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(03-19-2014 07:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 05:33 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 05:07 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 04:29 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  Not to derail this thread, but what is up with Buzz Peterson's relationship with App? Its like he comes and goes at will.

I'll keep it short.

Peterson became head coach in 1996 after Tom Apke. He guided App to the top of the SoCon in short-order. He thought about leaving in 1999 and temporarily took the job at SE Missouri St, but reconsidered the next morning. In 2000, App won the SoCon and went to the NCAA's for the second time ever. Shortly after, top player Rufus Leach drowned in Watauga Lake and the next week, Buzz took the job at Tulsa, which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. After winning the NIT in his first year at Tulsa, he then went to Tennessee, where he was there for 4-5 years until being replaced by Bruce Pearl.

Buzz moved around. He had a short stint at Coastal Carolina, but then resigned to work in the Bobcats front office with his North Carolina roommate Michael Jordan. When App bought out Houston Fancher (Buzz' replacement who had a mess of a situation fall in his lap in 2000) in 2009, AD Cobb (who wasn't around in 2000) wanted Buzz and offered him more and more money until he took the job at 250k a year. Peterson said he wanted to retire at App. He took that team to a 24-11 record, the SoCon finals and the CIT semis, so on the surface everything looked good. However his family stayed in Charlotte and Buzz commuted to a Boone apartment for the year, going back and forth all the time so it was known Buzz always had an eye out for a raise.

Buzz's wife Janice HATED Boone and never wanted to go back. It didn't help that the 2009-10 winter was one of the roughest on record. She's an elitist who likes being in high social circles and maintaining a certain lifestyle.

This resulted in at one point Buzz having mortgages in Knoxville, Conway and Charlotte at the same time. Plus a car dealership in Myrtle Beach that he invested in bottomed out so the money he made through his Tennessee tenure was gone.

Soon after the 2009-10 season, it was reported he was interviewing at Marshall, which he denied. Then on a Friday, he accepted the job at UNCW out of the blue for about a 200k a year raise, left a message on Cobb's answering machine at 7:30 am and drove down to Wilmington. Janice told me to my face that she was the reason he took the UNCW job. Judging by the fact that he added another mortgage in Wrightsville Beach, she was pulling more of the strings.

Another facet is that after he left App in 2000 and 2010, neither one of his recruiting classes panned out. Fancher had a mess of a program after Rufus Leach died with defections, disciplining players who had grown entitled under Buzz and with the "five and eight" rule at the time, it made the team very short-handed for the next year and going forward. None of the 2010 class stuck around long as Capel turned the team over pretty quickly.

Since I never followed behind the scenes stuff, now what was the deal with Fancher. He seemed to be inconsistent but overall seemed to handle things pretty well. He built what I think was the best App team in the 20 years I've followed them - the NIT team that had a pretty legit shot at an at-large bid.

TDog was right on the Buzz stuff with one exception. The car dealership was a Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep outfit in West Jefferson. I really enjoyed listening to all the know it all's when Buzz took the job the second time around. All the talk of him being App basketball's version of Jerry Moore was laughable. I've known the guy a long time, played a lot of golf with him and talking to him the entire time Mark Harrell and Jimmy Deal were pushing him to come back. Buzz turned the job down 3 times, mostly out of respect for Houston.

People tend to forget Buzz made some pretty harsh comments about App when Houston was forced out. Buzz told me Chancellor Peacock called and scolded him for saying negative things about the program when he was the choice to replace Houston. That was the first time Buzz said no. Buzz told me they kept pushing and upping the ante until he made what he thought were demands App would never accept. With the financial support of a local land developer and attorney Cobb said yes. It was a marriage that never going to last. Buzz was looking for a way out before the ink was dry on the contract. All that talk about him wanting his daughter to stay in Charlotte and graduate was just a convenient excuse. Jan was never going to move back to Boone and Buzz was going to be history the next season. He told me had the UNCW deal not come through he was headed back to work for MJ and the Bobcats.

A lot of App fans hate Buzz. They need to turn that anger at the guys who literally backed Buzz into a corner and forced him to come to App.

