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Never dreamed I'd find this in the TV data
As the Den/AStatenation folks know I've done a series (four so far) of stories on TV numbers, really geeking it out.

Some things aren't surprising (Boise and BYU mostly draw big audiences, as does Fresno, NIU dominants MAC TV), some are mildly surprising (UCF and USF draw better TV audiences than Houston and SMU but crossover games between the Florida and Texas AAC's do quite well and Bowling Green is a good TV draw for the MAC).

What really surprised me was that the Bobby Petrino storyline had no TV punch. I honestly expected to find that WKU games would get a bump, between Hog faithful pining for his return, Falcon fans hoping to see him run over on a sideline play, and Louisville fans feeling whatever conflicted feelings they have for him as well as CUSA fans tuning in to get some idea about the new guy.

WKU v. Navy was Navy's least watched national telecast. It was on the who'd think to look there ESPNnews but Navy's game vs. Toledo drew 20K more viewers on the same network at the same time slot.

WKU vs. Louisiana was the second least watched ESPN2 Tuesday night game drawing 21k more than Kent State - Ohio but the Kent-Ohio game was head-to-head vs. Buffalo and Miami on ESPNU which drew 135k.

WKU vs. ULM was the second least watched ESPNU Thursday night FBS game beating out ULM vs. Troy.

I'd have laid money down the numbers would have been better.
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(01-01-2014 04:05 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  As the Den/AStatenation folks know I've done a series (four so far) of stories on TV numbers, really geeking it out.

Some things aren't surprising (Boise and BYU mostly draw big audiences, as does Fresno, NIU dominants MAC TV), some are mildly surprising (UCF and USF draw better TV audiences than Houston and SMU but crossover games between the Florida and Texas AAC's do quite well and Bowling Green is a good TV draw for the MAC).

What really surprised me was that the Bobby Petrino storyline had no TV punch. I honestly expected to find that WKU games would get a bump, between Hog faithful pining for his return, Falcon fans hoping to see him run over on a sideline play, and Louisville fans feeling whatever conflicted feelings they have for him as well as CUSA fans tuning in to get some idea about the new guy.

WKU v. Navy was Navy's least watched national telecast. It was on the who'd think to look there ESPNnews but Navy's game vs. Toledo drew 20K more viewers on the same network at the same time slot.

WKU vs. Louisiana was the second least watched ESPN2 Tuesday night game drawing 21k more than Kent State - Ohio but the Kent-Ohio game was head-to-head vs. Buffalo and Miami on ESPNU which drew 135k.

WKU vs. ULM was the second least watched ESPNU Thursday night FBS game beating out ULM vs. Troy.

I'd have laid money down the numbers would have been better.

No one cares about watching WKU on TV. The Petrino affect is non-existent.
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(01-01-2014 04:19 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  No one cares about watching WKU on TV. The Petrino affect is non-existent.

That surprises me though. He is such a polarizing figure that I honestly thought it'd be a bump and I didn't even notice it until I was running some different evaluations in Excel trying to get a handle on ULM and Troy TV numbers, which are also bad.
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RE: Never dreamed I'd find this in the TV data
Where do you get your data from? I'm doing some research on basketball attendance and how espn has affected conferences and schools. Right now all I have is my raw data on attendance and not looked into the games shown...any links would help but what I really need is old data from the birth of espn to the early 2000s

I don't have my numbers on this PC but as a example the attendance the SBC attendance was below 3,000 before espn started carrying the conference and then the attendance jumped to over 5k
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(01-01-2014 04:19 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  No one cares about watching WKU on TV. The Petrino affect is non-existent.

Would have thought this year though that people would have wanted to see how that was going. All of Kentucky and Arkansas would have been expected.

