(01-25-2014 03:53 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 09:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 09:54 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 09:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I was pointing out why the NCAA ranked us first.

We took a lot of losses this year, but I also look at our 11-3 record against G5 competition (WKU excluded) as a number that shows how competitive we really are.

I quickly went through the games against (2013) BCS teams they won. They beat Kentucky and Wake Forrest. The Sun Belt lost in the only game against the 2013 AQ-AAC conference and that game was against Memphis, who was tied for last in conference play.

Stop using G5 for 2013! The argument is inaccurate, it didn't exist.

I use G5 because that's what the competition will be next year. There is a lot of money on the line next year between the league that gets the BCS bid, and which league is declared the best after the bowls. I want to know how the Sun Belt will compete against those teams.

But, that doesn't matter. 2014 =\= 2013. If it did, UCF's year would put the AAC over the top. Remember they went to the Feista Bowl and beat Baylor, now which school from the Sun- belt could do that??????? I think not a one.

You guys are arguing points that no one has tried to make. No one has said that the Sun Belt in 2013 was a more powerful football conference than the ACC. It wasn't, obviously.

And no one is saying that the Sun Belt will be a more powerful for 2014 when the AAC moves back down to the G5 level.

What is being said is that if the Sun Belt can compete at the same level again this year (in the eyes of the NCAA) then it is conceivable that a Belt team could be selected over an AAC team for the access bowl slot. That scenario would likely require a team like the Cajuns to win one or both of their better OOC games (Ole Miss & Boise State) and then run the table on the Belt while the best AAC teams draw some blood against one another and tack on some losses.

And while all of us recognize and appreciate what UCF did for the G's by beating Baylor, that was last year. UCF may or may not be that team again this year. If they're anywhere near that team, they'll likely win the AAC and get the access bowl slot.

I believe that year in and year out the AAC in its current configuration will likely be the strongest GS football conference. But until we all see how the NCAA selection committee awards access bowl slots each year, we don't really know if the best strategy is to be a big fish in a small pond or the other way around.

Time will tell.

The problem for LaLa is that they must go undefeated to overcome a one loss AAC or MWC school. They play at Mississippi and at Boise. I don't see them winning both of those games

(01-25-2014 09:44 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The problem for LaLa is that they must go undefeated to overcome a one loss AAC or MWC school. They play at Mississippi and at Boise. I don't see them winning both of those games

True dat. I'm just glad that the Cajun program has advanced such that this type of discussion is even being held.

The team I'm worried about is someone from the MAC like Ball State they had good teams past few years and their non conference slate is

At Iowa
Indiana State
Colgate
At Army

They beat Iowa and they are in the running to go undefeated

(01-25-2014 09:50 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 09:44 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The problem for LaLa is that they must go undefeated to overcome a one loss AAC or MWC school. They play at Mississippi and at Boise. I don't see them winning both of those games

True dat. I'm just glad that the Cajun program has advanced such that this type of discussion is even being held.

You guys have done a good job in improving your program and should be proud of that. Keep winning on the field and who knows what will happen.

(01-25-2014 09:51 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The team I'm worried about is someone from the MAC like Ball State they had good teams past few years and their non conference slate is

At Iowa
Indiana State
Colgate
At Army

They beat Iowa and they are in the running to go undefeated

The good thing about the MAC's recent history is that their top team tends to falter in their conference championship game, thus eliminating them from the conversation.

(01-25-2014 09:51 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The team I'm worried about is someone from the MAC like Ball State they had good teams past few years and their non conference slate is

At Iowa
Indiana State
Colgate
At Army

They beat Iowa and they are in the running to go undefeated

Indeed. And perception-wise the MAC does well most years.

CB, do you think there'll ever be a possiblity of the NCAA going to a 16 team playoff with the champs from each of the G-5's getting a seat at the table?

(01-25-2014 09:51 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The team I'm worried about is someone from the MAC like Ball State they had good teams past few years and their non conference slate is

At Iowa
Indiana State
Colgate
At Army

They beat Iowa and they are in the running to go undefeated

ball state gets worse next year, the mac threat is BGSU, won the mac last year and return the core players

(01-25-2014 09:55 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 09:51 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The team I'm worried about is someone from the MAC like Ball State they had good teams past few years and their non conference slate is

At Iowa
Indiana State
Colgate
At Army

They beat Iowa and they are in the running to go undefeated

The good thing about the MAC's recent history is that their top team tends to falter in their conference championship game, thus eliminating them from the conversation.