No one forced him to do anything. He could have said no and meant it. Shows what kind of character he has to cave in. The other parties involved have their share of the blame for killing our program, especially Cobb for letting himself be manipulated like that. But Buzz wasn't forced to do anything.

You are right. Ultimately the decision was his and he could have just stopped answering the phone. Believe me, he wished he had. Buzz found himself into a deep financial hole. Based on his previous tenure he knew App (by itself) could not provide the compensation he needed. He put up an outlandish proposal thinking they could not meet it. The guys pulling the strings agreed to put up the cash. Anyone involved in serious negotiations knows you never put yourself in the position of allowing the other person to set the conditions. Cobb put himself and our school in just such a situation. It was going to turn out bad from the start. We had a guy who genuinely did not want to be there and a couple of guys flush with cash and ego's as big as Texas pushing their weight around.

It is easy and simplistic for people to say Buzz should have done this or should not have said that. Because his demands were met, Buzz put himself into a situation where he could be manipulated. Regardless of what some people think, Buzz is a genuinely good person. 99.9% of those making negative comments about him are ignorant of the situation. He regrets the whole thing ever happened.

(03-20-2014 07:27 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  You are right. Ultimately the decision was his and he could have just stopped answering the phone. Believe me, he wished he had. Buzz found himself into a deep financial hole. Based on his previous tenure he knew App (by itself) could not provide the compensation he needed. He put up an outlandish proposal thinking they could not meet it. The guys pulling the strings agreed to put up the cash. Anyone involved in serious negotiations knows you never put yourself in the position of allowing the other person to set the conditions. Cobb put himself and our school in just such a situation. It was going to turn out bad from the start. We had a guy who genuinely did not want to be there and a couple of guys flush with cash and ego's as big as Texas pushing their weight around.

It is easy and simplistic for people to say Buzz should have done this or should not have said that. Because his demands were met, Buzz put himself into a situation where he could be manipulated. Regardless of what some people think, Buzz is a genuinely good person. 99.9% of those making negative comments about him are ignorant of the situation. He regrets the whole thing ever happened.

His financial situation was his creation. I cut him no slack whatsoever for allowing himself to get into such a situation. And whatever negative comments he gets, he earned through his actions. I also cut no slack for Cobb who allowed our basketball program to be held hostage. I'm beginning to think our athletic department is in worse shape than when Roach was running things.

(03-20-2014 07:27 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  You are right. Ultimately the decision was his and he could have just stopped answering the phone. Believe me, he wished he had. Buzz found himself into a deep financial hole. Based on his previous tenure he knew App (by itself) could not provide the compensation he needed. He put up an outlandish proposal thinking they could not meet it. The guys pulling the strings agreed to put up the cash. Anyone involved in serious negotiations knows you never put yourself in the position of allowing the other person to set the conditions. Cobb put himself and our school in just such a situation. It was going to turn out bad from the start. We had a guy who genuinely did not want to be there and a couple of guys flush with cash and ego's as big as Texas pushing their weight around.

It is easy and simplistic for people to say Buzz should have done this or should not have said that. Because his demands were met, Buzz put himself into a situation where he could be manipulated. Regardless of what some people think, Buzz is a genuinely good person. 99.9% of those making negative comments about him are ignorant of the situation. He regrets the whole thing ever happened.

I get what you're saying DG, but the way B**z left town forced me to have no respect for him. That was a very weaselly way to handle that.

So what does the new Chancellor mean for your athletics programs now? She ever said anything about the importance of athletics in the past? We were sold on Dr. Keel as soon as he said "athletics is the front porch of your university," along with the emphasis he placed on academics and research.

(03-19-2014 05:07 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 04:29 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  Not to derail this thread, but what is up with Buzz Peterson's relationship with App? Its like he comes and goes at will.

I'll keep it short.

Peterson became head coach in 1996 after Tom Apke. He guided App to the top of the SoCon in short-order. He thought about leaving in 1999 and temporarily took the job at SE Missouri St, but reconsidered the next morning. In 2000, App won the SoCon and went to the NCAA's for the second time ever. Shortly after, top player Rufus Leach drowned in Watauga Lake and the next week, Buzz took the job at Tulsa, which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. After winning the NIT in his first year at Tulsa, he then went to Tennessee, where he was there for 4-5 years until being replaced by Bruce Pearl.

