(10-22-2013 10:41 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 10:17 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 10:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 01:57 PM)Maize Wrote:  History of the Basketball Program...Double Digit Final Four Appearances...3 National Titles is right in line with the "Blue Bloods" by the numbers.

May or may not be "Blue Blood" but make no mistake about it along with Indiana one of the 7 Elite Basketball Programs in the Country...

Didn't say they weren't. Just gave a few examples. Don't be so defensive. UL is elite. But two years in the F4 with one win, and a top 3 preseason, does not yet a "dynasty" make, as Pitino claims. That is my only point.

And your list is debatable. Depends on the criteria. How about Arizona? Or Michigan State? And what has Indiana done lately? Not an exact science.

He isn't claiming a dynasty yet, he's saying the team has the potential to be a 'Mini-Dynasty' combined w/ the past 2 seasons.

He says it takes THREE FF's in a row to have the 'makings' of such (mini-dynasty). You are interpreting him incorrectly...

No I'm not, I'm going after other statements outside the mini-dynasty thing.

As to your statement, NO, I DO NOT THINK THAT THREE F4s in a row MAKE A MINI-DYNASTY, whatever the hell that is. UCLA did it a few years back. Did one single person call that a "mini-Dynasty?"

My point is, UofL's recent successes seem to have gone to your head coaches' heads, as well as to a good part of your fan base.

The better team didn't win last Saturday? Yes, it did.

If the team goes to a third F4, it will be a mini-dynasty? No it won't. Only in Louisville's eyes, I suppose.

UCLA BB in the 60s-70s was a dynasty. Celtics BB with Auerbach and Russell was a dynasty. Bulls BB with Jordan was a dynasty.

Louisville has made two F4s, and has a good team this year. Even if they make it to the F4, is that a dynasty? Hell, no.

And is it a mini-dynasty? No, it's just a made-up word for Pitino to pat himself on the back.

Hubris all around at Louisville these days. Strong. Pitino. Jurich on Hurtt. Entertaining.

You were deliberately misquoting him, then when called on it you try to spin your way out of it in a web of words &

Own your FAIL == Own It!

(10-22-2013 11:35 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 10:41 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 10:17 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 10:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 01:57 PM)Maize Wrote:  History of the Basketball Program...Double Digit Final Four Appearances...3 National Titles is right in line with the "Blue Bloods" by the numbers.

May or may not be "Blue Blood" but make no mistake about it along with Indiana one of the 7 Elite Basketball Programs in the Country...

Didn't say they weren't. Just gave a few examples. Don't be so defensive. UL is elite. But two years in the F4 with one win, and a top 3 preseason, does not yet a "dynasty" make, as Pitino claims. That is my only point.

And your list is debatable. Depends on the criteria. How about Arizona? Or Michigan State? And what has Indiana done lately? Not an exact science.

He isn't claiming a dynasty yet, he's saying the team has the potential to be a 'Mini-Dynasty' combined w/ the past 2 seasons.

He says it takes THREE FF's in a row to have the 'makings' of such (mini-dynasty). You are interpreting him incorrectly...

No I'm not, I'm going after other statements outside the mini-dynasty thing.

As to your statement, NO, I DO NOT THINK THAT THREE F4s in a row MAKE A MINI-DYNASTY, whatever the hell that is. UCLA did it a few years back. Did one single person call that a "mini-Dynasty?"

My point is, UofL's recent successes seem to have gone to your head coaches' heads, as well as to a good part of your fan base.

The better team didn't win last Saturday? Yes, it did.

If the team goes to a third F4, it will be a mini-dynasty? No it won't. Only in Louisville's eyes, I suppose.

UCLA BB in the 60s-70s was a dynasty. Celtics BB with Auerbach and Russell was a dynasty. Bulls BB with Jordan was a dynasty.

Louisville has made two F4s, and has a good team this year. Even if they make it to the F4, is that a dynasty? Hell, no.

And is it a mini-dynasty? No, it's just a made-up word for Pitino to pat himself on the back.

Hubris all around at Louisville these days. Strong. Pitino. Jurich on Hurtt. Entertaining.

You were deliberately misquoting him, then when called on it you try to spin your way out of it in a web of words &

Own your FAIL == Own It!

Get a grip. And don't be sensitive. The world is not coming to an end.

Debate the question, instead of deflecting. Do you believe that 3 F4 appearances make a "mini-dynasty?"

Do you think Howland had a "mini-dynasty" at UCLA from 2005-08?

Do you think "mini-dynasty" is a made-up word to allow Pitino to brag on himself?

(10-23-2013 12:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 11:35 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 10:41 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 10:17 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 10:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Didn't say they weren't. Just gave a few examples. Don't be so defensive. UL is elite. But two years in the F4 with one win, and a top 3 preseason, does not yet a "dynasty" make, as Pitino claims. That is my only point.

And your list is debatable. Depends on the criteria. How about Arizona? Or Michigan State? And what has Indiana done lately? Not an exact science.

He isn't claiming a dynasty yet, he's saying the team has the potential to be a 'Mini-Dynasty' combined w/ the past 2 seasons.

He says it takes THREE FF's in a row to have the 'makings' of such (mini-dynasty). You are interpreting him incorrectly...

No I'm not, I'm going after other statements outside the mini-dynasty thing.