Yes but I wouldn't want it to go down to the wire having to hope for a MAC championship upset because an undefeated MAC team with a pushover non conference schedule is higher rated

Starting in 2015 we won't know who is the G5 representative until after all championship games

(01-25-2014 09:55 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 09:51 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The team I'm worried about is someone from the MAC like Ball State they had good teams past few years and their non conference slate is

At Iowa
Indiana State
Colgate
At Army

They beat Iowa and they are in the running to go undefeated

The good thing about the MAC's recent history is that their top team tends to falter in their conference championship game, thus eliminating them from the conversation.

I recall reading the MAC forum here the night that NIU bit the bullet and someone asking how many millions of $ that loss cost the MAC. But, what's the opposition to do, roll over and give them the game?

(01-25-2014 09:56 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 09:51 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The team I'm worried about is someone from the MAC like Ball State they had good teams past few years and their non conference slate is

At Iowa
Indiana State
Colgate
At Army

They beat Iowa and they are in the running to go undefeated

Indeed. And perception-wise the MAC does well most years.

CB, do you think there'll ever be a possiblity of the NCAA going to a 16 team playoff with the champs from each of the G-5's getting a seat at the table?

Not any time soon.

I think we might see an 8 team playoff but still then only one slot for the best G5 champion but only if we meet some ranking like top 12 etc.

The 8 team playoff will come because as soon as the BigTen gets no teams two years in a row without making the playoffs they will push for the champs of each P5 conference and three at large. The G5 champ will have to be higher ranked than the three at large from P5

Don't see them ever opening it to every G5 champ

Bowling Green's schedule

At Wisconsin
Indiana
Virginia Military
At Western Kentucky

Beat Wisconsin and they will be running undefeated towards the MAC championship

(01-25-2014 10:00 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 09:55 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 09:51 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The team I'm worried about is someone from the MAC like Ball State they had good teams past few years and their non conference slate is

At Iowa
Indiana State
Colgate
At Army

They beat Iowa and they are in the running to go undefeated

The good thing about the MAC's recent history is that their top team tends to falter in their conference championship game, thus eliminating them from the conversation.

I recall reading the MAC forum here the night that NIU bit the bullet and someone asking how many millions of $ that loss cost the MAC. But, what's the opposition to do, roll over and give them the game?

Exactly...it's a really crazy situation now because you want to win your conference, but you also want to support/root for your conference opponents (beyond the OOC schedule). Most people in the past have liked to root for the underdog, but now, if its your conference, you don't want that kind of an upset to occur...

(01-25-2014 10:02 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 09:56 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 09:51 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The team I'm worried about is someone from the MAC like Ball State they had good teams past few years and their non conference slate is

At Iowa
Indiana State
Colgate
At Army

They beat Iowa and they are in the running to go undefeated

Indeed. And perception-wise the MAC does well most years.

CB, do you think there'll ever be a possiblity of the NCAA going to a 16 team playoff with the champs from each of the G-5's getting a seat at the table?

Not any time soon.

I think we might see an 8 team playoff but still then only one slot for the best G5 champion but only if we meet some ranking like top 12 etc.

The 8 team playoff will come because as soon as the BigTen gets no teams two years in a row without making the playoffs they will push for the champs of each P5 conference and three at large. The G5 champ will have to be higher ranked than the three at large from P5

Don't see them ever opening it to every G5 champ

Sounds logical. If a G5 team wishes to compete with the elites, they'll have to prove they're worthy.

The 16 team playoff has been discussed at length and, at least to me, seems like a balanced approach.....all the P-5 champs get in, the G-5 champs get in, and then 6 at-large are awarded, probably all going to P-5's.

I too doubt a 16 team playoff will ever become reality but if it did, it would be interesting to see its effect on realignment.

(01-25-2014 10:08 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 10:02 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 09:56 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 09:51 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The team I'm worried about is someone from the MAC like Ball State they had good teams past few years and their non conference slate is

At Iowa
Indiana State
Colgate
At Army

They beat Iowa and they are in the running to go undefeated

Indeed. And perception-wise the MAC does well most years.

CB, do you think there'll ever be a possiblity of the NCAA going to a 16 team playoff with the champs from each of the G-5's getting a seat at the table?

Not any time soon.

I think we might see an 8 team playoff but still then only one slot for the best G5 champion but only if we meet some ranking like top 12 etc.

