(01-07-2014 12:24 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  Change the mascot and obviously the logo, improve the stadium using donor (head coach) money and manage to get further then the first round next year and I wouldn't mind seeing them in the SBC, would give us a more regional rival then geo south, would give me an excuse to go to the myrtle area and would actually be able to be an app rival unlike UNCC who probably is too scared to play us, could call it the battle of the mountains and the sea or something


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A lot of worse places to go every other year. I could definitely get into taking a couple of extra days for some golf on either side of the football game.

(01-11-2014 11:37 PM)AppinATL Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 12:24 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  Change the mascot and obviously the logo, improve the stadium using donor (head coach) money and manage to get further then the first round next year and I wouldn't mind seeing them in the SBC, would give us a more regional rival then geo south, would give me an excuse to go to the myrtle area and would actually be able to be an app rival unlike UNCC who probably is too scared to play us, could call it the battle of the mountains and the sea or something


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A lot of worse places to go every other year. I could definitely get into taking a couple of extra days for some golf on either side of the football game.

I think the location is something we can all agree as great, if for no other reason then the sweet vacation excuse


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(01-10-2014 02:01 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The best options for the Sun Belt are:

1. Missouri State
2. Texas Arlington
3. North Florida
4. Kennesaw State
5. Tennessee - Chattanooga
6. Florida Gulf Coast
7. Valdosta State
8. UNO

not bad... my list goes like this (if we can't get Southern Miss to join the conference ) :

1. UTA restart football
2. Lamar
3. Missouri State
4. Coastal Carolina
5. UT Chattanooga
6. UNF upstart football program

No. UMass is a dumpster fire and will get a bid to the American the second they finish 6-6 or better.
Some us guys in the MAC would be more than happy to give you UMass! We will even throw in a Directional of YOUR CHOICE for no additional charge in the deal!

NDSU, on the other hand, has a greater probability of success at the FBS level and, lets be real, isn't going anywhere unless they start qualifying for and winning Access Bowls.
I don't see NDSU making the jump, IMO. On the MAC boards a while back, there was talk about adding them. It was a collective "pass" on them because they were too far away.

What happen to EKU?

(01-12-2014 04:55 PM)galojah Wrote:  What happen to EKU?

Looks as if left field is being covered right now.

(01-12-2014 03:46 PM)southgeorgia Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 02:01 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The best options for the Sun Belt are:

1. Missouri State
2. Texas Arlington
3. North Florida
4. Kennesaw State
5. Tennessee - Chattanooga
6. Florida Gulf Coast
7. Valdosta State
8. UNO

not bad... my list goes like this (if we can't get Southern Miss to join the conference ) :

1. UTA restart football
2. Lamar
3. Missouri State
4. Coastal Carolina
5. UT Chattanooga
6. UNF upstart football program

UNF's president made the athletic director agree as a condition to transition up to Division I that football would NEVER be discussed. It's not an option there, atleast as long as that guy is in place.
FGCU - Has looked at football and determined it is too expensive to start right now. They are out for the next 10 years, atleast.
Kennesaw State - Their athletic department is a brush fire. Head basketball coach is on a Leave of Absence for what was deemed "Personal/family" reasons. Mercer beat them by 40 the other night in basketball, and it could've been 60.
Valdosta State - Really? From Division II to FBS and they share facilities with a high school. Seriously?
UTC: An interesting discussion here. The Sun Belt actually called right after Rick Hart left for SMU. The interim, who has all the IQ of a box of hammers said they weren't interested. The new A.D. is aggressive, football is slowly improving there, though basketball is a massive rebuild. No baseball there either as they still like to have men wear leotards and play grabass. Great facilities though with the Roundhouse and Finley. Attendance is an issue for football, a big one but they have been working to improve it. Wins are helping them, and it will get better now that they don't have App/Ga. Southern to find ways to lose to.
Now, all this said, if you're going to consider all of these, then you better take a look at ETSU. The case is good. The days of halfway funding things are over. New facilities for tennis, soccer, softball and baseball, a brand new football stadium coming and most likely a partnership with Johnson City to renovate Freedom Hall and move basketball out of the mini dome (think Idaho State's facility, only halfway built). The dome is the new indoor football complex, and they're basically taking the model ODU did with founding football and following that blueprint. Decent hotels, good enough airport access all around and a growing area. The negatives are they're not ready and won't be until around 2020, atleast. Olympic sports are solid (softball notwithstanding), baseball is overfunded along with soccer, basketball traditionally is competitive, though has struggled recently.
The goal for the Sun Belt has got to be to be compact geographically. Instead of blowing money on plane rides/travel budgets, spend more on recruiting, facilities and coaches. Build interest with close games where visiting fans can drive and help fill stadiums.
I drove around Coastal a few weeks ago, football stadium is nice, but nowhere to expand and parking is awful. Terrible soccer facility, baseball looks nice but doesn't their arena only hold like 12 people?

