(10-15-2013 11:52 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 12:01 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  Yeah, sorry, but Tejada was way overranked by ESPN.

247 had him rated in their top 150 until he signed with us. He's still has a 89 grade on 247 and is rated 163rd, and he's still a 4 star on ESPN. Neither have dropped him much, and I suspect they both dropped him just enough to get him out of the visible top 100 list since it didn't fit with the program or what you would expect.

I don't think that he is overated though. From the clips I've seen he looks like a guy that could lead the nation in assist, especially in our offense here I could see that. He's not big but he looks really good.




Had offers from

Florida State, Miami, Alabama, Butler, Texas A&M, Virginia etc

Lol, he is not going to lead the nation in assist but he is a solid player. He is going to be a good floor general.

(10-15-2013 11:52 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 12:01 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  Yeah, sorry, but Tejada was way overranked by ESPN.

247 had him rated in their top 150 until he signed with us.

FYI...he hasn't (can't) signed with ECU (or any team) yet...as the early 2014 signing period starts next Month (Nov).

(10-15-2013 12:09 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  FYI...he hasn't (can't) signed with ECU (or any team) yet...as the early 2014 signing period starts next Month (Nov).

I know. I got lazy. I think there is little chance of him de-commiting after reading the interview with him.

(10-15-2013 12:08 PM)Geotag Wrote:  Lol, he is not going to lead the nation in assist but he is a solid player. He is going to be a good floor general.

Whatever. Our last 2 point guards nearly did including Paul just last year....

Brock Young 7.6 assist per game (2nd in the nation)

Miguel Paul 7.2 assist per game (7th in the nation)

Our offense was 18th in the nation last year. This guy averaged 9+ apg last year as a JR in high school and looks like a pass first PG which neither Paul or Young were, even at ECU. Both of them led us in scoring 15+ppg during their career too so if they can get top 7 nationally in assist, I'd love to see a pass first one in this offense.

To say Tejada could potientally lead the nation in assist here under Lebo is not a reach at all with the kinds of shooters we have been recruiting and the offensive Lebo runs. I expect this guy to eventually average 7+ assist.

(10-15-2013 08:08 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I don't think their rating has changed, though, it's still an 80... so I'd guess they just changed the ratings on a few other players, pushing him out of the top 100.

This! People take this way too seriously, often not understanding how it works: fans of my own team included. If you want to see if there is an agenda, look at the player's rating, not their rank. Often times their rating will stay the same, but their "rank" will drop because of movement by other players. This happened with Teddy Bridgewater (different sport I know). He was rated I want to say an 8.8 or something, and was ranked 24th, and thus a five star recruit. As they rear went on, they did some reevaluations and his raring actually rose to an 8.9. However a few players who were below him had their ratings rise as well, and his final "rank" ended up being 29th, and because there are only 25 Five Star Recruits, he fell to a 4 Star, causing a stir among our fans. They just didn't understand.

The same thing happens in the AP and Coach's polls too by the way.

ESPN did drop his ranking 1 point from 81 to 80 (still a 4 star). I suspect they saw it as an opportunity as close as he was just to get him off their top 100 list mainly for perception. You see ECU recruiting top 100 players on your list and it makes people nationally start to wonder even though he was rated highly by their scouts as well as on some other sites. I bet had he committed to any of the number of BCS schools that offered him he'd still be there.

(10-15-2013 01:35 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  ESPN did drop his ranking 1 point from 81 to 80 (still a 4 star). I suspect they saw it as an opportunity as close as he was just to get him off their top 100 list mainly for perception. You see ECU recruiting top 100 players on your list and it makes people nationally start to wonder even though he was rated highly by their scouts as well as on some other sites. I bet had he committed to any of the number of BCS schools that offered him he'd still be there.

Well, hopefully the AAC kicks ass in basketball and Lebo continues to improve ECU to the point that nobody thinks it's unusual for a top 100 player to commit to the Pirates.

It doesn't really matter. We only lose one player this year and this is one of the most talented class we have ever had coming in. We already have 3 transfer here and working out with the team and coaches that will be available next year. I think that will go a long way.

Transfers

Whisnant 6-3, 190- Jr, Starter at Florida State

Negeze 6-8, 220- So, had offers from Xavier and ODU out of high school and ACC interest when he transfered this summer according to his coach

Armstrong 6-7, 240- Jr, end of the Rotation on an NIT team.

Freshman

Tejada 6-1, 175- Fr, 4 star recruit

Tyson 6-4, 180- Fr, proping this year or we probably don't get him. 28ppg 9rpg 6apg

Bryant 6-7, 200- Fr 3 star with offer from Cincy

We should be able to compete for top half of the AAC in year one.

Admittedly I don't know much about ECU's BB team. However, just basing on what you have posted here, I don't see how getting fringe players - as compared to "the top half of the AAC", not in general - will make ECU compete for the top half of the conference in year one, in which top half means a 1-5 slot. From what I can see, at least the first year of conference in it's future incarnation, Cincy, Memphis, UConn, and Temple seem to have the top four slots locked down for that season, leaving just one slot open, with SMU and UCF seeming to have an inside track on. That doesn't leave a lot of room to move up.

We had the 5th highest ranked team at the end of last year of the new AAC.

