(01-14-2014 03:41 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 03:05 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Not seeing a tremendous cusa desire by anyone.

And if we were honest with our self and CUSA was talking about adding 1 or 2 schools I think you would see "that desire" by every school mention.


It's very easy to say "Not seeing a tremendous cusa desire by anyone" when we all know there is no offers being considered.

There is a desire for CUSA by every school in the SBC and to say other wise is just lying to yourself


GSU just about begged for a invite

ASU fans were crawling up the walls of their message board wanting out of the SBC just a few weeks ago

ULL fans made their voice heard on how they felt with the addition of G Southern and App

USA fans know they are a few years away from any move just because their football program is too new along with the current makeup of CUSA it would be tough getting the invite

A lot of TXST fans have voiced a opinion about wanting in CUSA


So lets get real there might not be that "desire" from the App, Troy, ULM, and G. Southern fans but we know the reason for that...don't we?

It seems like there is always a friendly WKU or MTSU fan lurking around to tell us how desperate we are to be in the paradise that is CUSA.

It reminds me of Kentucky fans chanting "SEC" at a football game. Or a guy who inherits his dad's fortune and then brags about how rich he is.

Yeah, your conference situation might be better, but it has nothing to do with you. The bowl tie ins, tv contract, and name recognition are thanks to 1 current member (Southern Miss) and a bunch of schools who left.

So yes, as of today, anybody in the Sun Belt would leave to join CUSA. Congrats. It has nothing to do with WKU or FIU or ODU, and everything to do with the spoils that are left over from the ECUs and UCFs and TCUs. The gap between sun belt and CUSA has been closing the last couple of years, and it will keep closing as we get further and further away from the glory years of CUSA.

(01-14-2014 03:41 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  A lot of TXST fans have voiced a opinion about wanting in CUSA

To be fair, most of that noise came from me. I still want in CUSA. Not because of prestige factor or anything like that. I want us in CUSA due to the western division being compact and full of other Texas schools (kinda redundant to say, since really... you can't be compact and not in Texas for us).

(01-14-2014 06:39 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 08:38 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Always Sunny, you are missing the forest for the trees.

C-USA isn't going to hit their high in football ever again. FIU, FAU, Charlotte and ODU will never be Cincinatti or Louisville. Period. UNT, WKU and MTSU could, but it just isn't likely in any reasonable scenario.Top to bottom, they are not the league that garnered the last TV contract, which is the only thing that keeps them above the SBC.

But the issue will soon arise to costs of leaving the SBC in exit fees and joining C-USA in entrance fees, as well as increased cost of doing business in C-USA, ie. higher travel costs (El Paso to Norfolk) and lower share of playoff money (playoff money divided by 14 in CUSA versus 12 in SBC) where it doesn't make financial sense. It made sense for the first round of SBC defectors and even WKU to a smaller degree. Anyone else may find they spend more money to get less and ultimately would have less money than had they stayed in the Belt.

Now I could be wrong and C-USA is able to negotiate an awesome TV contract and it is all a mute point. However, given both their low ratings on TV and the trend for TV contracts to be smaller, my guess is that C-USA will get a smaller deal.

Now if we are talking the AAC, then yea, an SBC school would jump, but I just have a hard time thinking a school like SMU, Cincinnati or UConn would be okay with that.

As I see it, there are three likely scenarios if AAC expands, takes a couple of C-USA schools and the C-USA TV contract isn't what it was, with the first more likely the the next. 1) C-USA stays pat at 12, thereby increasing each schools playoff money check, addition by subtraction. 2) Sun Belt and C-USA schools realign themselves within a tighter footprint, keeping two conferences, but dividing them in the east and west. 3) C-USA adds FCS schools. Only one of those increases the payouts to the schools while only one decreases travel costs.

wow glad we can use a forecaster and save millions for ODU. Poor guys at ODU think they are going to go somewhere big in the future. Your prediction would save them millions. Save your predictions to your school and to yourself will ya.

I bolded the relevant part of it for you chief. Let me sum up. ODU is already in, therefore what I said doesn't pertain to you. However, if a team in 2016 wants to leave it may not. I am assuming ODU won't leave and then want to come back in such a short time. Therefore, what I said has no relevance to ODU. Thanks for playing.

(01-14-2014 06:44 PM)Redwolves06 Wrote:  Cusa bowl situation is much better than ours and there should be no arguments on that..