I think what controls these numbers more then anything is the lack of games by SBC teams. What I mean is that each team is not on TV enough for people to learn them or know what they are doing. USA wasn't on any SBC games, I don't recall seeing TxSt, and I know GaSt wasn't on TV. We obviously need a better deal, and we need more then one game a week on TV. We need at least 3 games a week on TV of whatever outlet we can get, and ESPN3 does not count as an outlet. The only people that turn on ESPN3 to watch a game are the fans of those particular schools, no one else. You don't sit on your couch and flip the channels on the TV to ESPN3 to see what is on. We need actual games on actual TV stations. ESPN, Foxsports, FS1, CBSsports, NBCsports. Got to get these games on the TV.
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(01-01-2014 04:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Where do you get your data from? I'm doing some research on basketball attendance and how espn has affected conferences and schools. Right now all I have is my raw data on attendance and not looked into the games shown...any links would help but what I really need is old data from the birth of espn to the early 2000s

I don't have my numbers on this PC but as a example the attendance the SBC attendance was below 3,000 before espn started carrying the conference and then the attendance jumped to over 5k
Sports Business Journal is the best public source available if you are willing to part with $264 a year. Sports Media Watch will let you scratch the surface and its free.

Old data such as you are describing would be very hard to find (it's hard to get 2011 data!) your best bet for anything that old is try emailing anyone you can find with an email addy listed as working in media/public relations at ESPN or last case try emailing the ombudsman at ESPN for assistance outlining the nature of the project (academic I presume). The really really tough part of it is the great and helpful demographic data that would make it all pop is all subject to non-disclosure agreements with the data collector.
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Oh and if you have an RTV department, ask the professors, never know one of them may have some or all of the data sets you need from research they've done on some other project.
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Maybe no one wanted to watch WKU. No matter the reason.
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(01-01-2014 05:20 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Maybe no one wanted to watch WKU. No matter the reason.

That's what I said.
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(01-01-2014 05:24 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(01-01-2014 05:20 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Maybe no one wanted to watch WKU. No matter the reason.

That's what I said.

I just thought you might need some back-up. You are welcome.
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(01-01-2014 05:00 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(01-01-2014 04:19 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  No one cares about watching WKU on TV. The Petrino affect is non-existent.

Would have thought this year though that people would have wanted to see how that was going. All of Kentucky and Arkansas would have been expected.

I think what controls these numbers more then anything is the lack of games by SBC teams. What I mean is that each team is not on TV enough for people to learn them or know what they are doing. USA wasn't on any SBC games, I don't recall seeing TxSt, and I know GaSt wasn't on TV. We obviously need a better deal, and we need more then one game a week on TV. We need at least 3 games a week on TV of whatever outlet we can get, and ESPN3 does not count as an outlet. The only people that turn on ESPN3 to watch a game are the fans of those particular schools, no one else. You don't sit on your couch and flip the channels on the TV to ESPN3 to see what is on. We need actual games on actual TV stations. ESPN, Foxsports, FS1, CBSsports, NBCsports. Got to get these games on the TV.

Im almost certain USA and GaSt played on CSS-sports several times each this season. its only a regional network, but it cover 8 of the teams states in the SunBelt. BUT you are correct , we need a better deal! . Maybe adding FS1 to our current line up seems to be the most realistic next step, they need more content to offer.
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(01-01-2014 05:27 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(01-01-2014 05:24 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(01-01-2014 05:20 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Maybe no one wanted to watch WKU. No matter the reason.

That's what I said.

I just thought you might need some back-up. You are welcome.

LOL. Thanks.
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Problem with CSS is that it isn't carried by Dish or Direct, and I have Dish. Can't get cable where I live, I'm in the country.
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(01-01-2014 05:40 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(01-01-2014 05:00 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(01-01-2014 04:19 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  No one cares about watching WKU on TV. The Petrino affect is non-existent.

Would have thought this year though that people would have wanted to see how that was going. All of Kentucky and Arkansas would have been expected.

I think what controls these numbers more then anything is the lack of games by SBC teams. What I mean is that each team is not on TV enough for people to learn them or know what they are doing. USA wasn't on any SBC games, I don't recall seeing TxSt, and I know GaSt wasn't on TV. We obviously need a better deal, and we need more then one game a week on TV. We need at least 3 games a week on TV of whatever outlet we can get, and ESPN3 does not count as an outlet. The only people that turn on ESPN3 to watch a game are the fans of those particular schools, no one else. You don't sit on your couch and flip the channels on the TV to ESPN3 to see what is on. We need actual games on actual TV stations. ESPN, Foxsports, FS1, CBSsports, NBCsports. Got to get these games on the TV.