#14 Memphis
#40 Temple
#47 UConn
#49 Cincy
#67 ECU
#101 UCF

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/rpi

It's not a streach to say that we can compete at this level

We lose 1 player this year so we will have 4 returning starters and all the back ups returning for next season, and only 2 of them will even be seniors. We will also add a former 4 star player that was starting at Florida State who is already working out with the team, as well as 4 star freshman in Tejada. Those are instant impact players.

I think we will be able to compete for top 6 and Temple, UCF in our first year in the AAC and probably the NCAA bubble.

Sixth place is not "top half" in an 11 team league

Fine I think we can compete with UCF and Temple for 5th place in our first year.

LOLOL at ecu conspiracy theorist.

ESPN: "hey guys we have a recruit here in our top 100 who just verballed to ECU. Gotta get him out of the top 100 ASAP it'll make us look bad"

SMU has as much basketball pedigree as ECU but espn doesn't mind them having the #5 player in the country. Oh yeah his ranking went UP after he committed.

UCF has the #80 player. We have as much tradition and national relevance as ECU. We should see him being demoted outside of the top 100 soon, right? Unless you think UCF is more reputable....

(10-15-2013 03:18 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  LOLOL at ecu conspiracy theorist.

ESPN: "hey guys we have a recruit here in our top 100 who just verballed to ECU. Gotta get him out of the top 100 ASAP it'll make us look bad"

I'm sure sometimes a player is just over hyped and starts dropping anyway. Those are probably a lot of the type of previously high ranked guys we'd get at this level anyway that some of the BCS might have started to back off from. That said I do think there is some truth in how they adjust these rankings to fit perception. They are trying to sell subscriptions too. It really seems to happen a lot in football as soon as a BCS school lands a guy he gets a star added almost by default it seems.

Quote:SMU has as much basketball pedigree as ECU but espn doesn't mind them having the #5 player in the country. Oh yeah his ranking went UP after he committed.

SMU has one of the top 5 coaches of all time, he's his own pedigree. Getting a top 5 player doesn't shock me and I doubt does most people. It makes sense. BTW when Mundiay 1st year I think SMU might be the best team in AAC.

Quote:UCF has the #80 player. We have as much tradition and national relevance as ECU. We should see him being demoted outside of the top 100 soon, right? Unless you think UCF is more reputable....

I think it's a lot harder to drop a guy that's 80 out of the top 100 than a guy that was 96.

(10-15-2013 02:49 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Fine I think we can compete with UCF and Temple for 5th place in our first year.

I can’t speak for UCF, but in the 2014 – 15 season Temple will have one of the strongest rosters it has had in a while. TU will lose only one senior from this season team, Texas transfer Jaylen Bond will be eligible, and all the freshmen that will be forced to play a lot of minutes this season will be experienced. Temple will have size and experience next season and I can see them right in the mix with UC, UConn, and Memphis for the conference title.

This season, now that’s going to be a work in progress.

It will not matter if Memphis lands Cliff Alexander!!

(10-15-2013 06:18 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  Temple will have size and experience next season and I can see them right in the mix with UC, UConn, and Memphis for the conference title.

From what I've seen Memphis, SMU, Cincy ,and UConn seem like they project as the top tier 2 years out and likely the top 4 and pretty certain NCAA teams. The best of the rest I think could go to basically go to any one else but Tulane. I think they are clearly looking like the bottom.

Hey ECU fans. How can anyone think we will be good this year. Above average I hope. We have 2 guys back that played any substantial minutes and neither a starter. If we have a winning record it will be because of Lebo.

(10-15-2013 09:24 PM)whitey Wrote:  Hey ECU fans. How can anyone think we will be good this year. Above average I hope. We have 2 guys back that played any substantial minutes and neither a starter. If we have a winning record it will be because of Lebo.

Has anyone said we will be "good" this year? I was looking forward to our first year in the AAC. As far as what we have though, Akeem Richmond is certainly one of the 5 or 10 best players in CUSA this year and in all likely hood a top five 3 point shooter in America. That's not an exaggeration. If Lebo had actually played him over Bowden/Gaines like he had to after their injuries and for the entire season he would have had probably one of the greatest 3 point shooting years in history of college basketball. Who knows how much better we would have finished as well.

If he's playing the entire year 30-35 minutes instead of 20 he might pick up a ton of slack. You saw what happened when when Richmond got 28 minutes down the streach we were a different team. The pace Richmond hit three's per 40 minutes was the #1 in history of college basketball, even greater than Steph Curry. He can carry a team pretty far and there are still enough around him to potentially surprise.

Akeem Richmond doesn't belong in the same sentence as Steph Curry.

(10-15-2013 10:52 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  Akeem Richmond doesn't belong in the same sentence as Steph Curry.

As far as 3 point shooting he certainly does. The pace and percentage he hit them at last year was all time good. No one that has ever shot enough to qualify has hit threes at the pace he did. He should have a good chance to break Curry's record this year.

Akeem Richmond's Jr year Per 40 minutes
6.0 three's per game
42.0% from 3

Steph Curry's Jr year Per 40 minutes
4.5 three's per game
38.7% from 3

JJ Redick Jr year Per 40 minutes
3.9 three's per game
40.3% from 3