RPI

#4 Villanova
#14 Creighton
#33 X
#50 GTown

Not bad IMHO. I like our ESPN exposure over what the Big East is getting for sure.

(01-17-2014 09:01 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 10:19 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Problem is major recruits need to find you on TV. The Big East is going to start sliding. You will see it on the court in a few years.

Major recruits will know how to find FS1. They will know where to find all of the basketball games. Trust me this isn't an issue.

Of course it is an issue. It has nothing to do with whether or not the recruits can find the games, it has to do with how big a tv audience the recruit will be playing to. Why go to the Big East and have an audience of 67,000 on tv when you can play on ESPN and have 500k to 1.5 million watching. Good Lord Bama, just because you read it on the AAC board doesn't mean you have to automatically disagree.

Speaking of the Big East, WTF is up with St. Johns. Last year their posters on the board
were talking how next year was the year and they are back to owning NYC and all of that.
They are 9-8 and 0-5 in conference play.

Glad we aren't on Fox Sports 1, I get it free here and have maybe watched 1 whole hour of sports on the channel since its inception.

ESPN was first to market when it comes to broadcasting weekday college bball and that is their biggest advantage.

(01-16-2014 09:03 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Makes you wonder how the casual fan feels about watching a league full of private schools where the only connection they share is geographic location...

And small alumni bases and smaller #'s of casual fans. Complete opposite of programs that carry states like Hoosiers, Jayhawks, ....

I have been an ESPN basher, but their coverage of the American has been really good so far. And the bottom line, and it's what I thought when the Big East basketball teams split, is that there is plenty of non Big East basketball inventory. Therefore, when you are looking for a game to watch, you can wander over to FS1, but you find yourself going back to one of the ESPN channels....and there are lots of folks that just stick with the ESPN channels and don't wander. ESPN has a way of making things appear more important than they are. Going to another network when channel surfing just makes it seem like that other stuff is amateur.

And finally, the real reality is that regular season college basketball has little actual value. Fox overpaid big time for the Big East, which is evident in the numbers. ESPN got a steal with the American deal, because it got the same quality basketball as the Big East and it also got football....which is where the real money is. Maybe Fox will wise up next time and spend its money on the rights of a conference that has football.

(01-17-2014 03:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 02:34 PM)Geotag Wrote:  Why are we wanting the Big East to fail?

I would guess as a Memphis fan you could not care less about the current Big East. For schools like UC, UConn, USF and Temple it is a bit personal. Not only is this current incarnation a mockery of what was the league, but for schools like UC and UConn it is insulting that members of that conference get higher television revenue than we do--- they do not even have football programs. UC and Temple also have the added factor of having a cross town rival in the BE. I can tell you as a UC alum it is a kick in the gut to see Xavier billboards around town promoting the Big East.

It's a bit personal for us too. They've always collectively looked down their noses at ECU.

(01-17-2014 03:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 09:03 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Makes you wonder how the casual fan feels about watching a league full of private schools where the only connection they share is geographic location...

And small alumni bases and smaller #'s of casual fans. Complete opposite of programs that carry states like Hoosiers, Jayhawks, ....

I'm wondering how many they have in general. Not even speaking state-wide or anything. I'm sure Cincy has it's fair share of casual fans. I know we have quite a few that live in the region/state and end up loving the program (my great uncle was like that.. Graduated from OU..moved to the area, fell in love with Pirate athletics..became a big donor).

I'm sure we all have our fair share in our regions.. but really, who moves to Cincy and is like "oh i'm just going to watch Xavier all of the time"? It's probably more Cincy or OSU. It kind of turns me off to them i'm thinking "oh why should I watch this league of private-catholic universities when I didn't go to one of them?" It used to be fun to watch the small school try to knock off Uconn, Cuse, Cincy, UL, etc, but now it's just like "ehh have fun.. I don't care."

Figured I'd chime in here but I'm sure I'll get blasted. Not many Big East fans on CSNBBS anymore (we all went to a different board).

