(02-24-2014 05:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:41 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:39 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:23 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Um... the backlash against those boycotting CFA/Phil Robertson was absolutely incongruous, accusations of infringing on first amendment rights, being called overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity is not simply "the other side of the boycott".

Even conservatives on Fox News were continually pointing out that Phil's case was not about the First Amendment (even I corrected some people on facebook about that). As for the accusations of "overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity", I'm not seeing how that matters, or is any different than accusations of anti-gay/bigot/attacking homosexuals that came from the other side - those are simply a furtherance of the position that each side was taking and what they were responding to.

The reactions in each instance were very simple:
- You want to punish CFA's position by boycotting them? Fine, we will give them a week's worth of profit in one day.
- You want to punish Phil Robertson for saying something we agree with? Fine, we will boycott your network AND buy tons of their branded stuff, and the stuff made by people who are standing by them (like Under Armour).

Just because it was a reaction to a reaction doesn't make it a somehow illegitimate reaction.

How about Arizona trying to ban gays from business... But only to turn around and say never mind because there are businesses who were planning relocating to Phoenix since the Super Bowl is going to held there next and there are all backing out Because of this law they were trying to pass.

Arizona is about to lose out on a ton of money because of their law makers.

Is there a question for me here? Arizona should do whatever they want, AND be prepared to suffer whatever consequences people can bring against them for it.

Georgia is discussing it now too... But there's a big protest going on downtown. It won't pass. Kansas tried too.


Also The Atlanta mayor today announced he helped kick off a $1 million national campaign today to bring same sex marriage to georgia and other southern states

sorry, no gay marriage in the south

When have I spewed hate, talking smack on a sports message board is not hate, it's talking smack. I have never talked bad about anyone on this board, just trash talk their athletic teams and schools.

It's not surprising that a majority of the posters get offended by Christians, we've all seen the Liberty threads.

Feel free to bash me, I can take it, I'm a big boy, I can handle it. And nothing posted on this board will upset my day, I can always just shut the laptop.

I am a Christian, however, I don't judge anyone, that is not my job.

(02-24-2014 05:47 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:19 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  All...all of these type shows are awful.

Pretty much.

Only thing I know from watching some of the show is that the Duck dynasty people are fairly socially unaware, and Phil Robertson's comments prove that.

What I take away from it is...

they believe what they say and act as they believe which is refreshing.

I'm not talking about the silly scripted part of the show but actual beliefs. Most people talk the talk but never walk the walk especially when it comes to something that might hurt their bank account or their time or their freedom.

If you truly believe in something money , time, or freedom should never stand in the way. That's a conviction and I believe he has it. Now the way he goes about saying somethings I think it could be said in a different way and not the harsh words.

But I believe they would walk away from the money if it came to it and that separates most people. A lot of people believes in causes...

till it affects them money wise, time wise or freedom wise then it becomes less important. Or not important at all. Like I said I don't believe the bible is meant as a book to be taken...word by word but if you do it's refreshing to see a person stand by their beliefs no matter what

This pretty much suns up what A&E didn't understand about the family. A&E arranged the interview, they had a representative at the interview, yet said nothing until the interview came out. It is clear that they thought they could use it to get rid of Phil (who was the one who insisted they stop editing the word "Jesus" out of his prayers), but they never dreamed that the entire family would be willing to walk away from the whole thing. A&E was clearly not used to dealing with people with true convictions.

or they had no problem with what he said until the homosexual community got in an uproar

(02-24-2014 05:48 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:41 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:39 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  Even conservatives on Fox News were continually pointing out that Phil's case was not about the First Amendment (even I corrected some people on facebook about that). As for the accusations of "overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity", I'm not seeing how that matters, or is any different than accusations of anti-gay/bigot/attacking homosexuals that came from the other side - those are simply a furtherance of the position that each side was taking and what they were responding to.

The reactions in each instance were very simple:
- You want to punish CFA's position by boycotting them? Fine, we will give them a week's worth of profit in one day.
- You want to punish Phil Robertson for saying something we agree with? Fine, we will boycott your network AND buy tons of their branded stuff, and the stuff made by people who are standing by them (like Under Armour).

