(11-14-2013 03:56 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 02:34 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 02:29 PM)Usajags Wrote:  How can you consider that a success, you aren't working in new OC or DC are you. The team isn't getting better, it has gotten worse the last the 3 years. What reason would you see a win over Texas St as a reason to keep him at this point???

3-9, 5-7, 7-6. What world do you live in where that would show Troy "getting worse"?

We are breaking in a new DC. We had three true returning starters. An offensive lineman, a quarterback, and a safety. We had two starters at wide receiver return but they were not playing the same position as last year. So five returning starters if you go by the books. Pull your head out. If we go 7-6 with a team with only three returning starters and a new DC, we will win 8+ next year with 15 or 16 returning starters and those four and five star transfers you heard about during the off season.

It's not just a win over Texas State, we have to win a bowl game and finish 7-6 for me to be satisfied. 6-6 or 6-7 I'd have mixed feelings about. Read. The. Whole. Post. Thanks.

So if you go 7-6 your willing to give him another year? We had the opinion in basketball a couple of years ago, and Arrow didn't make it past mid-season the next year. I honestly didn't realize you guys had gotten that bad, didn't remember that. Or this off season, will it be, see who is available(and interested) and make a decision on weather or not to get rid of him???

I personally would. Most don't share my opinion. But a 7-6 year would spark the program through a bowl win and better recruiting and being on the heels of a new endzone facility. Having a ton of starters coming back, and graduating a lot in the secondary (the main problem) we should be even better next year.

Beating Texas State will not be easy though. Some on the board have said that more than just Blakeney has said if we are 6-6, we'll get into a bowl.

Because I'm curious, perhaps a Troy fan will enlighten me ---

Is Troy's current situation due to Blakeney's shortcomings as a coach or due more to the team's position in FBS?
And by position I mean as a lower-tier FBS team.

I honestly suspect it's more the latter than the former. Wasn't Blakeney a good enough coach to win in I-AA? Certainly he had the chops to get you guys into FBS. And hasn't he had some success at the IA level? I'd think the guy hasn't forgotten how to coach overnight. But I'm nowhere near up on Troy football, never was and, despite the move some years back to the supposed top level of college football, remain just as uninformed. Until recently, I thought the school was still called Troy State.

(11-14-2013 05:40 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:56 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 02:34 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 02:29 PM)Usajags Wrote:  How can you consider that a success, you aren't working in new OC or DC are you. The team isn't getting better, it has gotten worse the last the 3 years. What reason would you see a win over Texas St as a reason to keep him at this point???

3-9, 5-7, 7-6. What world do you live in where that would show Troy "getting worse"?

We are breaking in a new DC. We had three true returning starters. An offensive lineman, a quarterback, and a safety. We had two starters at wide receiver return but they were not playing the same position as last year. So five returning starters if you go by the books. Pull your head out. If we go 7-6 with a team with only three returning starters and a new DC, we will win 8+ next year with 15 or 16 returning starters and those four and five star transfers you heard about during the off season.

It's not just a win over Texas State, we have to win a bowl game and finish 7-6 for me to be satisfied. 6-6 or 6-7 I'd have mixed feelings about. Read. The. Whole. Post. Thanks.

So if you go 7-6 your willing to give him another year? We had the opinion in basketball a couple of years ago, and Arrow didn't make it past mid-season the next year. I honestly didn't realize you guys had gotten that bad, didn't remember that. Or this off season, will it be, see who is available(and interested) and make a decision on weather or not to get rid of him???

I personally would. Most don't share my opinion. But a 7-6 year would spark the program through a bowl win and better recruiting and being on the heels of a new endzone facility. Having a ton of starters coming back, and graduating a lot in the secondary (the main problem) we should be even better next year.

Beating Texas State will not be easy though. Some on the board have said that more than just Blakeney has said if we are 6-6, we'll get into a bowl.

So, if we finish 5-7 will u want him gone?

(11-14-2013 05:47 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  Because I'm curious, perhaps a Troy fan will enlighten me ---

Is Troy's current situation due to Blakeney's shortcomings as a coach or due more to the team's position in FBS?
And by position I mean as a lower-tier FBS team.

I honestly suspect it's more the latter than the former. Wasn't Blakeney a good enough coach to win in I-AA? Certainly he had the chops to get you guys into FBS. And hasn't he had some success at the IA level? I'd think the guy hasn't forgotten how to coach overnight. But I'm nowhere near up on Troy football, never was and, despite the move some years back to the supposed top level of college football, remain just as uninformed. Until recently, I thought the school was still called Troy State.

He's been a very good, long coach for Troy. Has guided them to 5 conference championships and has a signature win over Missouri back about 10 years ago. Mizzou was ranked when they came into Troy for a Thursday night game. The question now is if the game has passed him. He is now competing for recruits with South, Georgia Southern and Georgia State, something he didn't have to do before.

(11-14-2013 05:47 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  Because I'm curious, perhaps a Troy fan will enlighten me ---

Is Troy's current situation due to Blakeney's shortcomings as a coach or due more to the team's position in FBS?
And by position I mean as a lower-tier FBS team.