When Coastal's football stadium was built it was designed to easily expand to twenty thousand .
The endzone football facility added 1200 seats not sure if that was included in the 12000 seat increase. Probably not so twenty one thousand could be achieved easily. The baseball and softball stadiums are being rebuilt to host regional round of the tournament. They have hosted before in Myrtle Beach . They occasionally host BBall games at the M B convention center six thousand seats.

Hosting a bowl game would be a no brainer if the stadium ever expanded enough .

(01-12-2014 06:24 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 03:46 PM)southgeorgia Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 02:01 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The best options for the Sun Belt are:

1. Missouri State
2. Texas Arlington
3. North Florida
4. Kennesaw State
5. Tennessee - Chattanooga
6. Florida Gulf Coast
7. Valdosta State
8. UNO

not bad... my list goes like this (if we can't get Southern Miss to join the conference ) :

1. UTA restart football
2. Lamar
3. Missouri State
4. Coastal Carolina
5. UT Chattanooga
6. UNF upstart football program

UNF's president made the athletic director agree as a condition to transition up to Division I that football would NEVER be discussed. It's not an option there, atleast as long as that guy is in place.
FGCU - Has looked at football and determined it is too expensive to start right now. They are out for the next 10 years, atleast.
Kennesaw State - Their athletic department is a brush fire. Head basketball coach is on a Leave of Absence for what was deemed "Personal/family" reasons. Mercer beat them by 40 the other night in basketball, and it could've been 60.
Valdosta State - Really? From Division II to FBS and they share facilities with a high school. Seriously?
UTC: An interesting discussion here. The Sun Belt actually called right after Rick Hart left for SMU. The interim, who has all the IQ of a box of hammers said they weren't interested. The new A.D. is aggressive, football is slowly improving there, though basketball is a massive rebuild. No baseball there either as they still like to have men wear leotards and play grabass. Great facilities though with the Roundhouse and Finley. Attendance is an issue for football, a big one but they have been working to improve it. Wins are helping them, and it will get better now that they don't have App/Ga. Southern to find ways to lose to.
Now, all this said, if you're going to consider all of these, then you better take a look at ETSU. The case is good. The days of halfway funding things are over. New facilities for tennis, soccer, softball and baseball, a brand new football stadium coming and most likely a partnership with Johnson City to renovate Freedom Hall and move basketball out of the mini dome (think Idaho State's facility, only halfway built). The dome is the new indoor football complex, and they're basically taking the model ODU did with founding football and following that blueprint. Decent hotels, good enough airport access all around and a growing area. The negatives are they're not ready and won't be until around 2020, atleast. Olympic sports are solid (softball notwithstanding), baseball is overfunded along with soccer, basketball traditionally is competitive, though has struggled recently.
The goal for the Sun Belt has got to be to be compact geographically. Instead of blowing money on plane rides/travel budgets, spend more on recruiting, facilities and coaches. Build interest with close games where visiting fans can drive and help fill stadiums.
I drove around Coastal a few weeks ago, football stadium is nice, but nowhere to expand and parking is awful. Terrible soccer facility, baseball looks nice but doesn't their arena only hold like 12 people?