As to your statement, NO, I DO NOT THINK THAT THREE F4s in a row MAKE A MINI-DYNASTY, whatever the hell that is. UCLA did it a few years back. Did one single person call that a "mini-Dynasty?"

My point is, UofL's recent successes seem to have gone to your head coaches' heads, as well as to a good part of your fan base.

The better team didn't win last Saturday? Yes, it did.

If the team goes to a third F4, it will be a mini-dynasty? No it won't. Only in Louisville's eyes, I suppose.

UCLA BB in the 60s-70s was a dynasty. Celtics BB with Auerbach and Russell was a dynasty. Bulls BB with Jordan was a dynasty.

Louisville has made two F4s, and has a good team this year. Even if they make it to the F4, is that a dynasty? Hell, no.

And is it a mini-dynasty? No, it's just a made-up word for Pitino to pat himself on the back.

Hubris all around at Louisville these days. Strong. Pitino. Jurich on Hurtt. Entertaining.

You were deliberately misquoting him, then when called on it you try to spin your way out of it in a web of words &

Own your FAIL == Own It!

Get a grip. And don't be sensitive. The world is not coming to an end.

Debate the question, instead of deflecting. Do you believe that 3 F4 appearances make a "mini-dynasty?"

Do you think Howland had a "mini-dynasty" at UCLA from 2005-08?

Do you think "mini-dynasty" is a made-up word to allow Pitino to brag on himself?

Dude I was just tryin' ta Eff w/ ya. Actually kinda glad to see you didn't take the bait.

And I believe it was you who said there really are no dynasties in college any longer due to the turn over. I'd say Pitino is in agreement w/ that, and thus the term 'Mini-dynasty', which makes sense.

Yeah, I'd say Howland had a mini, but maybe it takes more, yet how much more can one get? Is three years, in this current environment, about as long a stretch as one can put together? I don't know, maybe.

In which case, no more 'full-dynasties', only minis left. I'd personally feel more comfortable w/ like a 5 year minimum span of top notch success. Yet, look at Izzo, he had about a decade with 5 or 6, FFs, and 1 title, but then that's almost more of a full dynasty. This is an interesting term/issue to kick around.

Appreciate your sense of humor and rollin w/ crap folks throw at ya!

This thread is hilarious....bottom line is this...some have an issue that the Louisville Head Basketball Coach has a lot of confidence in his team...it also goes with Coach Strong comments about his Football team after the UCF Game-(which is no different than what Dabo Swinney said after his Clemson squad got crushed by FSU).

Point blank it is this...no sugarcoating it...it is jealously...UConn fans thought they were getting the ACC BId-(until Clemson & Florida State didn't say no but HELL NO to the Huskies) and Memphis fans knowing in the back of their minds that a once peer is well ahead of them....the reason is Louisville invested in their programs...Memphis didn't...it is happening again...UCF has invested in their programs...Memphis not so much.

It also stems with the Football & Basketball success Louisville had the past two years. Some are IMO are resentful that we have played on the National Stage in the two revenue sports the past two years...what I find funny is some like Melkey is going to say he knows that Louisville will struggle...But Pitino says different and Melky complains about it...let's see...Melky is a UConn Fan and poster on this board...Rick Pitino is the two time National Championship Hall of Fame Coach who is with the Defending National Champs everyday...I take Coach Pitino word over his own team that he sees everyday.

As for Football...great win by UCF..it is their win by their program...I find it funny that some Memphis and Houston fans claim it almost as their own...especially since they have upcoming games with Louisville. I guess they know in the back of their minds it is unlikely they will win those games so they can live through the Knights success.

But in reality if both UCF and Louisville go undefeated UCF goes to the Sugar Bowl to play either Missouri, Texas A&M, Georgia or LSU...Louisville will play either Miami, Virginia Tech or Notre Dame...that fine with me...because at the end of the day as the last school that got a seat at the table in the ACC we will be just fine...especially with our time in the BIG EAST which started in 2005 to present we had success...with 2 College Baseball World Series, 2 NCAA Women's College Basketball National Runners-Up, 4 Elite Eights, 2 NCAA Men's Basketball Final Fours with a Men's Basketball National Title and 2 BCS Bowl win...

(10-23-2013 03:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  This thread is hilarious....bottom line is this...some have an issue that the Louisville Head Basketball Coach has a lot of confidence in his team...it also goes with Coach Strong comments about his Football team after the UCF Game-(which is no different than what Dabo Swinney said after his Clemson squad got crushed by FSU).

Point blank it is this...no sugarcoating it...it is jealously...UConn fans thought they were getting the ACC BId-(until Clemson & Florida State didn't say no but HELL NO to the Huskies) and Memphis fans knowing in the back of their minds that a once peer is well ahead of them....the reason is Louisville invested in their programs...Memphis didn't...it is happening again...UCF has invested in their programs...Memphis not so much.

It also stems with the Football & Basketball success Louisville had the past two years. Some are IMO are resentful that we have played on the National Stage in the two revenue sports the past two years...what I find funny is some like Melkey is going to say he knows that Louisville will struggle...But Pitino says different and Melky complains about it...let's see...Melky is a UConn Fan and poster on this board...Rick Pitino is the two time National Championship Hall of Fame Coach who is with the Defending National Champs everyday...I take Coach Pitino word over his own team that he sees everyday.