Just because it was a reaction to a reaction doesn't make it a somehow illegitimate reaction.

How about Arizona trying to ban gays from business... But only to turn around and say never mind because there are businesses who were planning relocating to Phoenix since the Super Bowl is going to held there next and there are all backing out Because of this law they were trying to pass.

Arizona is about to lose out on a ton of money because of their law makers.

Is there a question for me here? Arizona should do whatever they want, AND be prepared to suffer whatever consequences people can bring against them for it.

Georgia is discussing it now too... But there's a big protest going on downtown. It won't pass. Kansas tried too.


Also The Atlanta mayor today announced he helped kick off a $1 million national campaign today to bring same sex marriage to georgia and other southern states

sorry, no gay marriage in the south

It's gonna happen. U can't stop it... Kentucky already allows it.

(02-24-2014 05:48 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:41 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:39 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  Even conservatives on Fox News were continually pointing out that Phil's case was not about the First Amendment (even I corrected some people on facebook about that). As for the accusations of "overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity", I'm not seeing how that matters, or is any different than accusations of anti-gay/bigot/attacking homosexuals that came from the other side - those are simply a furtherance of the position that each side was taking and what they were responding to.

The reactions in each instance were very simple:
- You want to punish CFA's position by boycotting them? Fine, we will give them a week's worth of profit in one day.
- You want to punish Phil Robertson for saying something we agree with? Fine, we will boycott your network AND buy tons of their branded stuff, and the stuff made by people who are standing by them (like Under Armour).

Just because it was a reaction to a reaction doesn't make it a somehow illegitimate reaction.

How about Arizona trying to ban gays from business... But only to turn around and say never mind because there are businesses who were planning relocating to Phoenix since the Super Bowl is going to held there next and there are all backing out Because of this law they were trying to pass.

Arizona is about to lose out on a ton of money because of their law makers.

Is there a question for me here? Arizona should do whatever they want, AND be prepared to suffer whatever consequences people can bring against them for it.

Georgia is discussing it now too... But there's a big protest going on downtown. It won't pass. Kansas tried too.


Also The Atlanta mayor today announced he helped kick off a $1 million national campaign today to bring same sex marriage to georgia and other southern states

sorry, no gay marriage in the south

Don't kid yourself. Anything is possible.

(02-24-2014 05:46 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:44 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:37 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The constitution provides for all sorts of freedoms...it does not provide from freedom of consequences.

Cougar King is perfectly free and welcome to say whatever he wants bad about the Sun Belt and its posters...but as a Mod, I can remove his posts and take that freedom away if I feel it violates our rules.

I cant throw him in jail for it and persecute him for it. But I can provide consequences for what he says.

Phil Robertson is completely free to speak his mind about whatever he wants. But A&E is completely free to suspend him from the show if it doesn't conform to their values. And thousands of Americans are completely free to stop watching the show because of the comments, or threaten to boycott A&E for suspending him, but their bosses are completely free to fire them from their jobs if they get seen out on the sidewalk holding signs indicating that being gay is a sin.

We're a country based on freedoms, but freedom from consequence is not one of those.

Well stated. Is someone else posting using your account?!

I spent an hour yesterday reading about what happens to people in Russia who protest against Vladamir Putin and his different laws. I felt the need to clarify some differences between here and there.

Russia will kill u for being gay.

No Russia will imprison you for talking to minors about homosexuality still bad but not that bad


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And while in prison, if that person happens to be "accidentally" killed by a few fellow inmates who may or may not have been given permission from the Prison officials to explain how things work there, it wouldn't be Russia's fault at all.

Getting sentenced to prison in Russia is a death sentence for a lot of people.

(02-24-2014 05:50 PM)Usajags Wrote:  When have I spewed hate, talking smack on a sports message board is not hate, it's talking smack. I have never talked bad about anyone on this board, just trash talk their athletic teams and schools.

It's not surprising that a majority of the posters get offended by Christians, we've all seen the Liberty threads.

Feel free to bash me, I can take it, I'm a big boy, I can handle it. And nothing posted on this board will upset my day, I can always just shut the laptop.

I am a Christian, however, I don't judge anyone, that is not my job.

Yet your post implied me and many people around the country are wrong and causing the decay of the country because we aren't Christian?


