Do you really believe that Obama was ignorant of foreign spying?

If he was is that better or worse for O?

I think what sucks for O is that Europe is not falling for his ignorance as easily as the american public does, especially since he doesn't have their media in his back pocket.

that information gets reported to someone and someone reports it up the chain of command


where does that chain of command end???? obama

now the real question is

1) under which president did this start
2) when did obama end the practice (if he ended the practice at all)

(10-28-2013 01:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  that information gets reported to someone and someone reports it up the chain of command


where does that chain of command end???? obama

now the real question is

1) under which president did this start
2) when did obama end the practice (if he ended the practice at all)

Spying on Germany started in the forties you dolt. The problem is why we got caught. I don't blame Obama for this one.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

(10-28-2013 01:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  that information gets reported to someone and someone reports it up the chain of command


where does that chain of command end???? obama

now the real question is

1) under which president did this start
2) when did obama end the practice (if he ended the practice at all)

Are you kidding? No way he ended any spying because if he did I'll bet he would have gone public with it in an effort to make himself look better and predecessors worse. It's how he rolls.....

(10-28-2013 02:04 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 01:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  that information gets reported to someone and someone reports it up the chain of command


where does that chain of command end???? obama

now the real question is

1) under which president did this start
2) when did obama end the practice (if he ended the practice at all)

Are you kidding? No way he ended any spying because if he did I'll bet he would have gone public with it in an effort to make himself look better and predecessors worse. It's how he rolls.....

Exactly. +10000000

I don't think any President is 100% aware of everything that is going on in the CIA or FBI.

It would be impossible.

I believe that the CIA and FBI diliberately keep certain things from the President. He is on a "need to know" basis.

If he needs to know, they will tell him. If not, then they won't tell him for his own protection.

(10-28-2013 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't think any President is 100% aware of everything that is going on in the CIA or FBI.

It would be impossible.

I believe that the CIA and FBI diliberately keep certain things from the President. He is on a "need to know" basis.

If he needs to know, they will tell him. If not, then they won't tell him for his own protection.

Sooooooo, you believe Globama didn't know other leaders of the free world were targets of spying? REALLY? REALLY?!?!?

(10-28-2013 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't think any President is 100% aware of everything that is going on in the CIA or FBI.

It would be impossible.

I believe that the CIA and FBI diliberately keep certain things from the President. He is on a "need to know" basis.

If he needs to know, they will tell him. If not, then they won't tell him for his own protection.

LOL. okay, how about 10%?!?

Is there ANYTHING this denier in Chief has known about other than finding out about it "on the nightly news"? He doesn't get regular briefings about anything? If he does, what? What does he occupy his days with other than the golf?

Talk about a peculiarly incurious person. He didn't even bother to inquire about how his crown legislative jewel was coming along. He didn't know about the roll out disaster and didn't know about NSA eavesdropping? What on earth is he doing all day?

(10-28-2013 01:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  that information gets reported to someone and someone reports it up the chain of command


where does that chain of command end???? obama

now the real question is

1) under which president did this start
2) when did obama end the practice (if he ended the practice at all)

It's 6 years into his presidency... The "Bush did it" excuses have to stop...

(10-28-2013 02:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't think any President is 100% aware of everything that is going on in the CIA or FBI.

It would be impossible.

I believe that the CIA and FBI diliberately keep certain things from the President. He is on a "need to know" basis.

If he needs to know, they will tell him. If not, then they won't tell him for his own protection.

LOL. okay, how about 10%?!?

Is there ANYTHING this denier in Chief has known about other than finding out about it "on the nightly news"? He doesn't get regular briefings about anything? If he does, what? What does he occupy his days with other than the golf?

Talk about a peculiarly incurious person. He didn't even bother to inquire about how his crown legislative jewel was coming along. He didn't know about the roll out disaster and didn't know about NSA eavesdropping? What on earth is he doing all day?

Plausible deniability. Deny everything bad.................but take full credit for anything good that happens - the Obama presidency.

Besides, he likes the vacation/travel perks of the job, but I don't think much else.