Although the ratings aren't great, it's unfair to compare FS1 to ESPN/ESPN2. They already have a built in viewership. They pretty much own the rights to every conference. They can pick and choose the best matchups to put on TV. Any game you put on those networks will be higher than FS1 no matter whose playing. A better comparison is ESPNU. Although they have lower viewership than FS1, they've been around longer so more fans know where it is on the dial. Those numbers are pretty comparable as most of their basketball games get a 0.0 to 0.2 rating. Another thing to consider, pretty much ALL our non-conference games are being shown. This means that Manchester, NJIT, Chicago State and what not are being shown on national TV. That's great for Big East fans, but the casual fan is not going to care about those games and thus the low ratings. On the flipside, teams like Syracuse, they play a ton of cupcakes and get their games on ESPN3. I think most of us would choose to have our cupcake games on FS1 than ESPN3. Conference play ratings have been better for the Big East (not surprisingly) and usually average a 0.1 rating which is usually the average for a college basketball game.

It's nice that the American gets games on ESPN. I love college basketball in general and have watched a few American games. But let's be realistic, your games are mostly on ESPNU and ESPNEWS. Ratings wise, FS1 is better than ESPNU (although basketball ratings are about the same) and ESPNEWS is even worse.

Lastly, FS1 is a work in progress. We have a 12 year deal. Rights for NFL Thursday is up for bid this year and NBA/Big Ten in 2015/2016. Fox will get one of those 3 and ratings will go up eventually. Murdoch has deep pockets.

(01-17-2014 03:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 09:01 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 10:19 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Problem is major recruits need to find you on TV. The Big East is going to start sliding. You will see it on the court in a few years.

Major recruits will know how to find FS1. They will know where to find all of the basketball games. Trust me this isn't an issue.

Of course it is an issue. It has nothing to do with whether or not the recruits can find the games, it has to do with how big a tv audience the recruit will be playing to. Why go to the Big East and have an audience of 67,000 on tv when you can play on ESPN and have 500k to 1.5 million watching. Good Lord Bama, just because you read it on the AAC board doesn't mean you have to automatically disagree.

Par for the course.

Also, sorry Cincy guy but these other schools have a lot invested as well. Go cry somewhere else.

(01-17-2014 08:43 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  Not many Big East fans on CSNBBS anymore (we all went to a different board).

Where did y'all go?

(01-17-2014 10:18 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 08:43 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  Not many Big East fans on CSNBBS anymore (we all went to a different board).

Where did y'all go?

holylandofhoops

(01-17-2014 10:18 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 08:43 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  Not many Big East fans on CSNBBS anymore (we all went to a different board).

Where did y'all go?

Hanging out with the viewers

Fox Sports 1 looks like a death penalty for an athletic program. Now they paid $4 million per team to get nobody to watch. I don't think it will work having a bunch of tiny colleges on a new network. On brighthouse networks in Orlando we get Fs1 but is comes at the back end of all the sports channels. So usually nobody makes it that far.

(01-16-2014 08:17 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:16 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Um...I'm pretty sure they are still getting paid more regardless of the ratings. Simply put Small schools = Small Ratings, with the exception of Duke, Fox was just overvaluing getting into the CBB game.

Yes but did they get enough money to sacrifice exposure?

As a Georgetown fan, I can say I'm very pleased. For an already-established school like the Hoyas, money is worth FAR more than 'exposure', as exposure is only valuable if it eventually translates into money.

But as a USF fan, the issue is dicier. We both know USF athletics can use all the money it can get, so the FOX deal would seem to be a no-brainer. But on the other hand, we are a building program, trying to make a name, and exposure does matter for a school like ours.

Bottom line: Of course I wish USF could have both money and exposure, but if forced to choose one, I'd take FOX's money. But it's a much closer call, and being on the ESPN channels is some compensation for not getting the money.

