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RE: MO State fans getting excited for SBC
Flight Times from Springfield, MO

App State 1 hr 48 minutes
Georgia State 1 hr 37 minutes
Georgia Southern 1 hr 48 minutes
USA 1 hour 40 minutes 1 hr 40 minutes
Troy 1 hour 43 minutes

Idaho 3 hours 2 minutes
Arkansas State 48 minutes
ULL, 1 hour 33 minutes
ULM, 1 hour 11 minutes
Texas State 1 hour 41 minutes
NMSU 2 hours 0 minutes


Doesnt look like playing in the East would be a big deal for Mo State
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RE: MO State fans getting excited for SBC
(03-06-2014 02:23 PM)panama Wrote:  Flight Times from Springfield, MO

App State 1 hr 48 minutes
Georgia State 1 hr 37 minutes
Georgia Southern 1 hr 48 minutes
USA 1 hour 40 minutes 1 hr 40 minutes
Troy 1 hour 43 minutes

Idaho 3 hours 2 minutes
Arkansas State 48 minutes
ULL, 1 hour 33 minutes
ULM, 1 hour 11 minutes
Texas State 1 hour 41 minutes
NMSU 2 hours 0 minutes


Doesnt look like playing in the East would be a big deal for Mo State

The real issue is how many trips could they take a bus to. That's where the real save in travel costs occur. Its fine if we eliminate divisions in all Olympic Sports...but that has to happen. A large number of Olympic Sports will bus to their destination.
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RE: MO State fans getting excited for SBC
(03-06-2014 02:01 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-06-2014 01:45 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(03-06-2014 01:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Missouri is in the SEC east so I don't see why Missouri St. couldn't be in the SBC east.

Because we are not the SEC and we really could use travel partners to help offset travel costs for Olympic Sports. Missouri State does not make since as a travel partner for anyone but Arkansas State. On the other had you don't use travel partners for Football so I suppose if we don't break into divisions for the Olympic Sports then it really wouldn't matter that much...

Arkstfan brought up the point that a Missouri State add would essentially create several clusters of schools, all within Driving distance of one another.

Cluster 1: App State, Georgia State, Georgia Southern

Cluster 2: Missouri State, UALR (Idaho), Arkansas State

Cluster 3: USA, Troy, ULL, ULM,

Cluster 4: Texas State, UTA (NMSU)

If you made a divisional commitment to keep Clusters together...You could probably divide it up any way you wanted and not face a lot of travel issues.

His proposal was to pair up App and the Georgia Schools with Missouri State and the Arkansas schools, while pairing up the Louisiana, Alabama, and Texas Schools. That puts one non football in each division, which is then paired for football purposes with NMSU and Idaho. Putting NMSU and Idaho in separate divisions.

Using a Cross over rivals deal like the SEC has would ensure that at no point would more than 4 SBC schools ever have to play both NMSU and Idaho in the same year...and those schools would rotate every two years.


It seems to me that adding Jacksonville State, UTC andd Missouri State plus moving all of NMSU's sports into the Sun Belt may not be a bad move.

In football...

Eastern Division

Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Jacksonville State
South Alabama
Tennessee Chattanooga
Troy

and each team play two teams from the west.

Western Division

Arkansas State
Idaho
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
Missouri State
New Mexico State
Texas State

and each team play two teams from the east.

In other sports divide into three divisions of five. In basketball, volleyball, soccer... play each team within the division twice and all other teams once. In baseball and softball play each team within the division three times and play a set number of teams from the other divisions.

East

Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Jacksonville State
Tennessee Chattanooga

Central

Arkansas Little Rock
Arkansas State
Missouri State
South Alabama
Troy

West

Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
New Mexico State
Texas Arlington
Texas State

It would strengthen rivalries within divisions, cut down on travel...new invites could strenthen basketball.

If the Big 12 added two causing the AAC or CUSA to raid the conference...we could take a couple of hits. In time...we could pass the CUSA and become more stable. Definitely a more balanced conference of similar universities.
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Too many teams. The most the SBC will expand to in football is 13...and that would primarily be just to have someone so we don't have to add when Idaho drops. With the NCAA money capped at 12 million. You don't want to go well beyond 12 teams, unless you think it would be a significant help to your TV deal/
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East

Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Jacksonville State
Tennessee Chattanooga

Central

Arkansas Little Rock
Arkansas State
Missouri State
South Alabama
Troy

West

Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
New Mexico State
Texas Arlington
Texas State

In this make up Appalachian State is in driving distance of all the teams within it's cluster.

Arkansas State is in driving distance of UALR, Missouri State and ULM.

UALR is within driving distance of ASU, MO State, ULM and UTA.

ULL is in driving distance of ULM, South Alabama, UTA and possibly Texas State.

South Alabama is in driving distance of Troy, Jacksonville State, Georgia Southern and perhaps Georgia State.
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(03-06-2014 02:45 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  East

Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Jacksonville State
Tennessee Chattanooga

Central

Arkansas Little Rock
Arkansas State
Missouri State
South Alabama
Troy

West

Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
New Mexico State
Texas Arlington
Texas State

In this make up Appalachian State is in driving distance of all the teams within it's cluster.