(10-28-2013 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't think any President is 100% aware of everything that is going on in the CIA or FBI.

It would be impossible.

I believe that the CIA and FBI diliberately keep certain things from the President. He is on a "need to know" basis.

If he needs to know, they will tell him. If not, then they won't tell him for his own protection.

Yeah, well...

(10-28-2013 02:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't think any President is 100% aware of everything that is going on in the CIA or FBI.

It would be impossible.

I believe that the CIA and FBI diliberately keep certain things from the President. He is on a "need to know" basis.

If he needs to know, they will tell him. If not, then they won't tell him for his own protection.

LOL. okay, how about 10%?!?

Is there ANYTHING this denier in Chief has known about other than finding out about it "on the nightly news"? He doesn't get regular briefings about anything? If he does, what? What does he occupy his days with other than the golf?

Talk about a peculiarly incurious person. He didn't even bother to inquire about how his crown legislative jewel was coming along. He didn't know about the roll out disaster and didn't know about NSA eavesdropping? What on earth is he doing all day?

You nailed it.

(10-28-2013 03:15 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 02:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't think any President is 100% aware of everything that is going on in the CIA or FBI.

It would be impossible.

I believe that the CIA and FBI diliberately keep certain things from the President. He is on a "need to know" basis.

If he needs to know, they will tell him. If not, then they won't tell him for his own protection.

LOL. okay, how about 10%?!?

Is there ANYTHING this denier in Chief has known about other than finding out about it "on the nightly news"? He doesn't get regular briefings about anything? If he does, what? What does he occupy his days with other than the golf?

Talk about a peculiarly incurious person. He didn't even bother to inquire about how his crown legislative jewel was coming along. He didn't know about the roll out disaster and didn't know about NSA eavesdropping? What on earth is he doing all day?

You nailed it.

Clearly, there is ann old presidential tactic that many presidents have used: if it's bad say you didn't know about it. If it's good take credit for it.

Why should that be any different with Obama?

(10-28-2013 03:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:15 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 02:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't think any President is 100% aware of everything that is going on in the CIA or FBI.

It would be impossible.

I believe that the CIA and FBI diliberately keep certain things from the President. He is on a "need to know" basis.

If he needs to know, they will tell him. If not, then they won't tell him for his own protection.

LOL. okay, how about 10%?!?

Is there ANYTHING this denier in Chief has known about other than finding out about it "on the nightly news"? He doesn't get regular briefings about anything? If he does, what? What does he occupy his days with other than the golf?

Talk about a peculiarly incurious person. He didn't even bother to inquire about how his crown legislative jewel was coming along. He didn't know about the roll out disaster and didn't know about NSA eavesdropping? What on earth is he doing all day?

You nailed it.

Clearly, there is ann old presidential tactic that many presidents have used: if it's bad say you didn't know about it. If it's good take credit for it.

Why should that be any different with Obama?

MOST TRANSPARENT EVER!!

(10-28-2013 03:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:15 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 02:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't think any President is 100% aware of everything that is going on in the CIA or FBI.

It would be impossible.

I believe that the CIA and FBI diliberately keep certain things from the President. He is on a "need to know" basis.

If he needs to know, they will tell him. If not, then they won't tell him for his own protection.

LOL. okay, how about 10%?!?

Is there ANYTHING this denier in Chief has known about other than finding out about it "on the nightly news"? He doesn't get regular briefings about anything? If he does, what? What does he occupy his days with other than the golf?

Talk about a peculiarly incurious person. He didn't even bother to inquire about how his crown legislative jewel was coming along. He didn't know about the roll out disaster and didn't know about NSA eavesdropping? What on earth is he doing all day?

You nailed it.

Clearly, there is ann old presidential tactic that many presidents have used: if it's bad say you didn't know about it. If it's good take credit for it.

Why should that be any different with Obama?

Responsibility?

Hell, I can't even think of any "good" he's taken credit for? Cash for clunkers? Summer of Recovery? Tens of thousands of green jobs? Have the oceans healed? Lol.

Good God it could go on and on endlessly.