Buzz moved around. He had a short stint at Coastal Carolina, but then resigned to work in the Bobcats front office with his North Carolina roommate Michael Jordan. When App bought out Houston Fancher (Buzz' replacement who had a mess of a situation fall in his lap in 2000) in 2009, AD Cobb (who wasn't around in 2000) wanted Buzz and offered him more and more money until he took the job at 250k a year. Peterson said he wanted to retire at App. He took that team to a 24-11 record, the SoCon finals and the CIT semis, so on the surface everything looked good. However his family stayed in Charlotte and Buzz commuted to a Boone apartment for the year, going back and forth all the time so it was known Buzz always had an eye out for a raise.

Buzz's wife Janice HATED Boone and never wanted to go back. It didn't help that the 2009-10 winter was one of the roughest on record. She's an elitist who likes being in high social circles and maintaining a certain lifestyle.

This resulted in at one point Buzz having mortgages in Knoxville, Conway and Charlotte at the same time. Plus a car dealership in Myrtle Beach that he invested in bottomed out so the money he made through his Tennessee tenure was gone.

Soon after the 2009-10 season, it was reported he was interviewing at Marshall, which he denied. Then on a Friday, he accepted the job at UNCW out of the blue for about a 200k a year raise, left a message on Cobb's answering machine at 7:30 am and drove down to Wilmington. Janice told me to my face that she was the reason he took the UNCW job. Judging by the fact that he added another mortgage in Wrightsville Beach, she was pulling more of the strings.

Another facet is that after he left App in 2000 and 2010, neither one of his recruiting classes panned out. Fancher had a mess of a program after Rufus Leach died with defections, disciplining players who had grown entitled under Buzz and with the "five and eight" rule at the time, it made the team very short-handed for the next year and going forward. None of the 2010 class stuck around long as Capel turned the team over pretty quickly.

That wasn't SEMO he took the job it was us. We were SMS at the time and just off a Sweet Sixteen. He took the job for less than 12 hours. We was going to get a 300k per year gig which in 1999 was pretty good upgrade.

(03-20-2014 11:50 AM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 07:27 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  You are right. Ultimately the decision was his and he could have just stopped answering the phone. Believe me, he wished he had. Buzz found himself into a deep financial hole. Based on his previous tenure he knew App (by itself) could not provide the compensation he needed. He put up an outlandish proposal thinking they could not meet it. The guys pulling the strings agreed to put up the cash. Anyone involved in serious negotiations knows you never put yourself in the position of allowing the other person to set the conditions. Cobb put himself and our school in just such a situation. It was going to turn out bad from the start. We had a guy who genuinely did not want to be there and a couple of guys flush with cash and ego's as big as Texas pushing their weight around.

It is easy and simplistic for people to say Buzz should have done this or should not have said that. Because his demands were met, Buzz put himself into a situation where he could be manipulated. Regardless of what some people think, Buzz is a genuinely good person. 99.9% of those making negative comments about him are ignorant of the situation. He regrets the whole thing ever happened.

I get what you're saying DG, but the way B**z left town forced me to have no respect for him. That was a very weaselly way to handle that.

I wouldn't be so quick to believe it went down as described.

Buzz didn't address the team before leaving, is a spendthrift, can't stand up to his wife, and isn't an option.

Time to move on and make a good hire, very important hire for App and Cobb.

Any news of a potential hire yet?

NC State lost tonight in a way only they can, so we can interview Lutz now. Likely will be a few weeks before anything is concrete.

(03-20-2014 02:28 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  So what does the new Chancellor mean for your athletics programs now? She ever said anything about the importance of athletics in the past? We were sold on Dr. Keel as soon as he said "athletics is the front porch of your university," along with the emphasis he placed on academics and research.

Dr Everts said in her intro that she was raised on "football and corn, probably in that order" in Nebraska. Besides that it's a mystery but I'm sure Dr Peacock will emphasize the point to her.