The 8 team playoff will come because as soon as the BigTen gets no teams two years in a row without making the playoffs they will push for the champs of each P5 conference and three at large. The G5 champ will have to be higher ranked than the three at large from P5

Don't see them ever opening it to every G5 champ

Sounds logical. If a G5 team wishes to compete with the elites, they'll have to prove they're worthy.

The 16 team playoff has been discussed at length and, at least to me, seems like a balanced approach.....all the P-5 champs get in, the G-5 champs get in, and then 6 at-large are awarded, probably all going to P-5's.

I too doubt a 16 team playoff will ever become reality but if it did, it would be interesting to see its effect on realignment.

16 teams is the right way to go. I could see an eight team playoff where the gang of five slot just becomes an automatic bid to the tournament for the highest ranked champion again. Power five get automatic bids, gang of five gets one bid for highest ranked champion, and the two at-large bids to best non-champions. In that structure I bet you could see the first round being played at the home field of the highest seeded team a week after conference championship games. Heck the losers could still be available for bowl games, thus knocking out the gang of five teams from the Fiesta, Cotton, and Peach bowls. Meaning their post season experience will be a road game at a power five school and maybe a minor bowl game if they allow the losers to play one more game late in the bowl season.

(01-25-2014 10:35 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  16 teams is the right way to go. I could see an eight team playoff where the gang of five slot just becomes an automatic bid to the tournament for the highest ranked champion again. Power five get automatic bids, gang of five gets one bid for highest ranked champion, and the two at-large bids to best non-champions. In that structure I bet you could see the first round being played at the home field of the highest seeded team a week after conference championship games. Heck the losers could still be available for bowl games, thus knocking out the gang of five teams from the Fiesta, Cotton, and Peach bowls. Meaning their post season experience will be a road game at a power five school and maybe a minor bowl game if they allow the losers to play one more game late in the bowl season.

Interesting approach BC. I've not seen your ideas presented anywhere else....especially the concept of the losing teams in that first round still being eligible for a bowl game. Only problem I see is that those league championships are normally held in early December. Toss in another week and it might be pushing the bowl selection committee process too late into the month. A lot of fans also complain when they don't have enough time to reserve hotel rooms, flights, etc.

(01-25-2014 10:35 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  16 teams is the right way to go. I could see an eight team playoff where the gang of five slot just becomes an automatic bid to the tournament for the highest ranked champion again. Power five get automatic bids, gang of five gets one bid for highest ranked champion, and the two at-large bids to best non-champions. In that structure I bet you could see the first round being played at the home field of the highest seeded team a week after conference championship games. Heck the losers could still be available for bowl games, thus knocking out the gang of five teams from the Fiesta, Cotton, and Peach bowls. Meaning their post season experience will be a road game at a power five school and maybe a minor bowl game if they allow the losers to play one more game late in the bowl season.

In looking at an 8 team playoff, what would have happened if 2013's results happened in 2014 where if modification NUI and Fresno State won out to go undefeated? Obviously one of the teams would have gone to the Access Bowl. Wouldn't the other have been one of the at large teams? Both probably finished in the top 12 of the rankings maybe in the top 8. If I remember correctly 2 teams (what were be G5 teams back then), Boise and Utah (or was it someone else) both finished in the top 8 one year.

It's obvious the author didn't put much thought into G5 bowls. In addition to BOB, the AF and I bowls are also incorrect. Predicting CUSA to forego its' number one bowl (HOD) is beyond absurd. There are probably more inconsistencies, but I stopped reading after the first few.

Regarding the access bowl, it's a best guess right now. All that has been leaked so far is that the selection committee will take SOS into consideration. The BCS computers are a thing of the past. Will the selection committee ranking mirror the human polls?

G5 performance in 2013 AP/USA Today polls:

• Undefeated MWC first appears in both polls (AP/USA) in week five
• Undefeated MAC solidifies spots in both polls in week 7
• 1 loss AAC team debuts in week nine (ahead of MAC in AP)
• 1 loss AAC jumps undefeated MAC in both polls by week 12 while trailing undefeated MWC
  

Obviously UCF's conference win over ranked Louisville helped propel them upward. The overall strength of the AAC (in relation to the other G5) could aid in poll movement as the season progresses...or not. We'll just have to wait and see. Interesting that without the BCS computer rankings, a 1 loss AAC team would have been selected over an undefeated MAC team based on human polls alone.