As for Football...great win by UCF..it is their win by their program...I find it funny that some Memphis and Houston fans claim it almost as their own...especially since they have upcoming games with Louisville. I guess they know in the back of their minds it is unlikely they will win those games so they can live through the Knights success.

But in reality if both UCF and Louisville go undefeated UCF goes to the Sugar Bowl to play either Missouri, Texas A&M, Georgia or LSU...Louisville will play either Miami, Virginia Tech or Notre Dame...that fine with me...because at the end of the day as the last school that got a seat at the table in the ACC we will be just fine...especially with our time in the BIG EAST which started in 2005 to present we had success...with 2 College Baseball World Series, 2 NCAA Women's College Basketball National Runners-Up, 4 Elite Eights, 2 NCAA Men's Basketball Final Fours with a Men's Basketball National Title and 2 BCS Bowl win...

Spot on! I think what irritates the Memphis fans is that when they finally think they are at our level we move on, for example C-USA to the Big East and now to the ACC. Our future is secure now. I don't know why Houston fans have such a beef with us. Like you said though, its funny seeing these teams live through UCF. Doesn't change the fact that we are still by far the best overall athletics program in this conference.

Football is coming off a Sugar Bowl victory, basketball a national championship, womens basketball a national runner-up, baseball college world series, softball team went to they're 11 straight Regional, Volleyball coming off a 30 win season and another NCAA Tournament appearance, Men's soccer played for a national title a couple years back and is ranked #12 right now, field hockey is ranked in the top 20. The list just goes on and with the move to the ACC it will only get better.

(10-22-2013 06:50 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 06:46 PM)Maize Wrote:  3 Straight Final Fours can change that....the only school in that position...

Big deal. Kentucky was in the same position a year ago and didn't even make the tournament. North Carolina was in the same position in 2009. Same result as Kentucky. Florida was in the same position as well in 2007. Again, same result. A little humility wouldn't hurt.

Yea, you were sure humbled last year.

(10-22-2013 10:56 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 10:47 PM)Maize Wrote:  So...apparently some don't like the comments of Louisville Coaches...oh well...we be us, you be you...

Exactly. But I bet if a Memphis coach or AD said something dumb or boastful or defiant to authority in public, Louisville fans would be all over it. Am I wrong? Otherwise, why have a conference message board?

Oh wait, no, Memphis is beneath Louisville fans. They would never comment.

You're coach or AD can't say anything because you've done NOTHING.

(10-22-2013 10:08 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 07:21 PM)L1C4 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 07:06 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 06:53 PM)L1C4 Wrote:  I can say this. There is not another coach out there I would take over Rick. Not one. He is very high on this team and has said absolutely we can repeat. Will we? I don't know. But we sure have a good as shot as anyone.

Obviously some think you have a good shot. I don't. Without Siva and Dieng, this will be a different team. The recent loss of Bohanan only compounds the problem.

Having a lot of talent by itself doesn't win championships. Kentucky had a lot of talent a year ago and didn't even make the tournament. It takes more than just talent.

Difference though. Calipari is not a COACH. He relies on talent to bail him out. Pitino with last years UK team probably wins the National title

Lmao...

Agree with .

For a guy who can't coach, it's awfully strange that he's been able to take 3 different programs to the Final Four. It's not like he was able to attract a ton of talent to a place like UMass. Even with Camby there, the rest of the team wasn't made up of McDonald's All americans.

The anti-Calipari is also acting like recruiting isn't part of college coaching. What coach out there is winning consistently at the highest levels without talent?

(10-23-2013 07:39 AM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 06:50 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 06:46 PM)Maize Wrote:  3 Straight Final Fours can change that....the only school in that position...

Big deal. Kentucky was in the same position a year ago and didn't even make the tournament. North Carolina was in the same position in 2009. Same result as Kentucky. Florida was in the same position as well in 2007. Again, same result. A little humility wouldn't hurt.

Yea, you were sure humbled last year.

Humility comes from the inside, not from outside circumstances. We held our heads high in the face of adversity and are proud of what our team accomplished.

UConn has won 3 national championships in the past 15 years and has never acted with the arrogance that Louisville is now showing after winning one.

(10-23-2013 01:46 AM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 12:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 11:35 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 10:41 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 10:17 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  He isn't claiming a dynasty yet, he's saying the team has the potential to be a 'Mini-Dynasty' combined w/ the past 2 seasons.

He says it takes THREE FF's in a row to have the 'makings' of such (mini-dynasty). You are interpreting him incorrectly...

No I'm not, I'm going after other statements outside the mini-dynasty thing.

As to your statement, NO, I DO NOT THINK THAT THREE F4s in a row MAKE A MINI-DYNASTY, whatever the hell that is. UCLA did it a few years back. Did one single person call that a "mini-Dynasty?"

My point is, UofL's recent successes seem to have gone to your head coaches' heads, as well as to a good part of your fan base.

The better team didn't win last Saturday? Yes, it did.

If the team goes to a third F4, it will be a mini-dynasty? No it won't. Only in Louisville's eyes, I suppose.

UCLA BB in the 60s-70s was a dynasty. Celtics BB with Auerbach and Russell was a dynasty. Bulls BB with Jordan was a dynasty.

Louisville has made two F4s, and has a good team this year. Even if they make it to the F4, is that a dynasty? Hell, no.

