I hear Ciudad De Juarez is really hopping this time of year.

If I were SUn Belt peopleI would be begging for BG to host tournament, haha.....Home teams are 0 and 5 so far in conf. championship games played on their home courts and Memphis lost last night.....A lot more pressure I would say on teams that play at home for their conf. tournament but as a fan of course I would like to see it at WKU.....CUSA tournament is not in El PAso next season, I have heard Biloxi or Char. as the front runners to host....But thanks for the daily CUSA shot included ni a post! 04-rock

I am sorry no one finds it humerous that womens softball and baseball were thrown in the mix as why no one would attend their tournament games....I really dont care and I realize different parts of the country care more about certain sports...Just proves why WKU jumped and begged for CUSA as I know for a fact thy have programs that care about basketball and it will be a good fit for WKU moving forward...
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I would think New Orleans would be a pretty good spot to hold the conference tournament. It would be nice if it was downtown at New Orleans Arena though.
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(03-14-2014 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I would think New Orleans would be a pretty good spot to hold the conference tournament. It would be nice if it was downtown at New Orleans Arena though.

It would be if anyone cared about basketball in the state of Louisana to attend.....The team that cares about hooops is 10 or 11 hours away, but its ok after this season you guys willl never have to discuss basketball again, you can have Georgia St. fans arguing how they are a mid major program and they will not lose a game next season...
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(03-14-2014 12:19 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I would think New Orleans would be a pretty good spot to hold the conference tournament. It would be nice if it was downtown at New Orleans Arena though.

It would be if anyone cared about basketball in the state of Louisana to attend.....The team that cares about hooops is 10 or 11 hours away, but its ok after this season you guys willl never have to discuss basketball again, you can have Georgia St. fans arguing how they are a mid major program and they will not lose a game next season...
Well, it's good for USA too and I was definitely planning on making a week of it, but you know how that worked out. I am not sure how often USA is going to miss the tournament in the future but this has to be factored in as well.
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This divorce is getting a little messy.32 years is enough. Good points have been made on BOTH sides-wish everyone would admit that!WKU will continue to compete for championships in ALL sports to the conclusion of each season. Yes we have very good teams in baseball and softball also.Much respect and a hats off to all SBC teams!!!
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(03-14-2014 12:19 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I would think New Orleans would be a pretty good spot to hold the conference tournament. It would be nice if it was downtown at New Orleans Arena though.

It would be if anyone cared about basketball in the state of Louisana to attend.....The team that cares about hooops is 10 or 11 hours away, but its ok after this season you guys willl never have to discuss basketball again, you can have Georgia St. fans arguing how they are a mid major program and they will not lose a game next season...

The only fans arguing about mid major status were WKU fans. And who said anything about Georgia State not losing a game next season?
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(03-14-2014 12:19 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I would think New Orleans would be a pretty good spot to hold the conference tournament. It would be nice if it was downtown at New Orleans Arena though.

It would be if anyone cared about basketball in the state of Louisana to attend.....The team that cares about hooops is 10 or 11 hours away, but its ok after this season you guys willl never have to discuss basketball again....

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(03-14-2014 12:38 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  
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(03-14-2014 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I would think New Orleans would be a pretty good spot to hold the conference tournament. It would be nice if it was downtown at New Orleans Arena though.

It would be if anyone cared about basketball in the state of Louisana to attend.....The team that cares about hooops is 10 or 11 hours away, but its ok after this season you guys willl never have to discuss basketball again, you can have Georgia St. fans arguing how they are a mid major program and they will not lose a game next season...

The only fans arguing about mid major status were WKU fans. And who said anything about Georgia State not losing a game next season?

He lost me there too.

Attendance is an issue here in Atlanta for the SEC tourney. I think it is what it is with the feeder rounds.

https://twitter.com/sportsandra/status/4...3514787840
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(03-14-2014 12:57 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  
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(03-14-2014 12:19 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I would think New Orleans would be a pretty good spot to hold the conference tournament. It would be nice if it was downtown at New Orleans Arena though.