Current yes, but to try to make it out like C-USA got so many bowls in the last contract cycle is false. Per team, they got just as many as the Belt did, and they lost one while the Belt didn't.

(01-14-2014 03:05 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Not seeing a tremendous cusa desire by anyone.

See UL-L

(01-14-2014 08:56 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 06:39 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 08:38 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Always Sunny, you are missing the forest for the trees.

C-USA isn't going to hit their high in football ever again. FIU, FAU, Charlotte and ODU will never be Cincinatti or Louisville. Period. UNT, WKU and MTSU could, but it just isn't likely in any reasonable scenario.Top to bottom, they are not the league that garnered the last TV contract, which is the only thing that keeps them above the SBC.

But the issue will soon arise to costs of leaving the SBC in exit fees and joining C-USA in entrance fees, as well as increased cost of doing business in C-USA, ie. higher travel costs (El Paso to Norfolk) and lower share of playoff money (playoff money divided by 14 in CUSA versus 12 in SBC) where it doesn't make financial sense. It made sense for the first round of SBC defectors and even WKU to a smaller degree. Anyone else may find they spend more money to get less and ultimately would have less money than had they stayed in the Belt.

Now I could be wrong and C-USA is able to negotiate an awesome TV contract and it is all a mute point. However, given both their low ratings on TV and the trend for TV contracts to be smaller, my guess is that C-USA will get a smaller deal.

Now if we are talking the AAC, then yea, an SBC school would jump, but I just have a hard time thinking a school like SMU, Cincinnati or UConn would be okay with that.

As I see it, there are three likely scenarios if AAC expands, takes a couple of C-USA schools and the C-USA TV contract isn't what it was, with the first more likely the the next. 1) C-USA stays pat at 12, thereby increasing each schools playoff money check, addition by subtraction. 2) Sun Belt and C-USA schools realign themselves within a tighter footprint, keeping two conferences, but dividing them in the east and west. 3) C-USA adds FCS schools. Only one of those increases the payouts to the schools while only one decreases travel costs.

wow glad we can use a forecaster and save millions for ODU. Poor guys at ODU think they are going to go somewhere big in the future. Your prediction would save them millions. Save your predictions to your school and to yourself will ya.

I bolded the relevant part of it for you chief. Let me sum up. ODU is already in, therefore what I said doesn't pertain to you. However, if a team in 2016 wants to leave it may not. I am assuming ODU won't leave and then want to come back in such a short time. Therefore, what I said has no relevance to ODU. Thanks for playing.

Don't know WTH you are talking about. I am talking about your prediction of ODU (bolded) never making it on the big stage sheriff makes sense now?.

(01-14-2014 07:25 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 03:41 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 03:05 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Not seeing a tremendous cusa desire by anyone.

And if we were honest with our self and CUSA was talking about adding 1 or 2 schools I think you would see "that desire" by every school mention.


It's very easy to say "Not seeing a tremendous cusa desire by anyone" when we all know there is no offers being considered.

There is a desire for CUSA by every school in the SBC and to say other wise is just lying to yourself


GSU just about begged for a invite

ASU fans were crawling up the walls of their message board wanting out of the SBC just a few weeks ago

ULL fans made their voice heard on how they felt with the addition of G Southern and App

USA fans know they are a few years away from any move just because their football program is too new along with the current makeup of CUSA it would be tough getting the invite

A lot of TXST fans have voiced a opinion about wanting in CUSA


So lets get real there might not be that "desire" from the App, Troy, ULM, and G. Southern fans but we know the reason for that...don't we?

It seems like there is always a friendly WKU or MTSU fan lurking around to tell us how desperate we are to be in the paradise that is CUSA.

It reminds me of Kentucky fans chanting "SEC" at a football game. Or a guy who inherits his dad's fortune and then brags about how rich he is.

Yeah, your conference situation might be better, but it has nothing to do with you. The bowl tie ins, tv contract, and name recognition are thanks to 1 current member (Southern Miss) and a bunch of schools who left.

So yes, as of today, anybody in the Sun Belt would leave to join CUSA. Congrats. It has nothing to do with WKU or FIU or ODU, and everything to do with the spoils that are left over from the ECUs and UCFs and TCUs. The gap between sun belt and CUSA has been closing the last couple of years, and it will keep closing as we get further and further away from the glory years of CUSA.

No where did I say or even hint to CUSA's history, or future, or any school in the conference. It doesn't matter for one reason or another it's just a better fit for each of us.