I like Johnson city and they would make an excellent travel partner gor APP . How big is the new football stadium supposed to be .

Kennesaw State has good potential but they don't even start playing football till 2015 and seem intent on fcs for awhile. I guess a call from a fbs conference could change their minds but I doubt the SBC would want a 3rd school in Georgia, especially one just 20 miles from GaState..But with all that being said, Kennesaw State is a school that could raise the cash and will be a player in someone's expansion at some point..

Coastal, or any other school considered will come with a few warts, but I really believe the SBC needs to get to 12 and have a championship game and hopefully we get a dominant team to rise up and be our Northern Illinois or Boise St and grab some attention.

(01-11-2014 02:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-11-2014 02:18 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  I still feel like we may see an entirely new conference come out of all of this with 1 or 2 MVC schools, a mix of SBC schools, and a mix of MAC schools.

Not going to happen. Here's why.

1) The NCAA wont allow it.

But just for kicks, who would you think would actually leave the MAC or the Sun Belt to join a new conference that has a move up like Missouri State in it? I get that ULL, Ark State, NIU, WKU, MTSU, Marshall, Ball State, BGSU, CMU, etc., might be interested in joining a new conference, but.... Missouri State would not be a part of that. The only reason a jump makes sense is if its the top teams only.

Missouri State needs to make a decision. Do you want FBS? Because if you do you are going to have to make the same heart wrenching decisions that most of us that have made that jump have had to make. Like downgrading the focus on basketball, leaving behind long standing rivalries, etc. For JMU, its the same problem. Trust me, I don't think we would have invited ULM or Texas State to join the Sun Belt if we were focusing on basketball.

If you want the perfect fit, you might as well just focus on FCS. Because perfect fits aren't on offer.

"Perfect fits" also don't screw you over the way the MVC has done to Missouri State.

The league has done NOTHING to help Missouri State over the years, on an individual basis.

It's probably a conspiracy, but even now our scheduling is downright insane by the league. Four of our first five league games are on the road and our ONE home game during that stretch was #6 Wichita State last night.




Side note, when I said a new conference, I meant that very loosely. Obviously it would stem from a current conference, that is just how I see it going.



P.P.S. 10,770 to see the MSU v Wichita State game last night at JQH Arena.

(01-12-2014 06:54 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 06:24 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 03:46 PM)southgeorgia Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 02:01 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The best options for the Sun Belt are:

1. Missouri State
2. Texas Arlington
3. North Florida
4. Kennesaw State
5. Tennessee - Chattanooga
6. Florida Gulf Coast
7. Valdosta State
8. UNO

not bad... my list goes like this (if we can't get Southern Miss to join the conference ) :

1. UTA restart football
2. Lamar
3. Missouri State
4. Coastal Carolina
5. UT Chattanooga
6. UNF upstart football program

UNF's president made the athletic director agree as a condition to transition up to Division I that football would NEVER be discussed. It's not an option there, atleast as long as that guy is in place.
FGCU - Has looked at football and determined it is too expensive to start right now. They are out for the next 10 years, atleast.
Kennesaw State - Their athletic department is a brush fire. Head basketball coach is on a Leave of Absence for what was deemed "Personal/family" reasons. Mercer beat them by 40 the other night in basketball, and it could've been 60.
Valdosta State - Really? From Division II to FBS and they share facilities with a high school. Seriously?
UTC: An interesting discussion here. The Sun Belt actually called right after Rick Hart left for SMU. The interim, who has all the IQ of a box of hammers said they weren't interested. The new A.D. is aggressive, football is slowly improving there, though basketball is a massive rebuild. No baseball there either as they still like to have men wear leotards and play grabass. Great facilities though with the Roundhouse and Finley. Attendance is an issue for football, a big one but they have been working to improve it. Wins are helping them, and it will get better now that they don't have App/Ga. Southern to find ways to lose to.
Now, all this said, if you're going to consider all of these, then you better take a look at ETSU. The case is good. The days of halfway funding things are over. New facilities for tennis, soccer, softball and baseball, a brand new football stadium coming and most likely a partnership with Johnson City to renovate Freedom Hall and move basketball out of the mini dome (think Idaho State's facility, only halfway built). The dome is the new indoor football complex, and they're basically taking the model ODU did with founding football and following that blueprint. Decent hotels, good enough airport access all around and a growing area. The negatives are they're not ready and won't be until around 2020, atleast. Olympic sports are solid (softball notwithstanding), baseball is overfunded along with soccer, basketball traditionally is competitive, though has struggled recently.
The goal for the Sun Belt has got to be to be compact geographically. Instead of blowing money on plane rides/travel budgets, spend more on recruiting, facilities and coaches. Build interest with close games where visiting fans can drive and help fill stadiums.
I drove around Coastal a few weeks ago, football stadium is nice, but nowhere to expand and parking is awful. Terrible soccer facility, baseball looks nice but doesn't their arena only hold like 12 people?