I honestly suspect it's more the latter than the former. Wasn't Blakeney a good enough coach to win in I-AA? Certainly he had the chops to get you guys into FBS. And hasn't he had some success at the IA level? I'd think the guy hasn't forgotten how to coach overnight. But I'm nowhere near up on Troy football, never was and, despite the move some years back to the supposed top level of college football, remain just as uninformed. Until recently, I thought the school was still called Troy State.

We are not where we want to be... We know we probably won't win the SBC every year (we did win it 5 years straight 2006-2010) but 3 losing season, Undisciplined teams (worst penalized team in FBS), we have grown tired of it, maybe Blakeney has lost his touch idk. But it's not acceptable for Troy fans.

One or two losing season happen, but not like this. IMO.
We were playing tight with the big boys. Had the motto of "Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere" now he's saying "it's never a good week to play an SEC team"
Wtf is going on?!? Ugh!!!!

We dropped State from Troy Back in 2003 I believe.

(11-14-2013 05:47 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  So, if we finish 5-7 will u want him gone?

I never wanted rowell "gone." But I would have been happy, and was/am happy with new blood. It's not the removal, but the addition of something new, if only for the sake of bringing a fresh perspective. I would be more than happy to keep Blakeney with a 7-6 season, but even so, placing all the blame on Blakeney will not fix this. There are other issues looming and I think once the detractors get their wish and we don't have 7+ wins for two years with a new coach, maybe they will realise this. Or they'll start the fire Steve Campbell threads. Some things need to move forward that don't involve Blakeney. Blakeney is just the surface of the problem, the easy answer to a complex problem.

If we go 5-7, I wouldn't be first in line at the fire blakeney booth, but I wouldn't disagree with a move to bring in someone new either. I would be excited to see what the new guy has to bring. A new era has to begin sometime.

(11-14-2013 05:51 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The question now is if the game has passed him. He is now competing for recruits with South, Georgia Southern and Georgia State, something he didn't have to do before.

You bring up a point that many don't realise. And it's not just the presence of new teams. The point, anyway, is that there are more issues at play other than just "can Blakeney coach anymore." Facilities is a big issue too.

I don't think the game has passed him. I think the game has passed Troy. We are unable to keep up with new schools competing for the same kids, especially with outdated facilities. Our coaches aren't perfect, I'm just saying there's more to it than hiring Steve Campbell. At 5-7, maybe new blood could be a spark we need, but it won't hide or erase other problems we have at Troy.

(11-14-2013 06:02 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 05:47 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  So, if we finish 5-7 will u want him gone?

I never wanted rowell "gone." But I would have been happy, and was/am happy with new blood. It's not the removal, but the addition of something new, if only for the sake of bringing a fresh perspective. I would be more than happy to keep Blakeney with a 7-6 season, but even so, placing all the blame on Blakeney will not fix this. There are other issues looming and I think once the detractors get their wish and we don't have 7+ wins for two years with a new coach, maybe they will realise this. Or they'll start the fire Steve Campbell threads. Some things need to move forward that don't involve Blakeney. Blakeney is just the surface of the problem, the easy answer to a complex problem.

If we go 5-7, I wouldn't be first in line at the fire blakeney booth, but I wouldn't disagree with a move to bring in someone new either. I would be excited to see what the new guy has to bring. A new era has to begin sometime.

(11-14-2013 05:51 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The question now is if the game has passed him. He is now competing for recruits with South, Georgia Southern and Georgia State, something he didn't have to do before.

You bring up a point that many don't realise. And it's not just the presence of new teams. The point, anyway, is that there are more issues at play other than just "can Blakeney coach anymore." Facilities is a big issue too.

I don't think the game has passed him. I think the game has passed Troy. We are unable to keep up with new schools competing for the same kids, especially with outdated facilities. Our coaches aren't perfect, I'm just saying there's more to it than hiring Steve Campbell.

What's the problem in your opinion?

Our football stadium is top 3 in the conference.... But our football facility is probably the worst... U think that is the main problem?

Is the Troy practice field a full 100 yards with full endzones??? The way it backs into the woods it looks like a corner is cut off, the last time I was on your campus that is. About 2 years ago.

And it was 2005 that you guys dropped the State.

Larry Blakeney has earned the right to leave when he darned well wants to leave. He is not winning one or two game a season. He is not having fewer and fewer wins. None of that, in fact he has progressed steadily over the last two seasons.

My personal hope is that Coach Blakney will be there for as many years as the Cajuns participate in the SBC. It simply would be a lesser conference with the likes of Blakney gone. No doubt he needs to continue to improve, but come on it is not like he is too old to bring it.

Having said all that, I still think Troy plays dirty, and nobody is going to own this conference for half a decade again. Had Troy improved on it's personal fouls they may have been competing for the championship this year, but they did not, and that is on the coaches and players, not talent.

(11-14-2013 06:11 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Is the Troy practice field a full 100 yards with full endzones??? The way it backs into the woods it looks like a corner is cut off, the last time I was on your campus that is. About 2 years ago.

And it was 2005 that you guys dropped the State.

Yes they do. Our practice fields are new this year.

With that and the new Field House/End zone building, you guys should be set up in the SBC.

I just wonder if an older guy can succeed in recruiting in the SBC, young guys have energy and are willing to run around to sell their program to recruits, not sure if a older guy has that kind of energy and ability to sell the program the same way.