And is it a mini-dynasty? No, it's just a made-up word for Pitino to pat himself on the back.

Hubris all around at Louisville these days. Strong. Pitino. Jurich on Hurtt. Entertaining.

You were deliberately misquoting him, then when called on it you try to spin your way out of it in a web of words &

Own your FAIL == Own It!

Get a grip. And don't be sensitive. The world is not coming to an end.

Debate the question, instead of deflecting. Do you believe that 3 F4 appearances make a "mini-dynasty?"

Do you think Howland had a "mini-dynasty" at UCLA from 2005-08?

Do you think "mini-dynasty" is a made-up word to allow Pitino to brag on himself?

Dude I was just tryin' ta Eff w/ ya. Actually kinda glad to see you didn't take the bait.

And I believe it was you who said there really are no dynasties in college any longer due to the turn over. I'd say Pitino is in agreement w/ that, and thus the term 'Mini-dynasty', which makes sense.

Yeah, I'd say Howland had a mini, but maybe it takes more, yet how much more can one get? Is three years, in this current environment, about as long a stretch as one can put together? I don't know, maybe.

In which case, no more 'full-dynasties', only minis left. I'd personally feel more comfortable w/ like a 5 year minimum span of top notch success. Yet, look at Izzo, he had about a decade with 5 or 6, FFs, and 1 title, but then that's almost more of a full dynasty. This is an interesting term/issue to kick around.

Appreciate your sense of humor and rollin w/ crap folks throw at ya!

Thanks. You seem to be the only Card fan on here who gets the point. I'm simply poking good-hearted fun at Pitino for making up a word to congratulate himself. Ben Howland didn't feel a need to do that when he made three Final Fours in a row. A more socially polite style would be not to brag so much on yourself, and let others do that for you.

And coming on the heels of Strong's sore loser comment, and Jurich's thumbing his nose at the NCAA, I'd say that's fair game for being kidded by conference mates.

That's it. Has nothing to do with Memphis vs. Louisville, or jealousy or bitterness or blah blah blah... I would have said the same thing about any AAC AD/coaches who made similar statements in the same week.

Some of you need to take this stuff in context. Think. Don't react to a single post out of context. I post a lot in here, b/c I'm retired, and b/c it is fun, and b/c I'm an avid fan of sports, who happened to graduate from Memphis.

The great majority of my posts are positive and complimentary toward Louisville and everybody else. But I like to joke around, too. A good hint is when I post a laughing icon, lol.

My viewpoint is that a lot of Louisville fans on here feel comfortable bragging endlessly about every accomplishment they have. I have no issue with it. Homerism is fun.

HOWEVER, a few Louisville folks tend to be obnoxious about it here. So, if you do that, then be prepared for some pushback when things don't go so well for you. Like losing to UCF and then having your coach sound like a sore loser. Or having your AD tell the NCAA to kiss his azz. Or having Pitino make up a word to congratulate himself.

All in the same week. Priceless.

P.S. Maize, please get your facts straight. Memphis is pouring a LOT of money into athletics, especially football. Just finished a $25M campaign, and now well into a $40M campaign to get football everything it needs, on top of about $30M+ in improvements to the Liberty Bowl, between the city and our boosters. That's about $100M in about 2 years. And more to follow.

(10-23-2013 09:29 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 07:39 AM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 06:50 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 06:46 PM)Maize Wrote:  3 Straight Final Fours can change that....the only school in that position...

Big deal. Kentucky was in the same position a year ago and didn't even make the tournament. North Carolina was in the same position in 2009. Same result as Kentucky. Florida was in the same position as well in 2007. Again, same result. A little humility wouldn't hurt.

Yea, you were sure humbled last year.

Humility comes from the inside, not from outside circumstances. We held our heads high in the face of adversity and are proud of what our team accomplished.

UConn has won 3 national championships in the past 15 years and has never acted with the arrogance that Louisville is now showing after winning one.

Exactly my point, and exactly why it makes Louisville a good target for having fun poked at them. It seems to be okay for them to rub our noses in their success, but it is not okay for us to poke a little fun at them when things don't go quite so well.

(10-23-2013 03:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  This thread is hilarious....bottom line is this...some have an issue that the Louisville Head Basketball Coach has a lot of confidence in his team...it also goes with Coach Strong comments about his Football team after the UCF Game-(which is no different than what Dabo Swinney said after his Clemson squad got crushed by FSU).

Point blank it is this...no sugarcoating it...it is jealously...UConn fans thought they were getting the ACC BId-(until Clemson & Florida State didn't say no but HELL NO to the Huskies) and Memphis fans knowing in the back of their minds that a once peer is well ahead of them....the reason is Louisville invested in their programs...Memphis didn't...it is happening again...UCF has invested in their programs...Memphis not so much.

It also stems with the Football & Basketball success Louisville had the past two years. Some are IMO are resentful that we have played on the National Stage in the two revenue sports the past two years...what I find funny is some like Melkey is going to say he knows that Louisville will struggle...But Pitino says different and Melky complains about it...let's see...Melky is a UConn Fan and poster on this board...Rick Pitino is the two time National Championship Hall of Fame Coach who is with the Defending National Champs everyday...I take Coach Pitino word over his own team that he sees everyday.