I like Johnson city and they would make an excellent travel partner gor APP . How big is the new football stadium supposed to be .

15K when it opens with expansion capabilities. Final renderings won't be completed until our president is back to work full time and the land studies are completed. He was in a pretty bad car wreck that left him in a hospital bed for about a month. He's still in a neck brace, can't drive, etc... I would expect it to be on the site of our old physical plant, and probably the first 1-2 years, they'll play over at Science Hill, which kinda sucks but I'd rather they take extra time and built it right instead of ending up with an outdoor minidome or a baseball stadium that doesn't have a working concession stand.

(01-12-2014 07:08 PM)augustis13 Wrote:  Kennesaw State has good potential but they don't even start playing football till 2015 and seem intent on fcs for awhile. I guess a call from a fbs conference could change their minds but I doubt the SBC would want a 3rd school in Georgia, especially one just 20 miles from GaState..But with all that being said, Kennesaw State is a school that could raise the cash and will be a player in someone's expansion at some point..

Coastal, or any other school considered will come with a few warts, but I really believe the SBC needs to get to 12 and have a championship game and hopefully we get a dominant team to rise up and be our Northern Illinois or Boise St and grab some attention.

Kennesaw is a wart athletically. They're not ready to have football, hell they can't compete with Northern Kentucky and Stetson in basketball.

(01-12-2014 03:46 PM)southgeorgia Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 02:01 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The best options for the Sun Belt are:

1. Missouri State
2. Texas Arlington
3. North Florida
4. Kennesaw State
5. Tennessee - Chattanooga
6. Florida Gulf Coast
7. Valdosta State
8. UNO

not bad... my list goes like this (if we can't get Southern Miss to join the conference ) :

1. UTA restart football
2. Lamar
3. Missouri State
4. Coastal Carolina
5. UT Chattanooga
6. UNF upstart football program

after reviewing this, http://www.missouristatebears.com/facilities/ , I and considering that Lamar already has football my list now looks like this.

1. Missouri State
2. Lamar
3. UTA restart football
4. Coastal Carolina
5. UT Chattanooga

i'd seen mo state's facilities improvement plan on here before, but I had forgot just how impressive they will be. it's good to have a list because I don't know if the SBC is in Idaho's long term plans.

(01-11-2014 02:18 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  I still feel like we may see an entirely new conference come out of all of this with 1 or 2 MVC schools, a mix of SBC schools, and a mix of MAC schools.

I tend to agree. I think in the end several unhappy schools from the SBC, and CUSA will join up with Missouri State and form their own league. At one point I knoew that arkstfan mentioned the possibility of just joining the MVC, but creating a brand new league structure in which the FBS football schools were given primary power over the non football schools.

Its one of the few ways in which a new league could be started under NCAA rules at this moment.

(01-13-2014 08:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-11-2014 02:18 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  I still feel like we may see an entirely new conference come out of all of this with 1 or 2 MVC schools, a mix of SBC schools, and a mix of MAC schools.