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(02-24-2014 05:26 PM)Usajags Wrote:  This whole thread is a lot of what is wrong with this country today.

We are a Christian country founded on Christian values, as we lose those values we will lose our country.

Freedom of religion.

Have to resepct all values regardless of religion. Unless it causes harm to oters like stealing or murder, not that those are backed by any religion.

Our Constitution also says all men are created equal. I would say not allowing someone equal rights because of race or sexaulity to go against that.

(02-24-2014 05:52 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:46 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:44 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:37 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Well stated. Is someone else posting using your account?!

I spent an hour yesterday reading about what happens to people in Russia who protest against Vladamir Putin and his different laws. I felt the need to clarify some differences between here and there.

Russia will kill u for being gay.

No Russia will imprison you for talking to minors about homosexuality still bad but not that bad


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And while in prison, if that person happens to be "accidentally" killed by a few fellow inmates who may or may not have been given permission from the Prison officials to explain how things work there, it wouldn't be Russia's fault at all.

Getting sentenced to prison in Russia is a death sentence for a lot of people.

That's very fair, the beauty of America isn't how left or right it is the beauty of America is it is both left and right, no one fears death here because while we have many blind followers of a political or religious or irreligious system there's always another side that checks the balance of power so that the extreme views are marginalized and the foundation of success; compromise happens


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(02-24-2014 05:50 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:48 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:41 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:39 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  How about Arizona trying to ban gays from business... But only to turn around and say never mind because there are businesses who were planning relocating to Phoenix since the Super Bowl is going to held there next and there are all backing out Because of this law they were trying to pass.

Arizona is about to lose out on a ton of money because of their law makers.

Is there a question for me here? Arizona should do whatever they want, AND be prepared to suffer whatever consequences people can bring against them for it.

Georgia is discussing it now too... But there's a big protest going on downtown. It won't pass. Kansas tried too.


Also The Atlanta mayor today announced he helped kick off a $1 million national campaign today to bring same sex marriage to georgia and other southern states

sorry, no gay marriage in the south

It's gonna happen. U can't stop it... Kentucky already allows it.

won't be happening in Louisiana

http://rachelheldevans.com/blog/holidays-persecuted

(02-24-2014 05:50 PM)Usajags Wrote:  When have I spewed hate, talking smack on a sports message board is not hate, it's talking smack. I have never talked bad about anyone on this board, just trash talk their athletic teams and schools.

It's not surprising that a majority of the posters get offended by Christians, we've all seen the Liberty threads.

Feel free to bash me, I can take it, I'm a big boy, I can handle it. And nothing posted on this board will upset my day, I can always just shut the laptop.

I am a Christian, however, I don't judge anyone, that is not my job.

I've been a Christian for my entire life, but sometimes I wonder about the things I hear come out of the mouth from fellow Christians.

I could easily see why non Christians would be so uncomfortable with it. In my denomination, I am a voting member on all state wide church issues, and have voice in all national church issues. We recently tabled a proposal to ban homosexuals from becoming licensed ministers after two days of arguing back and forth got nothing accomplished.

The golden rule of getting nothing accomplished our meetings is to try and get a strong stance on abortion, gay marriage, or weapons in the church. You'll never get a thing accomplished the rest of the day once its brought up.

(02-24-2014 05:53 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:50 PM)Usajags Wrote:  When have I spewed hate, talking smack on a sports message board is not hate, it's talking smack. I have never talked bad about anyone on this board, just trash talk their athletic teams and schools.

It's not surprising that a majority of the posters get offended by Christians, we've all seen the Liberty threads.

Feel free to bash me, I can take it, I'm a big boy, I can handle it. And nothing posted on this board will upset my day, I can always just shut the laptop.

I am a Christian, however, I don't judge anyone, that is not my job.

Yet your post implied me and many people around the country are wrong and causing the decay of the country because we aren't Christian?


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Oh, good gosh. Here we go.

(02-24-2014 05:56 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:50 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:48 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:41 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  Is there a question for me here? Arizona should do whatever they want, AND be prepared to suffer whatever consequences people can bring against them for it.

Georgia is discussing it now too... But there's a big protest going on downtown. It won't pass. Kansas tried too.