For some it's better basketball, for others rivals, for others easier travel. For what ever the reason there's not one SBC school that would turn down a invite To say other wise is not being honest.

With that out of the way the larger upside is CUSA and it has to do with the cities in both conferences. In a perfect world if the SBC and CUSA played to their best CUSA would come out on the winning side of the TV contract. No matter what that is I doubt if it's a lot of money but still more of it.

Some years the SBC will have a better overall season in football, some years CUSA. But what I see a lot of on this board is looking at the SBC through ...the magical SBC glasses. Sure GSU, TXST, APP or GSouthern could build very good FBS programs. But you can also say the very same things about any of the new comers in CUSA. Same thing goes for the FU's.

Money doesn't always mean success but it helps in some ways and with stadiums built and Miami and sunny beaches as a backdrop to me the FU's are just the right hire away from being very good FBS programs...again.


As far as fan support the SBC has programs located in perfect cities that for the most part support their school...when they are winning and the drop off isn't as large even in a down year.

To me it's not CUSA vs SBC as to which has better football to me it's just the better overall fit. In a perfect world...UNT, the MUTS and the FU's would have stayed and the SBC would have picked off the best of the rest of CUSA....NMST, Idaho, would be without a home and UALR and TX Arlington would be in a basketball only conference

that would have left GSU, G Southern and App would still be FCS or in CUSA if CUSA wanted to survive.


Anyways it might not be much but what every it is CUSA is just a better fit for our schools and I think if we are honest ...all of us know that.

(01-14-2014 08:58 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 06:44 PM)Redwolves06 Wrote:  Cusa bowl situation is much better than ours and there should be no arguments on that..

Current yes, but to try to make it out like C-USA got so many bowls in the last contract cycle is false. Per team, they got just as many as the Belt did, and they lost one while the Belt didn't.

I'm not sure why you're even attempting to argue this point. They have 5 tie ins, the Sunbelt has 2. People were talking as if they would basically lose everything simply because of the 3 teams that left and it didn't happen. THAT was my point. As far as the "no one seems to be seeking to move to CUSA" comment, sure... maybe not fans on a message board but i'm rather sure school presidents wouldn't feel the same.

Next year the SBC will have 3 bowl games, and (IIRC) the CUSA will remain at a 5 (still better with more prestigious opponents). Hopefully the LR bowl will be aproved and the SBC will have a respectable 4 bowl games.

Also, it will be very interesting to see what happens when TV contracts are renegotiated. I see the SBC getting a boost if the numbers continue to grow and the CUSA dropping a bit. Which would make jumping to the CUSA less appealing.

Now I do understand the geography and rivalry situation for some schools. But some of this "peer" talk is becoming insulting. I would really hope that the G5 conferences realize it is in their best interest to reorganize to make tighter geographic conferences and divisions which will lead to greater interest from fans and support for their programs. It will also lead to better rivalries. I know "not gonna happen", but it is still a good idea.

(01-15-2014 07:42 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 08:58 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 06:44 PM)Redwolves06 Wrote:  Cusa bowl situation is much better than ours and there should be no arguments on that..

Current yes, but to try to make it out like C-USA got so many bowls in the last contract cycle is false. Per team, they got just as many as the Belt did, and they lost one while the Belt didn't.

I'm not sure why you're even attempting to argue this point. They have 5 tie ins, the Sunbelt has 2. People were talking as if they would basically lose everything simply because of the 3 teams that left and it didn't happen. THAT was my point. As far as the "no one seems to be seeking to move to CUSA" comment, sure... maybe not fans on a message board but i'm rather sure school presidents wouldn't feel the same.

The point others were making was that the CUSA got those nice bowl games based on teams that are no longer there. The current group hasn't shown it can support those bowl games and just maybe when those contracts are up they may see the SBC teams as more appealing. Just a possibility.
Also, I think the fans are more into moving into various conferences based on perception and stuff. I hope the presidents and board members would look harder at the bottom line and what is actually going to improve the whole university.

(01-14-2014 03:41 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 03:05 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Not seeing a tremendous cusa desire by anyone.

And if we were honest with our self and CUSA was talking about adding 1 or 2 schools I think you would see "that desire" by every school mention.


It's very easy to say "Not seeing a tremendous cusa desire by anyone" when we all know there is no offers being considered.