Im almost certain USA and GaSt played on CSS-sports several times each this season. its only a regional network, but it cover 8 of the teams states in the SunBelt. BUT you are correct , we need a better deal! . Maybe adding FS1 to our current line up seems to be the most realistic next step, they need more content to offer.

I think both USA games were on CSS.
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USA had games on the SEC Network against UT, and the Navy game on CBSsports. That is the two I saw on my TV, the rest were ESPN3 games.
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Thanks arkstfan I figure it would be something I would have to dig for and get lucky to find it. I guess I will just start sending email. Most people look at espn as the best thing that happen to college sports...

in the end it's probably going to be the worse thing to happen for most of us as far as separation, money, recruiting, and respect and especially for basketball. It did the same to women's basketball, the SBC use to be a top conference with national respect but after 10 years of the BCS conference being the only games shown....

the same thing has happen that also happen to the men sports. A drop in attendance, almost impossible to get top 50-100 recruits, and to get in the NCAA tourney with a good seed.
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WKUYG, my personal opinion is that the biggest problems with college basketball are:
1. Division I has grown too large we are over 350 schools now in 1989 (a decade after ESPN) you had about 60 fewer teams.
2. We've reached a point where the regular season is essentially meaningless. In 20+ conferences regular season only impacts conference tournament seeding or whether you even make the conference tournament but the way the top leagues play to the RPI getting an at-large is unlikely.
3. In the top group of leagues you know if you get above .500 your RPI will likely carry you in.
4. To manipulate RPI you have to win, that's easiest done by playing chumps in November and December at home and maybe a neutral court exempt event. Fans of the non-power league teams no longer see an LSU or Cincinnati or Oklahoma State come to their place. They instead get two non-Division I teams and then a smattering of the surplus Division I schools people aren't familiar with.
5. Regular season games have little significance. Last year Louisville dropped 3 straight games, losing 5 overall and they were a #1 seed. Last year Indiana vs. Butler was on CBS and the freaking New Mexico Bowl drew a larger TV audience because the Indiana-Butler game didn't matter. Indiana lost it. They lost two conference games at home, two more on the road, lost the Big 10 semis, and they were the #1 seed for the East.
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(01-01-2014 09:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  WKUYG, my personal opinion is that the biggest problems with college basketball are:
1. Division I has grown too large we are over 350 schools now in 1989 (a decade after ESPN) you had about 60 fewer teams.
2.We've reached a point where the regular season is essentially meaningless. In 20+ conferences regular season only impacts conference tournament seeding or whether you even make the conference tournament but the way the top leagues play to the RPI getting an at-large is unlikely.
3. In the top group of leagues you know if you get above .500 your RPI will likely carry you in.
4. To manipulate RPI you have to win, that's easiest done by playing chumps in November and December at home and maybe a neutral court exempt event. Fans of the non-power league teams no longer see an LSU or Cincinnati or Oklahoma State come to their place. They instead get two non-Division I teams and then a smattering of the surplus Division I schools people aren't familiar with.
5. Regular season games have little significance. Last year Louisville dropped 3 straight games, losing 5 overall and they were a #1 seed. Last year Indiana vs. Butler was on CBS and the freaking New Mexico Bowl drew a larger TV audience because the Indiana-Butler game didn't matter. Indiana lost it. They lost two conference games at home, two more on the road, lost the Big 10 semis, and they were the #1 seed for the East.

It does mean something, it can get you into the NIT.
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Im almost certain USA and GaSt played on CSS-sports several times each this season. its only a regional network, but it cover 8 of the teams states in the SunBelt. BUT you are correct , we need a better deal! . Maybe adding FS1 to our current line up seems to be the most realistic next step, they need more content to offer.
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I'd like to see USA against GaSt on ESPN2. Being the top two media markets in the conference, I'd be curious as to the # of viewers for this one.
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Im almost certain USA and GaSt played on CSS-sports several times each this season. its only a regional network, but it cover 8 of the teams states in the SunBelt. BUT you are correct , we need a better deal! . Maybe adding FS1 to our current line up seems to be the most realistic next step, they need more content to offer.
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I'd like to see USA against GaSt on ESPN2. Being the top two media markets in the conference, I'd be curious as to the # of viewers for this one.
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If we are talking Basketball, would not that mean UTA vs Ga State as the top two media markets?
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