As for Football...great win by UCF..it is their win by their program...I find it funny that some Memphis and Houston fans claim it almost as their own...especially since they have upcoming games with Louisville. I guess they know in the back of their minds it is unlikely they will win those games so they can live through the Knights success.

But in reality if both UCF and Louisville go undefeated UCF goes to the Sugar Bowl to play either Missouri, Texas A&M, Georgia or LSU...Louisville will play either Miami, Virginia Tech or Notre Dame...that fine with me...because at the end of the day as the last school that got a seat at the table in the ACC we will be just fine...especially with our time in the BIG EAST which started in 2005 to present we had success...with 2 College Baseball World Series, 2 NCAA Women's College Basketball National Runners-Up, 4 Elite Eights, 2 NCAA Men's Basketball Final Fours with a Men's Basketball National Title and 2 BCS Bowl win...

Thank you, Dr. Freud. I and the other posters here needed your psychoanalysis to tell us what our issues are and that we're suffering from a bad case of jealousy and resentment.
What would we do without you?

Let me return the favor. You said repeatedly in your post that you find this thread "hilarious" and "funny". My armchair psychology tells me that you've got your head up your butt and that you don't find any of this the least bit funny. So, spare us the lectures when we don't genuflect at the altar of Cardinals.

Why in the world are you defending a dumb comment by any of your coaches. I'm a UConn fan, but I'm the biggest critic that Jim Calhoun has here in CT. When he says something dumb - as he's done many times - I'm the first to say so. Louisville is taking so much heat here because some fans are blindly lining up behind the coach to support a comment that even he probably regrets having said at this point.

As for your analysis of me personally, I'm a big fan of Rick Pitino. I have a daughter who was a student at Providence when he took them to the Final Four. I watched him up close and personal, so I completely understand his positive attitude and his coaching abilities. You're not talking to a Pitino hater here. I admire his coaching abilities. Yet, I also understand that his exuberance can lead him to be over the top at times. That's not a bad thing. If I had a kid who could play high level basketball, I'd want him playing for a positive guy like Rick than some dumb*** bully like Calhoun who thinks he has to demean and humiliate a kid to get the most out of him. I never once complained about about saying something different about his team than I did. I respect him too much to do that. I just don't agree with him. That doesn't give me any reason to complain about whatever opinion he has about his team. He has his opinion, I have mine.

I never said that I "know that Louisville will struggle." That would be a ridiculous thing to say. No one knows the future and there are surprises every year. I don't know how Louisville will do and neither does Pitino. I offered an opinion. That opinion was not that Louisville will struggle, but that they are not an automatic to repeat either a NC or a Final Four. They lost 2 key starters from last year's team and now a third starter is in Limbo. When key pieces like that with the the experience they had have to be replaced, it means that you're rebuilding to a certain extent because your core is not the same. Louisville has a lot of talent to rebuild with and they have a smart coach, so I think they'll be very good. I just think it's premature to put them in national championship conversation at this point.

As for Rick Pitino's opinion about this team, you and I have no idea what his private opinion is. All we know is what he puts out there for public consumption. That's partly PR and it's partly to set a high standard for his players. He wants them believing in themselves and in their ability to achieve at the highest level. I get that about him. But he wouldn't be the caliber of coach that he is if he didn't see the flaws in his own team and if he didn't work to correct those flaws.

Louisville fans should be justifiably proud of what their team has achieved in recent years. and they should be justifiably excited about the possibilities for this season. Just don't expect me to buy a load of crap about a dynasty. It doesn't mean I think any less of Rick for putting that out there. I'm sure he had a good laugh about it. But if we're talking about objective analysis, Louisville has a long way to go before they're going to be fighting for a national championship.

Agree. As I've said before, dynasties are UCLA with Wooden (likely will never happen again), the Celtics with Russell, the Bulls with Jordan, etc.

Colleges almost never have dynasties, b/c of the player turnover. And there is no such thing as a "mini-dynasty." Just a made up word that is ripe for poking fun at.

(10-23-2013 09:47 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 01:46 AM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 12:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 11:35 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 10:41 PM)TripleA Wrote:  No I'm not, I'm going after other statements outside the mini-dynasty thing.

As to your statement, NO, I DO NOT THINK THAT THREE F4s in a row MAKE A MINI-DYNASTY, whatever the hell that is. UCLA did it a few years back. Did one single person call that a "mini-Dynasty?"

My point is, UofL's recent successes seem to have gone to your head coaches' heads, as well as to a good part of your fan base.

The better team didn't win last Saturday? Yes, it did.

If the team goes to a third F4, it will be a mini-dynasty? No it won't. Only in Louisville's eyes, I suppose.

UCLA BB in the 60s-70s was a dynasty. Celtics BB with Auerbach and Russell was a dynasty. Bulls BB with Jordan was a dynasty.

Louisville has made two F4s, and has a good team this year. Even if they make it to the F4, is that a dynasty? Hell, no.

And is it a mini-dynasty? No, it's just a made-up word for Pitino to pat himself on the back.

Hubris all around at Louisville these days. Strong. Pitino. Jurich on Hurtt. Entertaining.

You were deliberately misquoting him, then when called on it you try to spin your way out of it in a web of words &

Own your FAIL == Own It!

Get a grip. And don't be sensitive. The world is not coming to an end.

Debate the question, instead of deflecting. Do you believe that 3 F4 appearances make a "mini-dynasty?"