It would be if anyone cared about basketball in the state of Louisana to attend.....The team that cares about hooops is 10 or 11 hours away, but its ok after this season you guys willl never have to discuss basketball again, you can have Georgia St. fans arguing how they are a mid major program and they will not lose a game next season...

The only fans arguing about mid major status were WKU fans. And who said anything about Georgia State not losing a game next season?

He lost me there too.

Attendance is an issue here in Atlanta for the SEC tourney. I think it is what it is with the feeder rounds.

https://twitter.com/sportsandra/status/4...3514787840

Conference basketball tournaments are the hardest hit by expansion. Way too many feeder rounders. Fans aren't going to travel if its just for one game in the middle of the week.
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(03-14-2014 12:59 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 12:57 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 12:38 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 12:19 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I would think New Orleans would be a pretty good spot to hold the conference tournament. It would be nice if it was downtown at New Orleans Arena though.

It would be if anyone cared about basketball in the state of Louisana to attend.....The team that cares about hooops is 10 or 11 hours away, but its ok after this season you guys willl never have to discuss basketball again, you can have Georgia St. fans arguing how they are a mid major program and they will not lose a game next season...

The only fans arguing about mid major status were WKU fans. And who said anything about Georgia State not losing a game next season?

He lost me there too.

Attendance is an issue here in Atlanta for the SEC tourney. I think it is what it is with the feeder rounds.

https://twitter.com/sportsandra/status/4...3514787840

Conference basketball tournaments are the hardest hit by expansion. Way too many feeder rounders. Fans aren't going to travel if its just for one game in the middle of the week.

Pretty much. Fans of teams that might only play game see no point in buying tickets, and fans of teams that know their team is likely NCAA bound either way will likely choose to save money for that trip.

As Arkstfan mentioned, the demographic for your typical mid major college basketball tournament is the 50+ crowd. The people who are retired, no longer have kids at home, and can afford to take side trips to watch a basketball tournament during the week.

Heck, there were times this year that an ASU basketball game looked like a Senior Citizen convention.
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Perhaps there should some thought of moving the tournament to Chattanooga. Nice tourist town with loads of good hotels, restaurants and bars nearby. The River Walk area and aquarium is really good. The arena has some age on it, but was updated in 2000.

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(03-14-2014 11:41 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 10:02 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 09:45 AM)Jacque Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 07:31 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Hard to believe regular season chick softball and baseball in which they play 50 games is the excuse of not going to a basketball tournament? New Orleans did not deserve the tournament and just proves the point the tournament should have been held close to the only school that cares about basketball....So glad CUSA as least has a few fan bases and programs who do not put chicks softball and baseball over a real sport like basketball....That is why the Sun Belt will never be good at basketball and will hurt the conf. no matter what football does....Sun Belt is a chicks softball and baseball conference...A shame considering where the Sun Belt was in the mid 80's......

I am sorry that the entire SBcC does not feel that the sun rises and sets based upon basketball. I am not sure why you feel that basketball is the only "real" sport. Maybe because it is the only sport that schools from KY have been consistently good at.
And for a school that believes that basketball is the only sport, it amazes me that the rabid basketball fans of South Central KY can not fill Diddle every night.
To expect parents to watch a college tournament game instead of watching their children or their children's alma mater compete in a win or go home high school tournament game is ludicrous.
I know when BG, SW or GW are playing big home games the attendance of WKU games is impacted (and that is during the regular season) which makes your rant even more ludicrous.
Some people like other sports better than basketball. That is not a crime. Personally, I prefer football, which makes the pathetic attendance at WKU football games if either 1) UK is playing at the same time or 2) the temperature drops below 50 degrees, hard to endure.
I also enjoy baseball, but apparently not many other BG residents do, as attendance is not what it should be for that sport either.
UL draws very well for football, baseball and softball. WKU draws pretty well for men's basketball.
Personal sports preferences aside, WKU fans do not have the right to question the attendance numbers of other SBC fans, particularly when Diddle is not filled to near its capacity on a regular basis.
I know that I will soon be blasted and banned from WKU fandom, but so be it.

