(10-29-2013 09:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 09:51 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 09:27 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 09:21 AM)Bull Wrote:  I think things like location and payout are far secondary to getting a P5 opponent. THEY have drawn up the lines of separation. They want us on the 'other' side of the line. For every MAC, cUSA, whatever team we play... it's one less opportunity to prove we belong with the big boys. That's why I'm on the side of thinking this is bad news... I don't care if it's a 6-6 P5 team. If we beat them, it means we're playing at their level, period. But if we don't play them... they get to claim we're minor league all day long. Imagine a bowl season where 3 AAC teams beat P5 teams. That would be pretty cool.

Our bowl scenario is getting way to complicated to even keep track of... sounds like we will have at least 2 P5 opponents every year (AAC in Military and SEC in Birmingham) and a 3rd every other year in Dallas. I'd like to see that be 3 EVERY year, and this bowl may have ensured that.

Oh well.

No it doesn't. If your 10-3 team beats their 6-6 team it just means to everyone else that the P5 didn't really care about that game and it was one that you were supposed to win anyways. How many people do you think remember UCF beating Georgia in that bowl game? Not many.

We're going to have to disagree on this point... You think UCF fans would have been happier beating FIU? Old Dominion? Even in a down year, these teams have history and big name recognition. Especially for TV audiences.

You weren't talking about UCF fanbase, you were talking about the country and P5 teams taking notice. Sorry, no one in the nation or P5 teams took notice when UCF beat 6-6 UGA. Didn't USF beat clemson in a bowl game? I dont think i've ever heard it mentioned since.

I'll clarify my opinion just a bit... this is all relative. Of course, the P5 schools view 'having' to play us as a failure of their season... Their fans of a 6-6 school are pissed off... and ours are excited. Ironically, it's the same way if a 6-6 American team has to play a SBC team. That's just the nature of our tier conference system.

What I'm saying, is that the American fans should always want a chance to knock off the bigger school, no matter what. You bet your a** that one of our best games ever was beating Clemson in a Bowl game! How is Clemson doing this year, pretty good? and I most defintely recall UCF fans being really jazzed about their win over Georgia. For both of us, it was our first and only wins over big opponents in bowl games. I can't imagine anyone suggesting we'd have been better off playing a SBC or MAC team. Those are the wins that our fanbases really don't care about, or get much national recognition (no offense to anyone intended).

Say what you want about these guys having a 'down' year... knock off the big guys as much as possible is what gets you noticed.

(10-29-2013 09:00 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:31 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  "I can't wait to go to Shreveport, LA!"

-No One Ever

No doubt. The only thing that was attractive was the opponent.

Disagree. It was also attractive due to (1) the location being easily accessible to several AAC schools and (2) having history and name recognition. I am disappointed about this, but there is always hope for the future.

I agree. Although the bowl has fallen off over the years it still has history and would have been a good fit for our western schools. Hopefully when the SEC sends no one here over the next 6 years, they recognize working with us will provide a better opponent in the future. With that said I still think Aresco could have done a little better although he may have thought he had pocket aces when he was really sitting on a pair of dueces the whole time which maybe cost us a little better lineup. Given what he was working with I think something like this would have been attainable and although not that much different would have given us a shot at playing all the P5 conferences over the next 6 years and also given us a decent matchup against the MWC. It would have also limited the number of games against the lower P5, and would have been fairly evenly distributed east/west. I agree with most people on the blog as well regarding the NO bowl. Not sure why we didn't feel compeled to get in on that one versus what we ended up with in Boca and the Bahamas.

All 6 Compass SEC 9 (Backup ACC 10)
All 6 Armed Forces Big 12 7/ Big 10 8/9
3 Each Hawaii/Poinsetta MWC 2-3
All 6 Military ACC 7-9
All 6 Beef O Brady ACC 10 or CUSA
All 6 Miami Beach PAC 8 (Backup CUSA/MAC)

(10-29-2013 10:08 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 09:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 09:51 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 09:27 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 09:21 AM)Bull Wrote:  I think things like location and payout are far secondary to getting a P5 opponent. THEY have drawn up the lines of separation. They want us on the 'other' side of the line. For every MAC, cUSA, whatever team we play... it's one less opportunity to prove we belong with the big boys. That's why I'm on the side of thinking this is bad news... I don't care if it's a 6-6 P5 team. If we beat them, it means we're playing at their level, period. But if we don't play them... they get to claim we're minor league all day long. Imagine a bowl season where 3 AAC teams beat P5 teams. That would be pretty cool.

Our bowl scenario is getting way to complicated to even keep track of... sounds like we will have at least 2 P5 opponents every year (AAC in Military and SEC in Birmingham) and a 3rd every other year in Dallas. I'd like to see that be 3 EVERY year, and this bowl may have ensured that.

Oh well.

No it doesn't. If your 10-3 team beats their 6-6 team it just means to everyone else that the P5 didn't really care about that game and it was one that you were supposed to win anyways. How many people do you think remember UCF beating Georgia in that bowl game? Not many.

We're going to have to disagree on this point... You think UCF fans would have been happier beating FIU? Old Dominion? Even in a down year, these teams have history and big name recognition. Especially for TV audiences.

You weren't talking about UCF fanbase, you were talking about the country and P5 teams taking notice. Sorry, no one in the nation or P5 teams took notice when UCF beat 6-6 UGA. Didn't USF beat clemson in a bowl game? I dont think i've ever heard it mentioned since.

I'll clarify my opinion just a bit... this is all relative. Of course, the P5 schools view 'having' to play us as a failure of their season... Their fans of a 6-6 school are pissed off... and ours are excited. Ironically, it's the same way if a 6-6 American team has to play a SBC team. That's just the nature of our tier conference system.

What I'm saying, is that the American fans should always want a chance to knock off the bigger school, no matter what. You bet your a** that one of our best games ever was beating Clemson in a Bowl game! How is Clemson doing this year, pretty good? and I most defintely recall UCF fans being really jazzed about their win over Georgia. For both of us, it was our first and only wins over big opponents in bowl games. I can't imagine anyone suggesting we'd have been better off playing a SBC or MAC team. Those are the wins that our fanbases really don't care about, or get much national recognition (no offense to anyone intended).

Say what you want about these guys having a 'down' year... knock off the big guys as much as possible is what gets you noticed.

You are saying two things.

1. Knocking off big guys is big buzz for the team's fanbase (true)

2. Knocking off big guys will get you noticed by nation and p5 teams (untrue if teams are bad 6-6 P5 teams).

Thats the point.

I'm saying that knocking off Georgia and Clemson, even in a down year, is superior to beating FIU or Old Dominion. I'm not claiming it's equal to Louisville beating Florida... or any other BCS bowl. Clearly it's not. But in the long run beating recognizable teams is better than the alternative. Five years from now, if I'm Aresco pitching to bowls or TV, I'd rather have a resume of wins against AAC, B1G, etc. teams (even their 6-6 teams) than a resume of romps against the Sun Belt.

We can disagree on #2 and thats fine.