Do you think Howland had a "mini-dynasty" at UCLA from 2005-08?

Do you think "mini-dynasty" is a made-up word to allow Pitino to brag on himself?

Dude I was just tryin' ta Eff w/ ya. Actually kinda glad to see you didn't take the bait.

And I believe it was you who said there really are no dynasties in college any longer due to the turn over. I'd say Pitino is in agreement w/ that, and thus the term 'Mini-dynasty', which makes sense.

Yeah, I'd say Howland had a mini, but maybe it takes more, yet how much more can one get? Is three years, in this current environment, about as long a stretch as one can put together? I don't know, maybe.

In which case, no more 'full-dynasties', only minis left. I'd personally feel more comfortable w/ like a 5 year minimum span of top notch success. Yet, look at Izzo, he had about a decade with 5 or 6, FFs, and 1 title, but then that's almost more of a full dynasty. This is an interesting term/issue to kick around.

Appreciate your sense of humor and rollin w/ crap folks throw at ya!

Thanks. You seem to be the only Card fan on here who gets the point. I'm simply poking good-hearted fun at Pitino for making up a word to congratulate himself. Ben Howland didn't feel a need to do that when he made three Final Fours in a row. A more socially polite style would be not to brag so much on yourself, and let others do that for you.

And coming on the heels of Strong's sore loser comment, and Jurich's thumbing his nose at the NCAA, I'd say that's fair game for being kidded by conference mates.

That's it. Has nothing to do with Memphis vs. Louisville, or jealousy or bitterness or blah blah blah... I would have said the same thing about any AAC AD/coaches who made similar statements in the same week.

Some of you need to take this stuff in context. Think. Don't react to a single post out of context. I post a lot in here, b/c I'm retired, and b/c it is fun, and b/c I'm an avid fan of sports, who happened to graduate from Memphis.

The great majority of my posts are positive and complimentary toward Louisville and everybody else. But I like to joke around, too. A good hint is when I post a laughing icon, lol.

My viewpoint is that a lot of Louisville fans on here feel comfortable bragging endlessly about every accomplishment they have. I have no issue with it. Homerism is fun.

HOWEVER, a few Louisville folks tend to be obnoxious about it here. So, if you do that, then be prepared for some pushback when things don't go so well for you. Like losing to UCF and then having your coach sound like a sore loser. Or having your AD tell the NCAA to kiss his azz. Or having Pitino make up a word to congratulate himself.

All in the same week. Priceless.

P.S. Maize, please get your facts straight. Memphis is pouring a LOT of money into athletics, especially football. Just finished a $25M campaign, and now well into a $40M campaign to get football everything it needs, on top of about $30M+ in improvements to the Liberty Bowl, between the city and our boosters. That's about $100M in about 2 years. And more to follow.

Nice post.

I too am retired and so have fun posting here because of my interest in college sports. Like you, I look at things from the point of view of the school I attended and follow more closely because I live nearby and can attend games. But at this stage of my life, I'm not a rabid fan who lives and dies with UConn - especially since I've cheered for other schools where I've sent my kids and have paid tuition. With more perspective from a lifetime of enjoying college sports, I enjoy a good game where I see it and not just when it's played by the home team.

Thanks for putting your thoughts out there and for saying it so well.

(10-23-2013 09:53 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 03:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  This thread is hilarious....bottom line is this...some have an issue that the Louisville Head Basketball Coach has a lot of confidence in his team...it also goes with Coach Strong comments about his Football team after the UCF Game-(which is no different than what Dabo Swinney said after his Clemson squad got crushed by FSU).

Point blank it is this...no sugarcoating it...it is jealously...UConn fans thought they were getting the ACC BId-(until Clemson & Florida State didn't say no but HELL NO to the Huskies) and Memphis fans knowing in the back of their minds that a once peer is well ahead of them....the reason is Louisville invested in their programs...Memphis didn't...it is happening again...UCF has invested in their programs...Memphis not so much.

It also stems with the Football & Basketball success Louisville had the past two years. Some are IMO are resentful that we have played on the National Stage in the two revenue sports the past two years...what I find funny is some like Melkey is going to say he knows that Louisville will struggle...But Pitino says different and Melky complains about it...let's see...Melky is a UConn Fan and poster on this board...Rick Pitino is the two time National Championship Hall of Fame Coach who is with the Defending National Champs everyday...I take Coach Pitino word over his own team that he sees everyday.

As for Football...great win by UCF..it is their win by their program...I find it funny that some Memphis and Houston fans claim it almost as their own...especially since they have upcoming games with Louisville. I guess they know in the back of their minds it is unlikely they will win those games so they can live through the Knights success.

But in reality if both UCF and Louisville go undefeated UCF goes to the Sugar Bowl to play either Missouri, Texas A&M, Georgia or LSU...Louisville will play either Miami, Virginia Tech or Notre Dame...that fine with me...because at the end of the day as the last school that got a seat at the table in the ACC we will be just fine...especially with our time in the BIG EAST which started in 2005 to present we had success...with 2 College Baseball World Series, 2 NCAA Women's College Basketball National Runners-Up, 4 Elite Eights, 2 NCAA Men's Basketball Final Fours with a Men's Basketball National Title and 2 BCS Bowl win...