Yes I realize high school sports are important with people who have kids invovled I get it....Just seemed silly to me Cajun fans listing 4 excuses on why their fans cannot travel 2 hours to a one and done basketball tournament with a future NBA PG...I am not talking about the Cajuns brining 5k fans, was just saying you woudl think they could get 1k for a tournament game they are relatively close to......WKU has been the Memphis of this conf. in basketball and the last 10 years we have had 0 tournaments anywhere close to BG...Memphis hosts their tournament every season and did in CUSA too.....YOur hub of basketball and moneymaker of the sport, you would think could get a tournament at least in Biringham or Huntsville or somewhere even remotley close to where the fans that care about the sport are....SB has been backwards for years on this.....Just frustrated is all that a lot of WKU fans do not have the money or time to take off to travel 11 hours eveyr season for a conf. tournament no one cares about besides WKU.....I am not saying WKU has perfect attend, but I bet a tournament we were in 2 hours away, our excuses would not be we have a womens softball game to attend too that is on the road, so we cannot come to a one and done basketball tournament in Louisvillle....

Here is the problem with your argument.

1. There is no way any Basketball coach would agree to play the tournament in Bowling Green. No one wants to make the tournament any easier for WKU. Attendance be darned.

2. Places like Nashville, Memphis, and Birmingham. Places that WKU insisted the tournament be played at, wanted nothing to do with us. Birmingham has no SBC teams in the market. Nashville decided that MTSU and WKU's crowds didn't make the tourney a money maker. And there is no way Memphis would ever host the Sun Belt. The University of Memphis saw to that.

3. That meant the SBC had to look at the smaller towns. Places that didn't have large arenas, but had enough, and would promote the Tourney. Hot Springs won that bet. And despite the fact that WKU hated Hot Springs because it wasn't convenient for their fans. Hot Springs worked hard for the tournament and made a big enough deal about it that there was at least some local interest in the later rounds, despite neither Arkansas school playing well most years. Last year, the SBC Tournament and High School State Finals we4re supposed to be in Hot Springs the same week, and the High School Tournament is the one that got moved. Despite the fact that attendance for that game is ultimately higher than for the SBC Tournament.

The Tournament was moved to New Orleans at WKU's insistence. Your President and AD moaned about wanting a tourney game in a big city. A Big City that is only accommodating us because our league offices are in town, and because we moved at the last minute, we are locked out of downtown hotels and forced to play at a Southland Conference Arena because of different conventions in town.

Then you get upset because Cajun fans are not huge basketball fans and would rather follow baseball or softball (Both highly ranked sports in Lafayette) Or follow their kid's High school play in a State Championship game rather than watch the Cajuns figure out yet another way to lose in the tournament, like they and stAte have done for each of the last 7 years?

Those are impossible standards. I hope you enjoy next year's CUSA Tournament live from Scenic El Paso. I hear Ciudad De Juarez is really hopping this time of year.

chiefsfan, that actually sums it up pretty well! Bottomline, UL fans have not fallen in love with Bob Marlin. This is year four and the Cajuns finally have a winning record under his tenure. Baseball and softball are nationally ranked programs as well, so the passion hasn't come back for UL Basketball. And, we are not a Basketball School first like WKU.
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(03-14-2014 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I would think New Orleans would be a pretty good spot to hold the conference tournament. It would be nice if it was downtown at New Orleans Arena though.

It would be if anyone cared about basketball in the state of Louisana to attend.....The team that cares about hooops is 10 or 11 hours away, but its ok after this season you guys willl never have to discuss basketball again, you can have Georgia St. fans arguing how they are a mid major program and they will not lose a game next season...