There is a desire for CUSA by every school in the SBC and to say other wise is just lying to yourself


GSU just about begged for a invite

ASU fans were crawling up the walls of their message board wanting out of the SBC just a few weeks ago

ULL fans made their voice heard on how they felt with the addition of G Southern and App

USA fans know they are a few years away from any move just because their football program is too new along with the current makeup of CUSA it would be tough getting the invite

A lot of TXST fans have voiced a opinion about wanting in CUSA


So lets get real there might not be that "desire" from the App, Troy, ULM, and G. Southern fans but we know the reason for that...don't we?

Just curious, what is the reason you're referring to? Markets? If so, Bowling Green isn't much bigger than Monroe.

(01-15-2014 02:24 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 03:41 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 03:05 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Not seeing a tremendous cusa desire by anyone.

And if we were honest with our self and CUSA was talking about adding 1 or 2 schools I think you would see "that desire" by every school mention.


It's very easy to say "Not seeing a tremendous cusa desire by anyone" when we all know there is no offers being considered.

There is a desire for CUSA by every school in the SBC and to say other wise is just lying to yourself


GSU just about begged for a invite

ASU fans were crawling up the walls of their message board wanting out of the SBC just a few weeks ago

ULL fans made their voice heard on how they felt with the addition of G Southern and App

USA fans know they are a few years away from any move just because their football program is too new along with the current makeup of CUSA it would be tough getting the invite

A lot of TXST fans have voiced a opinion about wanting in CUSA


So lets get real there might not be that "desire" from the App, Troy, ULM, and G. Southern fans but we know the reason for that...don't we?

Just curious, what is the reason you're referring to? Markets? If so, Bowling Green isn't much bigger than Monroe.

Condition of the overall sports programs is mainly what I was talking about.

Me personally, could care less about market size, but I know it plays a role in potential eyes for TV ads. While the BG market isn't large we always had a presents in the Nashville market. Not so much over the past 20+ years but it's there. Small at this point but still there and with winning can grow.

Also Western is only a 45-60 minute bus ride from the Nashville airport. When you think about it...a lot of schools in the same city of a major airport are still 30-45 minutes bus ride.


Western was suppose to go to CUSA with the MUTS but FIU needed a partner and a deal was made. I don't kid myself into thinking the Western move to CUSA was for anything other than.....the overall condition of our sports programs. For Western it was the right move for basketball and even football when you consider Western went to 1 bowl game over the past 3 years...7-5 (2nd in the conference) 7-5, and 8-4

(01-15-2014 02:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 02:24 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 03:41 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 03:05 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Not seeing a tremendous cusa desire by anyone.

And if we were honest with our self and CUSA was talking about adding 1 or 2 schools I think you would see "that desire" by every school mention.


It's very easy to say "Not seeing a tremendous cusa desire by anyone" when we all know there is no offers being considered.

There is a desire for CUSA by every school in the SBC and to say other wise is just lying to yourself


GSU just about begged for a invite

ASU fans were crawling up the walls of their message board wanting out of the SBC just a few weeks ago

ULL fans made their voice heard on how they felt with the addition of G Southern and App

USA fans know they are a few years away from any move just because their football program is too new along with the current makeup of CUSA it would be tough getting the invite

A lot of TXST fans have voiced a opinion about wanting in CUSA


So lets get real there might not be that "desire" from the App, Troy, ULM, and G. Southern fans but we know the reason for that...don't we?

Just curious, what is the reason you're referring to? Markets? If so, Bowling Green isn't much bigger than Monroe.

Condition of the overall sports programs is mainly what I was talking about.

Me personally, could care less about market size, but I know it plays a role in potential eyes for TV ads. While the BG market isn't large we always had a presents in the Nashville market. Not so much over the past 20+ years but it's there. Small at this point but still there and with winning can grow.

Also Western is only a 45-60 minute bus ride from the Nashville airport. When you think about it...a lot of schools in the same city of a major airport are still 30-45 minutes bus ride.


Western was suppose to go to CUSA with the MUTS but FIU needed a partner and a deal was made. I don't kid myself into thinking the Western move to CUSA was for anything other than.....the overall condition of our sports programs. For Western it was the right move for basketball and even football when you consider Western went to 1 bowl game over the past 3 years...7-5 (2nd in the conference) 7-5, and 8-4

Seems a little silly to say we have no interest because of sports conditions, especially when it comes to football... nice indoor football training facility... nvm

(01-15-2014 02:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Condition of the overall sports programs is mainly what I was talking about.