Thank you, Dr. Freud. I and the other posters here needed your psychoanalysis to tell us what our issues are and that we're suffering from a bad case of jealousy and resentment. What would we do without you?

Let me return the favor. You said repeatedly in your post that you find this thread "hilarious" and "funny". My armchair psychology tells me that you've got your head up your butt and that you don't find any of this the least bit funny. So, spare us the lectures when we don't genuflect at the altar of Cardinals.

Why in the world are you defending a dumb comment by any of your coaches. I'm a UConn fan, but I'm the biggest critic that Jim Calhoun has here in CT. When he says something dumb - as he's done many times - I'm the first to say so. Louisville is taking so much heat here because some fans are blindly lining up behind the coach to support a comment that even he probably regrets having said at this point.

As for your analysis of me personally, I'm a beg fan of Rick Pitino. I have a daughter who was a student at Providence when he took them to the Final Four. I watched him up close and personal, so I completely understand his positive attitude and his coaching abilities. You're not talking to a Pitino hater here. I admire his coaching abilities. Yet, I also understand that his exuberance can lead him to be over the top at times. That's not a bad thing. If I had a kid who could play high level basketball, I'd want him playing for a positive guy like Rick than some dumb*** bully like Calhoun who thinks he has to demean and humiliate a kid to get the most out of him.

I never said that I "know that Louisville will struggle." That would be a ridiculous thing to say. No one knows the future and there are surprises every year. I don't know how Louisville will do and neither does Pitino. I offered an opinion. That opinion was not that Louisville will struggle, but that they are not an automatic to repeat either a NC or a Final Four. They lost 2 key starters from last year's team and now a third starter is in Limbo. When key pieces like that with the the experience they had have to be replaced, it means that you're rebuilding to a certain extent because your core is not the same. Louisville has a lot of talent to rebuild with and they have a smart coach, so I think they'll be very good. I just think it's premature to put them in national championship conversation at this point.

As for Rick Pitino's opinion about this team, you and I have no idea what his private opinion is. All we know is what he puts out there for public consumption. That's partly PR and it's partly to set a high standard for his players. He wants them believing in themselves and in their ability to achieve at the highest level. I get that about him. But he wouldn't be the caliber of coach that he is if he didn't see the flaws in his own team and if he didn't work to correct those flaws.

Louisville fans should be justifiably proud of what their team has achieved in recent years. and they should be justifiably excited about the possibilities for this season. Just don't expect me to buy a load of crap about a dynasty. It doesn't mean I think any less of Rick for putting that out there. I'm sure he had a good laugh about it. But if we're talking about objective analysis, Louisville has a long way to go before they're going to be fighting for a national championship.

Rick public statements are his statements...but going by the past 12 years he poor mouths his team...he didn't do it last year and from what I understand from ppl that are close to this team...he really really like this group with or without Chane.

But I forget...you also thought the MVP of last year team was Peyton Siva who all of a sudden became in your eyes CP3...no the person we will miss is Deing not Siva.no, as good as Peyton was our best guard is/was Russ Smith the Preseason All American and one of the leading Candidates for the Wooden Award.

But the fact is this...ranked 3rd in the Coaches Poll...Back to Back BIG EAST Tournament Champions...Back to Back Final Fours and the Defending National Champions that returns the MVP of the BIG EAST Championship Game-(Montrezl Harrell), NCAA Midwest Region MVP-(Russ Smith) & Final Four MVP-(Luke Hancock).

We do know what Pitino has said in public and by many accounts in private just be prepared to be mad...just saying and giving a warning...

(10-23-2013 10:02 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 09:53 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 03:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  This thread is hilarious....bottom line is this...some have an issue that the Louisville Head Basketball Coach has a lot of confidence in his team...it also goes with Coach Strong comments about his Football team after the UCF Game-(which is no different than what Dabo Swinney said after his Clemson squad got crushed by FSU).

Point blank it is this...no sugarcoating it...it is jealously...UConn fans thought they were getting the ACC BId-(until Clemson & Florida State didn't say no but HELL NO to the Huskies) and Memphis fans knowing in the back of their minds that a once peer is well ahead of them....the reason is Louisville invested in their programs...Memphis didn't...it is happening again...UCF has invested in their programs...Memphis not so much.

It also stems with the Football & Basketball success Louisville had the past two years. Some are IMO are resentful that we have played on the National Stage in the two revenue sports the past two years...what I find funny is some like Melkey is going to say he knows that Louisville will struggle...But Pitino says different and Melky complains about it...let's see...Melky is a UConn Fan and poster on this board...Rick Pitino is the two time National Championship Hall of Fame Coach who is with the Defending National Champs everyday...I take Coach Pitino word over his own team that he sees everyday.

As for Football...great win by UCF..it is their win by their program...I find it funny that some Memphis and Houston fans claim it almost as their own...especially since they have upcoming games with Louisville. I guess they know in the back of their minds it is unlikely they will win those games so they can live through the Knights success.

But in reality if both UCF and Louisville go undefeated UCF goes to the Sugar Bowl to play either Missouri, Texas A&M, Georgia or LSU...Louisville will play either Miami, Virginia Tech or Notre Dame...that fine with me...because at the end of the day as the last school that got a seat at the table in the ACC we will be just fine...especially with our time in the BIG EAST which started in 2005 to present we had success...with 2 College Baseball World Series, 2 NCAA Women's College Basketball National Runners-Up, 4 Elite Eights, 2 NCAA Men's Basketball Final Fours with a Men's Basketball National Title and 2 BCS Bowl win...