Also The Atlanta mayor today announced he helped kick off a $1 million national campaign today to bring same sex marriage to georgia and other southern states

sorry, no gay marriage in the south

It's gonna happen. U can't stop it... Kentucky already allows it.

won't be happening in Louisiana

That's what Mississippi thought when it came to racial segregation


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If you don't like gay marriage don't have one. End of story.

I know of someone who were together 16 years and one of them got in a bad accident and the other one was unable to see his bf in the hospital or help make medical decisions for him... He died. That isn't right when you love someone.

(02-24-2014 05:26 PM)Usajags Wrote:  This whole thread is a lot of what is wrong with this country today.

We are a Christian country founded on Christian values, as we lose those values we will lose our country.

Funny, I thought we were a country founded on religious freedoms, including freedom from a state religion.

(02-24-2014 05:57 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:53 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:50 PM)Usajags Wrote:  When have I spewed hate, talking smack on a sports message board is not hate, it's talking smack. I have never talked bad about anyone on this board, just trash talk their athletic teams and schools.

It's not surprising that a majority of the posters get offended by Christians, we've all seen the Liberty threads.

Feel free to bash me, I can take it, I'm a big boy, I can handle it. And nothing posted on this board will upset my day, I can always just shut the laptop.

I am a Christian, however, I don't judge anyone, that is not my job.

Yet your post implied me and many people around the country are wrong and causing the decay of the country because we aren't Christian?


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Oh, good gosh. Here we go.

If he hadn't posted something so ignorant and inflammatory as a statement that without Christian values our country Would be in ruin I wouldn't feel the need to reply


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(02-24-2014 05:39 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:23 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Um... the backlash against those boycotting CFA/Phil Robertson was absolutely incongruous, accusations of infringing on first amendment rights, being called overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity is not simply "the other side of the boycott".

Even conservatives on Fox News were continually pointing out that Phil's case was not about the First Amendment (even I corrected some people on facebook about that). As for the accusations of "overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity", I'm not seeing how that matters, or is any different than accusations of anti-gay/bigot/attacking homosexuals that came from the other side - those are simply a furtherance of the position that each side was taking and what they were responding to.

The reactions in each instance were very simple:
- You want to punish CFA's position by boycotting them? Fine, we will give them a week's worth of profit in one day.
- You want to punish Phil Robertson for saying something we agree with? Fine, we will boycott your network AND buy tons of their branded stuff, and the stuff made by people who are standing by them (like Under Armour).

Just because it was a reaction to a reaction doesn't make it a somehow illegitimate reaction.

How about Arizona trying to ban gays from business... But only to turn around and say never mind because there are businesses who were planning relocating to Phoenix since the Super Bowl is going to held there next and there are all backing out Because of this law they were trying to pass.

Arizona is about to lose out on a ton of money because of their law makers.

Is it the will of the majority of people in Arizona ? The law you are citing is not specifically against gays as your and so others are saying. If folks don't agree with the law it simple, stay out of Arizona.

If you're gay; fine that's your right. If I disagree with the gay lifestyle; fine that's my right. Just don't try to tell me what to think or not think.

PS: I never watch Duck Dynasty, but you're sure encouraging me to.

(02-24-2014 05:59 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:26 PM)Usajags Wrote:  This whole thread is a lot of what is wrong with this country today.

We are a Christian country founded on Christian values, as we lose those values we will lose our country.

Funny, I thought we were a country founded on religious freedoms, including freedom from a state religion.

You still a mod over here?

(02-24-2014 05:56 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:50 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:48 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:41 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  Is there a question for me here? Arizona should do whatever they want, AND be prepared to suffer whatever consequences people can bring against them for it.

Georgia is discussing it now too... But there's a big protest going on downtown. It won't pass. Kansas tried too.


Also The Atlanta mayor today announced he helped kick off a $1 million national campaign today to bring same sex marriage to georgia and other southern states

sorry, no gay marriage in the south

It's gonna happen. U can't stop it... Kentucky already allows it.

won't be happening in Louisiana

Your stupid if you think that...

Louisiana will allow it. And once the Supreme Court rules on it Louisiana won't have a choice.