(01-18-2014 11:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:17 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:16 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Um...I'm pretty sure they are still getting paid more regardless of the ratings. Simply put Small schools = Small Ratings, with the exception of Duke, Fox was just overvaluing getting into the CBB game.

Yes but did they get enough money to sacrifice exposure?

As a Georgetown fan, I can say I'm very pleased. For an already-established school like the Hoyas, money is worth FAR more than 'exposure', as exposure is only valuable if it eventually translates into money.

But as a USF fan, the issue is dicier. We both know USF athletics can use all the money it can get, so the FOX deal would seem to be a no-brainer. But on the other hand, we are a building program, trying to make a name, and exposure does matter for a school like ours.

Bottom line: Of course I wish USF could have both money and exposure, but if forced to choose one, I'd take FOX's money. But it's a much closer call, and being on the ESPN channels is some compensation for not getting the money.

I disagree as a USF fan the extra money FOX is giving wouldn't make up for the exposure our program needs.

(01-18-2014 11:18 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:17 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:16 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Um...I'm pretty sure they are still getting paid more regardless of the ratings. Simply put Small schools = Small Ratings, with the exception of Duke, Fox was just overvaluing getting into the CBB game.

Yes but did they get enough money to sacrifice exposure?

As a Georgetown fan, I can say I'm very pleased. For an already-established school like the Hoyas, money is worth FAR more than 'exposure', as exposure is only valuable if it eventually translates into money.

But as a USF fan, the issue is dicier. We both know USF athletics can use all the money it can get, so the FOX deal would seem to be a no-brainer. But on the other hand, we are a building program, trying to make a name, and exposure does matter for a school like ours.

Bottom line: Of course I wish USF could have both money and exposure, but if forced to choose one, I'd take FOX's money. But it's a much closer call, and being on the ESPN channels is some compensation for not getting the money.

I disagree as a USF fan the extra money FOX is giving wouldn't make up for the exposure our program needs.

Let's look at USF national TV exposure going forward this year, discounting vs Louisville and Rutgers since they won't be with us next year:

vs Cincy: ESPNu
vs Memphis: CBSSN
vs SMU: ESPNNews
vs Cincy: CBSSN
vs UCF: ESPNnews
vs Rutgers: ESPNnews
vs UConn: ESPN2
vs UCF: EspnNews
vs UConn: CBSSN
vs Houston: ESPNnews
vs Temple: ESPNnews

That's:

6 games on ESPNnews
1 game on ESPN2
1 game on ESPNu
3 on CBSSN

... and these are from the meat of the schedule, with 2 games each vs big names UConn and Cincy, one each vs big names Memphis and Temple and quasi-name Houston, and two against rival UCF, basically all of our higher-profile conference mates going forward.

I am just not sure how much exposure we are getting from this? ESPNu games get peanuts ratings compared to ESPN/ESPN2, and ESPN News isn't even listed, probably way down there too, and that's essentially where are games are being played, not on the big-exposure ESPN and ESPN2 channels. And more than a quarter of our games have been downloaded to CBSSN.

Seems like the ESPNu/News numbers are so low they don't nearly make up for the money, even though they are better than FS1. I mean, if ESPNU gets a .3 rating vs a .1 on FS1, that's three times more but it's still miniscule exposure. It's like having a 2 inch c*ck instead of a 1 incher.

Remember, those Big East teams are getting more money for their basketball than we are for EVERYTHING. Quite a bit more.

(01-18-2014 11:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:18 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:17 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:16 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Um...I'm pretty sure they are still getting paid more regardless of the ratings. Simply put Small schools = Small Ratings, with the exception of Duke, Fox was just overvaluing getting into the CBB game.

Yes but did they get enough money to sacrifice exposure?

As a Georgetown fan, I can say I'm very pleased. For an already-established school like the Hoyas, money is worth FAR more than 'exposure', as exposure is only valuable if it eventually translates into money.

But as a USF fan, the issue is dicier. We both know USF athletics can use all the money it can get, so the FOX deal would seem to be a no-brainer. But on the other hand, we are a building program, trying to make a name, and exposure does matter for a school like ours.