I tend to agree. I think in the end several unhappy schools from the SBC, and CUSA will join up with Missouri State and form their own league. At one point I knoew that arkstfan mentioned the possibility of just joining the MVC, but creating a brand new league structure in which the FBS football schools were given primary power over the non football schools.

Its one of the few ways in which a new league could be started under NCAA rules at this moment.

Which schools do you surmise will break away a form the new conference?

(01-14-2014 01:36 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 08:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-11-2014 02:18 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  I still feel like we may see an entirely new conference come out of all of this with 1 or 2 MVC schools, a mix of SBC schools, and a mix of MAC schools.

I tend to agree. I think in the end several unhappy schools from the SBC, and CUSA will join up with Missouri State and form their own league. At one point I knoew that arkstfan mentioned the possibility of just joining the MVC, but creating a brand new league structure in which the FBS football schools were given primary power over the non football schools.

Its one of the few ways in which a new league could be started under NCAA rules at this moment.

Which schools do you surmise will break away a form the new conference?

Eventually schools will start looking at who is close to them and figure that for the piddly $$$ they are getting they would rather play the 5 schools within 4 hours of them rather than fly the tennis team 2 hours on a commercial flight

(01-14-2014 01:36 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 08:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-11-2014 02:18 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  I still feel like we may see an entirely new conference come out of all of this with 1 or 2 MVC schools, a mix of SBC schools, and a mix of MAC schools.

I tend to agree. I think in the end several unhappy schools from the SBC, and CUSA will join up with Missouri State and form their own league. At one point I knoew that arkstfan mentioned the possibility of just joining the MVC, but creating a brand new league structure in which the FBS football schools were given primary power over the non football schools.

Its one of the few ways in which a new league could be started under NCAA rules at this moment.

Which schools do you surmise will break away a form the new conference?

Whoever is unhappy. Most of that will come down to TV deals. I could see a situation easily where a few regional CUSA teams will pair off with the top part of the SBC and start their own league. That would generally be done to save travel.

(01-12-2014 03:46 PM)southgeorgia Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 02:01 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The best options for the Sun Belt are:

1. Missouri State
2. Texas Arlington
3. North Florida
4. Kennesaw State
5. Tennessee - Chattanooga
6. Florida Gulf Coast
7. Valdosta State
8. UNO

not bad... my list goes like this (if we can't get Southern Miss to join the conference ) :

1. UTA restart football
2. Lamar
3. Missouri State
4. Coastal Carolina
5. UT Chattanooga
6. UNF upstart football program

so miss would laugh at the notion of aligning itself with that group of schools. maybe with nmsu and mo state + the sbc that exists now..

(01-14-2014 02:06 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 03:46 PM)southgeorgia Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 02:01 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The best options for the Sun Belt are:

1. Missouri State
2. Texas Arlington
3. North Florida
4. Kennesaw State
5. Tennessee - Chattanooga
6. Florida Gulf Coast
7. Valdosta State
8. UNO

not bad... my list goes like this (if we can't get Southern Miss to join the conference ) :

1. UTA restart football
2. Lamar
3. Missouri State
4. Coastal Carolina
5. UT Chattanooga
6. UNF upstart football program

so miss would laugh at the notion of aligning itself with that group of schools. maybe with nmsu and mo state + the sbc that exists now..

Southern Miss has bigger issues. It has to deal with the new reality of South Alabama football. There are a ton of folks from Mobile who played for USM; however, USA provides the hometown option.

(01-12-2014 07:08 PM)augustis13 Wrote:  Kennesaw State has good potential but they don't even start playing football till 2015 and seem intent on fcs for awhile. I guess a call from a fbs conference could change their minds but I doubt the SBC would want a 3rd school in Georgia, especially one just 20 miles from GaState..But with all that being said, Kennesaw State is a school that could raise the cash and will be a player in someone's expansion at some point..

Coastal, or any other school considered will come with a few warts, but I really believe the SBC needs to get to 12 and have a championship game and hopefully we get a dominant team to rise up and be our Northern Illinois or Boise St and grab some attention.

They have no money and play in an 8k seat soccer stadium...carry the two...um...riiiiiight