You guys come to Statesboro this weekend for a baseball series. I know this year has been disappointing for App so far in baseball but I expect 3 good games in Statesboro this weekend.

(03-20-2014 09:12 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Any news of a potential hire yet?

Still in preliminary stages according to Cobb. He knows not to rush this one, even though some have said it will be Lutz.

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/bas...b2370.html

I have been to App's basketball facility and it is a nice one. There is really no reason for App. basketball to be as dismal as it was this year.

(03-20-2014 04:00 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 11:50 AM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 07:27 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  You are right. Ultimately the decision was his and he could have just stopped answering the phone. Believe me, he wished he had. Buzz found himself into a deep financial hole. Based on his previous tenure he knew App (by itself) could not provide the compensation he needed. He put up an outlandish proposal thinking they could not meet it. The guys pulling the strings agreed to put up the cash. Anyone involved in serious negotiations knows you never put yourself in the position of allowing the other person to set the conditions. Cobb put himself and our school in just such a situation. It was going to turn out bad from the start. We had a guy who genuinely did not want to be there and a couple of guys flush with cash and ego's as big as Texas pushing their weight around.

It is easy and simplistic for people to say Buzz should have done this or should not have said that. Because his demands were met, Buzz put himself into a situation where he could be manipulated. Regardless of what some people think, Buzz is a genuinely good person. 99.9% of those making negative comments about him are ignorant of the situation. He regrets the whole thing ever happened.

I get what you're saying DG, but the way B**z left town forced me to have no respect for him. That was a very weaselly way to handle that.

I wouldn't be so quick to believe it went down as described.

Maybe not, but to date no other account has been described publicly. IF he left a voicemail notifying CC and didn't address the team, then I have a big problem with that.

Worst year for App football, basketball, and baseball in awhile, but perhaps we can beat GSU this weekend. Remember GSU fans even when we suck we're still better than you ;-).

(03-21-2014 08:05 AM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 04:00 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 11:50 AM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 07:27 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  You are right. Ultimately the decision was his and he could have just stopped answering the phone. Believe me, he wished he had. Buzz found himself into a deep financial hole. Based on his previous tenure he knew App (by itself) could not provide the compensation he needed. He put up an outlandish proposal thinking they could not meet it. The guys pulling the strings agreed to put up the cash. Anyone involved in serious negotiations knows you never put yourself in the position of allowing the other person to set the conditions. Cobb put himself and our school in just such a situation. It was going to turn out bad from the start. We had a guy who genuinely did not want to be there and a couple of guys flush with cash and ego's as big as Texas pushing their weight around.

It is easy and simplistic for people to say Buzz should have done this or should not have said that. Because his demands were met, Buzz put himself into a situation where he could be manipulated. Regardless of what some people think, Buzz is a genuinely good person. 99.9% of those making negative comments about him are ignorant of the situation. He regrets the whole thing ever happened.

I get what you're saying DG, but the way B**z left town forced me to have no respect for him. That was a very weaselly way to handle that.

I wouldn't be so quick to believe it went down as described.

Maybe not, but to date no other account has been described publicly. IF he left a voicemail notifying CC and didn't address the team, then I have a big problem with that.

That was Cobb's side of the story. There are always 2...

Rhoades, Moton or McMahon..... please.

(03-23-2014 11:05 AM)FidelCashflow18 Wrote:  Rhoades, Moton or McMahon..... please.

I simply can't see Moton leaving Central unless App ups the salary considerably. He makes pretty close to what Capel was making. Simpy don't see him jumping from one 1 bid conference to another unless a significant pay raise is there. You also have to consider a buyout which even for a small conference coach is probably in the six figures. Hiring a head coach is difficult unless you have money laying around to pay a buyout. That's why most mid-major schools hire assistants.

You also have to consider that App is a dumpster fire for basketball right now. Capel has left your program in shambles. It's not going to an attractive landing spot for a current head coach simply because it is high risk. It's a complete rebuild job and those are difficult to successfully pull off. If you try and miss, your head coaching career is pretty much over or at least delayed by many, many years.

He has a good thing going at NCCU right now, so I can't see him leaving unless a school from a multi-bid conference with a half million dollar + salary comes calling (A10 or better).