As a Cajun fan that have been in New Orleans all week I can tell you that the city is very crowded. There are equal amounts of SBC fans running around the city. The basketball teams are staying in hotels that's are not to there standards. Overall it is just a terrible time to have the SBC tournament here. Now if you check room prices they have decreased for the weekend because the Medical Conference is over. I too love New Orleans but refuse to pay top dollar to be in the middle of nowhere. If you don't think Cajun fans love baseball there were more Cajuns than Waves at the Tulane game. By the way your girls basketball team looked pretty fly on Bourbon Street and friendly as we congratulated them on their victory over the Cajuns.
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RE: Basketball tourney attendance
(03-14-2014 04:51 PM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 12:19 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(03-14-2014 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I would think New Orleans would be a pretty good spot to hold the conference tournament. It would be nice if it was downtown at New Orleans Arena though.

It would be if anyone cared about basketball in the state of Louisana to attend.....The team that cares about hooops is 10 or 11 hours away, but its ok after this season you guys willl never have to discuss basketball again, you can have Georgia St. fans arguing how they are a mid major program and they will not lose a game next season...

As a Cajun fan that have been in New Orleans all week I can tell you that the city is very crowded. There are equal amounts of SBC fans running around the city. The basketball teams are staying in hotels that's are not to there standards. Overall it is just a terrible time to have the SBC tournament here. Now if you check room prices they have decreased for the weekend because the Medical Conference is over. I too love New Orleans but refuse to pay top dollar to be in the middle of nowhere. If you don't think Cajun fans love baseball there were more Cajuns than Waves at the Tulane game. By the way your girls basketball team looked pretty fly on Bourbon Street and friendly as we congratulated them on their victory over the Cajuns.

you should read all the stuff that the super bowl requires a city to do to hold it. the city has to guarantee that all hotels with a certain radius will raise their rates and pay a kickback to the nfl and put an nfl kiosk in their lobby..the city has to block out all cabs and limos within a certain radius just for the main venue..no other venues within a certain radius can have any events going on...they even make the city guarantee that there are no flying ads near the stadium unless they are nfl controlled..it's the most detailed and extensive money grab you could imagine..I would never pay the money to go to one.
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Here is the problem with your argument.

1. There is no way any Basketball coach would agree to play the tournament in Bowling Green. No one wants to make the tournament any easier for WKU. Attendance be darned.

2. Places like Nashville, Memphis, and Birmingham. Places that WKU insisted the tournament be played at, wanted nothing to do with us. Birmingham has no SBC teams in the market. Nashville decided that MTSU and WKU's crowds didn't make the tourney a money maker. And there is no way Memphis would ever host the Sun Belt. The University of Memphis saw to that.

3. That meant the SBC had to look at the smaller towns. Places that didn't have large arenas, but had enough, and would promote the Tourney. Hot Springs won that bet. And despite the fact that WKU hated Hot Springs because it wasn't convenient for their fans. Hot Springs worked hard for the tournament and made a big enough deal about it that there was at least some local interest in the later rounds, despite neither Arkansas school playing well most years. Last year, the SBC Tournament and High School State Finals we4re supposed to be in Hot Springs the same week, and the High School Tournament is the one that got moved. Despite the fact that attendance for that game is ultimately higher than for the SBC Tournament.

The Tournament was moved to New Orleans at WKU's insistence. Your President and AD moaned about wanting a tourney game in a big city. A Big City that is only accommodating us because our league offices are in town, and because we moved at the last minute, we are locked out of downtown hotels and forced to play at a Southland Conference Arena because of different conventions in town.

Then you get upset because Cajun fans are not huge basketball fans and would rather follow baseball or softball (Both highly ranked sports in Lafayette) Or follow their kid's High school play in a State Championship game rather than watch the Cajuns figure out yet another way to lose in the tournament, like they and stAte have done for each of the last 7 years?

Those are impossible standards. I hope you enjoy next year's CUSA Tournament live from Scenic El Paso. I hear Ciudad De Juarez is really hopping this time of year.
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