Arkansas State is in driving distance of UALR, Missouri State and ULM.

UALR is within driving distance of ASU, MO State, ULM and UTA.

ULL is in driving distance of ULM, South Alabama, UTA and possibly Texas State.

South Alabama is in driving distance of Troy, Jacksonville State, Georgia Southern and perhaps Georgia State.

Both Troy and USA would veto Jacksonville State in a heart beat. Same reason ASU would never let UCA into the Sun Belt.
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(03-06-2014 02:45 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  East

Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Jacksonville State
Tennessee Chattanooga

Central

Arkansas Little Rock
Arkansas State
Missouri State
South Alabama
Troy

West

Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
New Mexico State
Texas Arlington
Texas State

In this make up Appalachian State is in driving distance of all the teams within it's cluster.

Arkansas State is in driving distance of UALR, Missouri State and ULM.

UALR is within driving distance of ASU, MO State, ULM and UTA.

ULL is in driving distance of ULM, South Alabama, UTA and possibly Texas State.

South Alabama is in driving distance of Troy, Jacksonville State, Georgia Southern and perhaps Georgia State.

This scenario keeps us away from JMU who things they are too good, and the drama Liberty would bring.

As for as a cap of 12...tell that to the Big 10, SEC, ACC, MAC, and CUSA.

The configuration I meantioned will build regional rivalries and build fan bases.
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(03-06-2014 02:35 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(03-06-2014 02:01 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-06-2014 01:45 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(03-06-2014 01:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Missouri is in the SEC east so I don't see why Missouri St. couldn't be in the SBC east.

Because we are not the SEC and we really could use travel partners to help offset travel costs for Olympic Sports. Missouri State does not make since as a travel partner for anyone but Arkansas State. On the other had you don't use travel partners for Football so I suppose if we don't break into divisions for the Olympic Sports then it really wouldn't matter that much...

Arkstfan brought up the point that a Missouri State add would essentially create several clusters of schools, all within Driving distance of one another.

Cluster 1: App State, Georgia State, Georgia Southern

Cluster 2: Missouri State, UALR (Idaho), Arkansas State

Cluster 3: USA, Troy, ULL, ULM,

Cluster 4: Texas State, UTA (NMSU)

If you made a divisional commitment to keep Clusters together...You could probably divide it up any way you wanted and not face a lot of travel issues.

His proposal was to pair up App and the Georgia Schools with Missouri State and the Arkansas schools, while pairing up the Louisiana, Alabama, and Texas Schools. That puts one non football in each division, which is then paired for football purposes with NMSU and Idaho. Putting NMSU and Idaho in separate divisions.

Using a Cross over rivals deal like the SEC has would ensure that at no point would more than 4 SBC schools ever have to play both NMSU and Idaho in the same year...and those schools would rotate every two years.


It seems to me that adding Jacksonville State, UTC andd Missouri State plus moving all of NMSU's sports into the Sun Belt may not be a bad move.

In football...

Eastern Division

Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Jacksonville State
South Alabama
Tennessee Chattanooga
Troy

and each team play two teams from the west.

Western Division

Arkansas State
Idaho
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
Missouri State
New Mexico State
Texas State

and each team play two teams from the east.

In other sports divide into three divisions of five. In basketball, volleyball, soccer... play each team within the division twice and all other teams once. In baseball and softball play each team within the division three times and play a set number of teams from the other divisions.

East

Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Jacksonville State
Tennessee Chattanooga

Central

Arkansas Little Rock
Arkansas State
Missouri State
South Alabama
Troy

West

Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
New Mexico State
Texas Arlington
Texas State

It would strengthen rivalries within divisions, cut down on travel...new invites could strenthen basketball.

If the Big 12 added two causing the AAC or CUSA to raid the conference...we could take a couple of hits. In time...we could pass the CUSA and become more stable. Definitely a more balanced conference of similar universities.

So how would the basketball scheduling be done?

Two games (one home; one away) within division and one game each a year (rotating home and away) against the other SBC teams?
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Bring on the Mo's.
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(03-06-2014 02:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-06-2014 02:23 PM)panama Wrote:  Flight Times from Springfield, MO

App State 1 hr 48 minutes
Georgia State 1 hr 37 minutes
Georgia Southern 1 hr 48 minutes
USA 1 hour 40 minutes 1 hr 40 minutes
Troy 1 hour 43 minutes

Idaho 3 hours 2 minutes
Arkansas State 48 minutes
ULL, 1 hour 33 minutes
ULM, 1 hour 11 minutes
Texas State 1 hour 41 minutes
NMSU 2 hours 0 minutes


Doesnt look like playing in the East would be a big deal for Mo State

The real issue is how many trips could they take a bus to. That's where the real save in travel costs occur. Its fine if we eliminate divisions in all Olympic Sports...but that has to happen. A large number of Olympic Sports will bus to their destination.

Divisions are really only a football issue. You can do whatever you want in olympic sports. But if you convert the flight times to drive times and add in UALR and UTA nothing much changes. And as I said, it would be great for their football recruiting to have trips to GA, AL and NC.
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