(10-31-2013 04:08 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 03:14 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 03:10 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 03:02 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 02:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  ....and struggle to draw fans in an historic season. Fact of the matter is the Belk Bowl knows we'd be a lock for 25-30K tickets purchased. Easy money.

way to stay on topic, but fact is we are averaging only a few thousand less than you guys in a smaller stadium. Immaterial difference.

Lol.... we have CUSA teams coming to town this year! FAU, UAB, ODU don't exactly get the blood pumping

hate to break it to ya but akron and uconn don't do much for the bottom line either. Uconn brought less than 100 fans. Akron brought a couple more.

You guys had VT at home just like we had USCe. Overall our schedules are very comparable.

ODU - Akron - We probably would've had 45k either way
VT - SC - Sell out either way
FAU - Uconn - We would've had at least 43-45+k for the Uconn game instead we had 35k for FAU on a Thursday night in the middle of three home weeks in a row. Fans love a fesh face, especially someone they know.
USM - UH - Had a decent crowd, 45k Probably would've been about 45k for Houston too. Who knows.
UAB - Rutgers -What will probably be mid 40's for UAB (could be higher with homecoming) would be a homecoming sell out for the Pirates before RU hits the B1G.
Tulsa- USF - Two teams fans will get up for. Probably both high 40's if not sell out.

The big differences are in the UAB-Rutgers game which could be several thousand people, and the FAU-Uconn game which would've most likely been 5-7k. I'd say y'all have a pretty solid schedule. USF at home will put up numbers for y'all. We also had 3 back to back to back home games and I know many fans had to miss out on at least one of the three because of scheduling. Overall your schedule probably would've put an extra 12k in the stands for the pirates adding a 2k for the season average. Depends on the crowds for Uab and Tulsa.

That's being pretty conservative too imo. Manys fans are apathetic about the lameduck year... in a new conference (I know many familiar faces thank you Texas Tech fan for your input....) we very well could've opened with a 50k and sold out every other game but a thursday night Uconn, which would probably still have 45k. Obviously we'll never know but I would've loved the Pirates to have the excitement of that home schedule, top #25 ranking this year and the possibility of going to a BCS bowl this year.

thats a good analysis but its off base for UCF. We would sell out for FAU. FAU has a thousand times more regional appeal for us than Uconn. Many of our students are from south florida and have friends and family who went to FAU.

(10-31-2013 10:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 06:08 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 04:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 01:09 PM)pirateadam Wrote:  It would be a moot point anyway if we win the conference. Then we would be going to the Liberty. Its only an option if we dont win the conference. Right now its all speculation. We still have 5 games left and close to two months before a majority of the bowl games would be played. There is no harm in discussing what could happen and since it was reported by Pirate Radio then it is a hot topic of conversation. Everything is controlled by TV and the Bowls. If the Bowls and TV want the matchup to happen then it will and theres nothing that Coog Fans or UCF Fans can do about it.

Actually that's not true. The Belk has a contract with the AAC and they are stuck with that AAC selection. Now, there's nothing wrong with the Belk bringing a deal to the AAC for some sort of swap---but in the end, its up to the Belk to broker a deal acceptable to the AAC---otherwise, the AAC is perfectly within their rights to simply say no to any change in the original deal. Basically, the Belk is going to have to provide the AAC with an equal or better bowl. The Liberty vs the #9 SEC and the Military vs the #8 AAC are not equal or better bowls. Frankly, I don't think CUSA even has a bowl equal to the Belk to trade--which is why I just don't see this happening.

What do you want to bet Mike Aresco would be willing to work a deal for East Carolina and the Belk bow? It's not like it's for Marshall it's for East Carolina we are a league member think about it

No. ECU is not a league member. ECU WILL be a league member. They will be a wonderful member in the future, but right now ECU is a CUSA member. For ECU to get the gig a current league member that will never get another chance to play in that bowl will have to be sent to another bowl. I have no problem with ECU getting the slot if the Belk bowl folks can set up a slot for an AAC team against another P-5 #5 earning the same money. I just don't think the Belk will be able to pull that off. Nobody in the AAC is going to walk away from the Belk to play in a lesser bowl--and I think that's probably the only way this could happen.

I like how ECU fans are getting so butthurt about this thread, then dozens are coming over here and in this thread saying the same exact things I said in my OP.