Thank you, Dr. Freud. I and the other posters here needed your psychoanalysis to tell us what our issues are and that we're suffering from a bad case of jealousy and resentment. What would we do without you?

Let me return the favor. You said repeatedly in your post that you find this thread "hilarious" and "funny". My armchair psychology tells me that you've got your head up your butt and that you don't find any of this the least bit funny. So, spare us the lectures when we don't genuflect at the altar of Cardinals.

Why in the world are you defending a dumb comment by any of your coaches. I'm a UConn fan, but I'm the biggest critic that Jim Calhoun has here in CT. When he says something dumb - as he's done many times - I'm the first to say so. Louisville is taking so much heat here because some fans are blindly lining up behind the coach to support a comment that even he probably regrets having said at this point.

As for your analysis of me personally, I'm a beg fan of Rick Pitino. I have a daughter who was a student at Providence when he took them to the Final Four. I watched him up close and personal, so I completely understand his positive attitude and his coaching abilities. You're not talking to a Pitino hater here. I admire his coaching abilities. Yet, I also understand that his exuberance can lead him to be over the top at times. That's not a bad thing. If I had a kid who could play high level basketball, I'd want him playing for a positive guy like Rick than some dumb*** bully like Calhoun who thinks he has to demean and humiliate a kid to get the most out of him.

I never said that I "know that Louisville will struggle." That would be a ridiculous thing to say. No one knows the future and there are surprises every year. I don't know how Louisville will do and neither does Pitino. I offered an opinion. That opinion was not that Louisville will struggle, but that they are not an automatic to repeat either a NC or a Final Four. They lost 2 key starters from last year's team and now a third starter is in Limbo. When key pieces like that with the the experience they had have to be replaced, it means that you're rebuilding to a certain extent because your core is not the same. Louisville has a lot of talent to rebuild with and they have a smart coach, so I think they'll be very good. I just think it's premature to put them in national championship conversation at this point.

As for Rick Pitino's opinion about this team, you and I have no idea what his private opinion is. All we know is what he puts out there for public consumption. That's partly PR and it's partly to set a high standard for his players. He wants them believing in themselves and in their ability to achieve at the highest level. I get that about him. But he wouldn't be the caliber of coach that he is if he didn't see the flaws in his own team and if he didn't work to correct those flaws.

Louisville fans should be justifiably proud of what their team has achieved in recent years. and they should be justifiably excited about the possibilities for this season. Just don't expect me to buy a load of crap about a dynasty. It doesn't mean I think any less of Rick for putting that out there. I'm sure he had a good laugh about it. But if we're talking about objective analysis, Louisville has a long way to go before they're going to be fighting for a national championship.

Rick public statements are his statements...but going by the past 12 years he poor mouths his team...he didn't do it last year and from what I understand from ppl that are close to this team...he really really like this group with or without Chane.

But I forget...you also thought the MVP of last year team was Peyton Siva who all of a sudden became in your eyes CP3...no the person we will miss is Deing not Siva.no, as good as Peyton was our best guard is/was Russ Smith the Preseason All American and one of the leading Candidates for the Wooden Award.

But the fact is this...ranked 3rd in the Coaches Poll...Back to Back BIG EAST Tournament Champions...Back to Back Final Fours and the Defending National Champions that returns the MVP of the BIG EAST Championship Game-(Montrezl Harrell), NCAA Midwest Region MVP-(Russ Smith) & Final Four MVP-(Luke Hancock).

We do know what Pitino has said in public and by many accounts in private just be prepared to be mad...just saying and giving a warning...

Just IMO, but I believe Pitino has raised his hype to account for the carnival barker down the road in Lexington.

TRest3, I think you might be on to something.

Memphis isn't investing in their program this time around? Are you crazy? I think we are doing a pretty good job with Bowen and Fuente. Especially our president Martin doing with raising money. Get your facts straight Maize

(10-23-2013 01:55 PM)Geotag Wrote:  Memphis isn't investing in their program this time around? Are you crazy? I think we are doing a pretty good job with Bowen and Fuente. Especially our president Martin doing with raising money. Get your facts straight Maize

Talking about Facilities....just look at what UCF has done with their Football Facilities as compared to Memphis...wake me when you get the on campus Football Stadium....

(10-23-2013 02:09 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 01:55 PM)Geotag Wrote:  Memphis isn't investing in their program this time around? Are you crazy? I think we are doing a pretty good job with Bowen and Fuente. Especially our president Martin doing with raising money. Get your facts straight Maize

Talking about Facilities....just look at what UCF has done with their Football Facilities as compared to Memphis...wake me when you get the on campus Football Stadium....

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Go back and read the bottom of Post #70. About $100M has been/is bring put into (mostly) Memphis football FACILITIES over the past two years or so, including about $30M to the Liberty Bowl. Have you even been there in the past two years? Or taken a walk on our south campus? I doubt it.

Beyond that, it makes absolutely no sense to build an on campus stadium right now. The money can be better spent elsewhere. And the Liberty Bowl has been updated to the point that it's a great place to play. And tailgate.

If you're going to be critical of something, make sure you know what you're talking about.