Bottom line: Of course I wish USF could have both money and exposure, but if forced to choose one, I'd take FOX's money. But it's a much closer call, and being on the ESPN channels is some compensation for not getting the money.

I disagree as a USF fan the extra money FOX is giving wouldn't make up for the exposure our program needs.

Let's look at USF national TV exposure going forward this year, discounting vs Louisville and Rutgers since they won't be with us next year:

vs Cincy: ESPNu 5PM
vs Memphis: CBSSN 2PM
vs SMU: ESPNNews: 7PM
vs Cincy: CBSSN 12PM
vs UCF: ESPNnews 7PM
vs Rutgers: ESPNnews
vs UConn: ESPN2
vs UCF: EspnNews
vs UConn: CBSSN
vs Houston: ESPNnews
vs Temple: ESPNnews

That's:

6 games on ESPNnews
1 game on ESPN2
1 game on ESPNu
3 on CBSSN

... and these are from the meat of the schedule, with 2 games each vs UConn, Cincy, rival UCF, Temple, Rutgers, and Houston, basically all of our higher-profile conference mates going forward.

I am just not sure how much exposure we are getting from this?

What do you think we would be getting if we had a Big East tv contract and with our current record and history in basketball? I can't even imagine it because we wouldn't even be on FS1

(01-18-2014 11:39 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:18 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:17 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Yes but did they get enough money to sacrifice exposure?

As a Georgetown fan, I can say I'm very pleased. For an already-established school like the Hoyas, money is worth FAR more than 'exposure', as exposure is only valuable if it eventually translates into money.

But as a USF fan, the issue is dicier. We both know USF athletics can use all the money it can get, so the FOX deal would seem to be a no-brainer. But on the other hand, we are a building program, trying to make a name, and exposure does matter for a school like ours.

Bottom line: Of course I wish USF could have both money and exposure, but if forced to choose one, I'd take FOX's money. But it's a much closer call, and being on the ESPN channels is some compensation for not getting the money.

I disagree as a USF fan the extra money FOX is giving wouldn't make up for the exposure our program needs.

Let's look at USF national TV exposure going forward this year, discounting vs Louisville and Rutgers since they won't be with us next year:

vs Cincy: ESPNu 5PM
vs Memphis: CBSSN 2PM
vs SMU: ESPNNews: 7PM
vs Cincy: CBSSN 12PM
vs UCF: ESPNnews 7PM
vs Rutgers: ESPNnews
vs UConn: ESPN2
vs UCF: EspnNews
vs UConn: CBSSN
vs Houston: ESPNnews
vs Temple: ESPNnews

That's:

6 games on ESPNnews
1 game on ESPN2
1 game on ESPNu
3 on CBSSN

... and these are from the meat of the schedule, with 2 games each vs UConn, Cincy, rival UCF, Temple, Rutgers, and Houston, basically all of our higher-profile conference mates going forward.

I am just not sure how much exposure we are getting from this?

What do you think we would be getting if we had a Big East tv contract and with our current record and history in basketball? I can't even imagine it because we wouldn't even be on FS1

They'd have to put us somewhere, probably downloaded to CBSSN (where we are playing 1/4 of our conference games this year anyway). Again, that's lower ratings than ESPNnews, but the latter is so low I don't see how that can make up for the huge difference in money.

I would take ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU over FS1
That's 6 games this year that USF has that would be better exposure
7 games are on ESPNnews which is about the same exposure of FS1
5 are on CBS network

(01-18-2014 11:53 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I would take ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU over FS1
That's 6 games this year that USF has that would be better exposure
7 games are on ESPNnews which is about the same exposure of FS1
5 are on CBS network

FS1 gets better ratings than CBS network and ESPNU overall. It's not even close. As for just basketball games, ESPNU = FS1 >>>>> ESPNNEWS. Now if you have games on ESPN or ESPN2, it is >>>>>>than anything else except CBS.