(10-28-2013 03:21 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:15 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 02:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't think any President is 100% aware of everything that is going on in the CIA or FBI.

It would be impossible.

I believe that the CIA and FBI diliberately keep certain things from the President. He is on a "need to know" basis.

If he needs to know, they will tell him. If not, then they won't tell him for his own protection.

LOL. okay, how about 10%?!?

Is there ANYTHING this denier in Chief has known about other than finding out about it "on the nightly news"? He doesn't get regular briefings about anything? If he does, what? What does he occupy his days with other than the golf?

Talk about a peculiarly incurious person. He didn't even bother to inquire about how his crown legislative jewel was coming along. He didn't know about the roll out disaster and didn't know about NSA eavesdropping? What on earth is he doing all day?

You nailed it.

Clearly, there is ann old presidential tactic that many presidents have used: if it's bad say you didn't know about it. If it's good take credit for it.

Why should that be any different with Obama?

Responsibility?

Hell, I can't even think of any "good" he's taken credit for? Cash for clunkers? Summer of Recovery? Tens of thousands of green jobs? Have the oceans healed? Lol.

Good God it could go on and on endlessly.

So what you are saying is that this President is somehow different than all the rest?

Yeah he gets a lot of that. We understand.

(10-28-2013 03:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:21 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:15 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 02:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  LOL. okay, how about 10%?!?

Is there ANYTHING this denier in Chief has known about other than finding out about it "on the nightly news"? He doesn't get regular briefings about anything? If he does, what? What does he occupy his days with other than the golf?

Talk about a peculiarly incurious person. He didn't even bother to inquire about how his crown legislative jewel was coming along. He didn't know about the roll out disaster and didn't know about NSA eavesdropping? What on earth is he doing all day?

You nailed it.

Clearly, there is ann old presidential tactic that many presidents have used: if it's bad say you didn't know about it. If it's good take credit for it.

Why should that be any different with Obama?

Responsibility?

Hell, I can't even think of any "good" he's taken credit for? Cash for clunkers? Summer of Recovery? Tens of thousands of green jobs? Have the oceans healed? Lol.

Good God it could go on and on endlessly.

So what you are saying is that this President is somehow different than all the rest?

Yeah he gets a lot of that. We understand.

So what you are clearly illustrating is that you can't read? Or is it the comprehension thing that's troubling?

You've skipped from "many" to "all" and now try, poorly I might add, to use your weak kneed "RACIST" charge. Find some new material or schtick, this is boring.

While you're looking up your next opinion on Mother Jones, why not post some of the "good" he has, like "many", taken credit for? I can wait.

(10-28-2013 03:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:21 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:15 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 02:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  LOL. okay, how about 10%?!?

Is there ANYTHING this denier in Chief has known about other than finding out about it "on the nightly news"? He doesn't get regular briefings about anything? If he does, what? What does he occupy his days with other than the golf?

Talk about a peculiarly incurious person. He didn't even bother to inquire about how his crown legislative jewel was coming along. He didn't know about the roll out disaster and didn't know about NSA eavesdropping? What on earth is he doing all day?

You nailed it.

Clearly, there is ann old presidential tactic that many presidents have used: if it's bad say you didn't know about it. If it's good take credit for it.

Why should that be any different with Obama?

Responsibility?

Hell, I can't even think of any "good" he's taken credit for? Cash for clunkers? Summer of Recovery? Tens of thousands of green jobs? Have the oceans healed? Lol.

Good God it could go on and on endlessly.

So what you are saying is that this President is somehow different than all the rest?

Yeah he gets a lot of that. We understand.

No, HE said HE was different than all the rest. Other Presidents doing it doesn't make stuff ok....clear?

Not a big listener of Rush Limbaugh, but this does fall within his "Limbaugh Theorem on Obama", something he articulated a while back. Limbaugh opines Obama positions himself as an outsider. He intentionally doesn't govern so he doesn't appear to be part of Washington. Limabugh states Obama presents that there is some separate mysterious, powerful forces that are opposing him and stopping him from creating jobs and giving people proper health care... but he is out there fighting for the schools teachers, firefighters and the poor.