"Aresco would give it to us, were AAC now"
"we deserve it"
etc. etc.

ECU fans its not like im making stuff up to make fun of you, im just simply reposting your ludicrous ideas. I realize a radio station mentioned this (probably hosted by an ECU message board poster), but the fact you think AAC should just hand over our 3rd best bowl is hilarious. And no, military in no way shape or form is an even trade.

You guys can single me out for "hating" on you, but fact is there are many other posters in here saying the same thing I am, some of your own posters are saying the same thing.

I really don't understand why some fans don't want ECU to be in this bowl game.

It's pretty simple really. Because it is an AAC bowl game this year.

I have no dog in this fight and this is pretty simple: there is absolutely, positively NO circumstance where the AAC would trade the Belk Bowl to C-USA. Zero. None. The Belk can want ECU all it wants, just as I'm sure that the Belk would also love an SEC team. No conference in their right minds would trade out of a bowl where it's guaranteed a higher payout and a higher prestige opponent (and it doesn't matter if ACC #5 is ranked lower than SEC #8 in this particular year). Try asking the Big Ten if they want to just willingly give up Capital One and Outback Bowl slots because the bowl director reportedly wants a local Florida team can go instead and see how far that would get you. That would result in a massive "F**K YOU, PAY ME" reply from the Big Ten and I'd expect nothing less from even a mortally wounded AAC. There is no objective justification for the AAC to consider this regardless of what the media reports.

(11-01-2013 07:38 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  It's pretty simple really. Because it is an AAC bowl game this year.

Exactly. I mean we aren't giving up the 3rd best bowl in our lineup. The only bowl CUSA has that is comparable would be the Liberty and it would really depend on what the matchups would look like. If Houston was slotted on our side to go to Belk then I could see where it could make sense to move them to Liberty assuming the payouts were the same and the opponent was comparable.

I really don't recall different conferences ever swapping bowls but I could be wrong.

(10-31-2013 11:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  With what? The Belk has no leverage. If they cant offer the AAC a deal that allows the current AAC team an equal of better bowl--it simply isnt going to happen.

Something else to keep in mind: AAC bowls have no order of selection requirement. Meaning when it's time to select, if they have third pick, they do get the team who finished third. They get the third pick of eligible teams. So for them, worst case scenario, they will still be able to choose Cincinnati, Louisville, or Cincinnati, all of whom are about 7 hours away. As a "worst case" scenario, they are doing all right.

I am curious if Duke will even be in the Belk bowl, typically the ACC does not prefer to send bowls the same time in back-back years. Duke is the perfect Sun Bowl team

My guess
Orange - FSU
BCS - Clemson
Peach - Miami
Champs - VT
Sun - Duke (GT's last year, don't see GT going back.)
Music - GT (Duke Last year)
Belk - Maryland (If Elgible, needs 1 win)
Independence - ??
Military - ?? Good Chance not to be filled if ACC gets 2nd BCS (May be Maryland if another team becomes Elgible)

Looking at what will be needed, there is no easy path for two ACC teams for the last spots. Looking at the remaining schedule, probably BC and followed by UNC that have the best shot. Most of these teams still have to play each other and will be knocking them out. I would enjoy watching Duke & ECU, I think it would be a great game.

Needs 2
Wake (@Syr, FSU, Duke, @Vandy)
Pitt (@GT, ND, UNC, @Syr, Miami)

Needs 3
BC (VT, New Mex St, NCSU, MD, Syr)
UNC (@NCSU, UVA @Pitt, ODU, Duke)
NCSU (UNC, @Duke,@BC, ECU, MD)
Syr (WF, @MD, @FSU, Pitt, BC)

(11-01-2013 09:28 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 11:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  With what? The Belk has no leverage. If they cant offer the AAC a deal that allows the current AAC team an equal of better bowl--it simply isnt going to happen.

Something else to keep in mind: AAC bowls have no order of selection requirement. Meaning when it's time to select, if they have third pick, they do get the team who finished third. They get the third pick of eligible teams. So for them, worst case scenario, they will still be able to choose Cincinnati, Louisville, or Cincinnati, all of whom are about 7 hours away. As a "worst case" scenario, they are doing all right.

Wut?

(11-01-2013 07:31 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I really don't understand why some fans don't want ECU to be in this bowl game.

because its an AAC bowl game and we'd like to go to good bowls too.