Me personally, could care less about market size, but I know it plays a role in potential eyes for TV ads. While the BG market isn't large we always had a presents in the Nashville market. Not so much over the past 20+ years but it's there. Small at this point but still there and with winning can grow.

Also Western is only a 45-60 minute bus ride from the Nashville airport. When you think about it...a lot of schools in the same city of a major airport are still 30-45 minutes bus ride.


Western was suppose to go to CUSA with the MUTS but FIU needed a partner and a deal was made. I don't kid myself into thinking the Western move to CUSA was for anything other than.....the overall condition of our sports programs. For Western it was the right move for basketball and even football when you consider Western went to 1 bowl game over the past 3 years...7-5 (2nd in the conference) 7-5, and 8-4

While I can't really claim to know much about Troy or ULM, I do know that our (ASU) overall sports programs are doing just fine. We've won 34 of the last 37 SOCON Commissioner's Cups, which goes to the top overall men's athletic program, and 10 of the 25 Germann Cups, which go to the top overall women's athletic program. Yes, our basketball is terrible now, but we have more than made up for it in other sports.

(01-15-2014 03:07 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 02:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Condition of the overall sports programs is mainly what I was talking about.

Me personally, could care less about market size, but I know it plays a role in potential eyes for TV ads. While the BG market isn't large we always had a presents in the Nashville market. Not so much over the past 20+ years but it's there. Small at this point but still there and with winning can grow.

Also Western is only a 45-60 minute bus ride from the Nashville airport. When you think about it...a lot of schools in the same city of a major airport are still 30-45 minutes bus ride.


Western was suppose to go to CUSA with the MUTS but FIU needed a partner and a deal was made. I don't kid myself into thinking the Western move to CUSA was for anything other than.....the overall condition of our sports programs. For Western it was the right move for basketball and even football when you consider Western went to 1 bowl game over the past 3 years...7-5 (2nd in the conference) 7-5, and 8-4

While I can't really claim to know much about Troy or ULM, I do know that our (ASU) overall sports programs are doing just fine. We've won 34 of the last 37 SOCON Commissioner's Cups, which goes to the top overall men's athletic program, and 10 of the 25 Germann Cups, which go to the top overall women's athletic program. Yes, our basketball is terrible now, but we have more than made up for it in other sports.

I've never been to Boone NC but from looking at it on a map I would say travel is a major negative for App. also. But what do I know?...let me answer that, not much, just using good old common sense and we all know that doesn't have a place in conference moves :)

But lets make no mistakes about it...

a top 20 to 30 football or basketball program will out weight just about any other negatives. It will also top all other positives...

unless a conference is looking for possible TV eyes

(01-15-2014 03:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 03:07 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 02:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Condition of the overall sports programs is mainly what I was talking about.

Me personally, could care less about market size, but I know it plays a role in potential eyes for TV ads. While the BG market isn't large we always had a presents in the Nashville market. Not so much over the past 20+ years but it's there. Small at this point but still there and with winning can grow.

Also Western is only a 45-60 minute bus ride from the Nashville airport. When you think about it...a lot of schools in the same city of a major airport are still 30-45 minutes bus ride.


Western was suppose to go to CUSA with the MUTS but FIU needed a partner and a deal was made. I don't kid myself into thinking the Western move to CUSA was for anything other than.....the overall condition of our sports programs. For Western it was the right move for basketball and even football when you consider Western went to 1 bowl game over the past 3 years...7-5 (2nd in the conference) 7-5, and 8-4

While I can't really claim to know much about Troy or ULM, I do know that our (ASU) overall sports programs are doing just fine. We've won 34 of the last 37 SOCON Commissioner's Cups, which goes to the top overall men's athletic program, and 10 of the 25 Germann Cups, which go to the top overall women's athletic program. Yes, our basketball is terrible now, but we have more than made up for it in other sports.

I've never been to Boone NC but from looking at it on a map I would say travel is a major negative for App. also. But what do I know?...let me answer that, not much, just using good old common sense and we all know that doesn't have a place in conference moves :)

But lets make no mistakes about it...

a top 20 to 30 football or basketball program will out weight just about any other negatives. It will also top all other positives...

unless a conference is looking for possible TV eyes

Regional airport with thought of expanding it for the school and now the road from Charlotte to Boone is becoming a 4 lane, only a small part still needing expansion which is happening at this very moment


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