(11-01-2013 09:28 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 11:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  With what? The Belk has no leverage. If they cant offer the AAC a deal that allows the current AAC team an equal of better bowl--it simply isnt going to happen.

Something else to keep in mind: AAC bowls have no order of selection requirement. Meaning when it's time to select, if they have third pick, they do get the team who finished third. They get the third pick of eligible teams. So for them, worst case scenario, they will still be able to choose Cincinnati, Louisville, or Cincinnati, all of whom are about 7 hours away. As a "worst case" scenario, they are doing all right.

2 Cincinnatis ought to sell it out.

(10-31-2013 12:47 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  On the CUSA board ECU fans are clammoring for the AAC to just hand them over the belk bowl. they "deserve" it. Yah, like the AAC is just going to give up its 3rd best bowl the last year we have real bowl games. They consider the military bowl a comparable bowl and just wanna trade that with us.

You are an a$$, change your subject line to the truth.

I really want to go to this or the pinstripe bowl, if a miracle doesn't happen and we win conference.

(10-31-2013 12:47 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  On the CUSA board ECU fans are clammoring for the AAC to just hand them over the belk bowl. they "deserve" it. Yah, like the AAC is just going to give up its 3rd best bowl the last year we have real bowl games. They consider the military bowl a comparable bowl and just wanna trade that with us.

Duke vs ECU, that could be the worst bowl matchup in the history of bowls. Could you imagine how poor the ratings would be.

(11-01-2013 10:33 AM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 09:28 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 11:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  With what? The Belk has no leverage. If they cant offer the AAC a deal that allows the current AAC team an equal of better bowl--it simply isnt going to happen.

Something else to keep in mind: AAC bowls have no order of selection requirement. Meaning when it's time to select, if they have third pick, they do get the team who finished third. They get the third pick of eligible teams. So for them, worst case scenario, they will still be able to choose Cincinnati, Louisville, or Cincinnati, all of whom are about 7 hours away. As a "worst case" scenario, they are doing all right.

Wut?

LOL…they will still be able to choose Cincinnati, Louisville, or Cincinnati.
hahaha


how about Cincinnati? Will they be able to choose Cincinnati?

(11-02-2013 06:37 PM)North Carolina Knights Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 12:47 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  On the CUSA board ECU fans are clammoring for the AAC to just hand them over the belk bowl. they "deserve" it. Yah, like the AAC is just going to give up its 3rd best bowl the last year we have real bowl games. They consider the military bowl a comparable bowl and just wanna trade that with us.

Duke vs ECU, that could be the worst bowl matchup in the history of bowls. Could you imagine how poor the ratings would be.

Wow, troll much. Most of North Carolina's 9+ million people would watch and would do okay nationally. This isn't the old Duke anymore. They have a good team, it would be a close game.

(11-02-2013 06:37 PM)North Carolina Knights Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 12:47 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  On the CUSA board ECU fans are clammoring for the AAC to just hand them over the belk bowl. they "deserve" it. Yah, like the AAC is just going to give up its 3rd best bowl the last year we have real bowl games. They consider the military bowl a comparable bowl and just wanna trade that with us.

Duke vs ECU, that could be the worst bowl matchup in the history of bowls. Could you imagine how poor the ratings would be.

Well, it would be WAY better than a UCF vs Duke, Houston vs Duke or even Tulane vs Duke matchup. So, no. It wouldn't be the worst matchup in bowl history.

Look forward to playing UCF again......

1...ECU fans couldn't give 2 schits about this.
2...We are going to party on Beale Street this season.

Right now CBS is projecting the American to not fill its slot in the St Petersburg Bowl and Rutgers going to the Pinstripe Bowl to play WVU.

IMO, if you are the American, you want to find a way to get ECU into the highest profile bowl as possible and try to relegate Rutgers. Cincinnati is lined up for Birmingham on the projections.

Houston is kind of in a bad spot this year, with Bowls in Orlando, Birmingham, NYC, Charlotte and St Pete.

I would think the way to do it is send Cincy to NYC, Houston to Birmingham, L-ville to Orlando and Rutgers to St Pete...which would then free up Charlotte for ECU. In that case, it would appear everyone wins and Rutgers gets to play a CUSA team (like MTSU). Sure Rutgers will be pissed, but who cares, they are leaving anyway.

If the American is not filling its bowl slots, might as well try and help out your future conference member.