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(10-09-2013 09:24 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  How does it make financial sense for a school with announced attendance of 18k to build a stadium for $78 million? So maybe 8k a game actually bought a ticket.

Unlike Minnesota (and Florida?) where the state will pay for stadiums, nearly all the cost in Texas must be raised from the alums, the students, corporations and revenue bonds. In North Texas' case, the students voted to levy a fee on themselves. Student fees are responsible for well over half the cost. If there's a classroom in there somewhere, they got $5M from the state. They got $20M from Apogee for naming rights. I'm sure they probably raised $10M or so from their alums.
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I actually think it'd be cool if our first game in our new stadium would be a rice butt kicking!
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(10-09-2013 11:37 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Unlike Minnesota (and Florida?) where the state will pay for stadiums....

Ah...no.

UCF had to finance their own on-campus stadium project by themselves...(i.e. no state funds for stadiums)...as you can thank FSU for that who stole tens of $$$$ of $$$ when they put in a few classrooms into Doak Campbell Stadium...yet used 95% of the state funds they received to expand the stadium for football fan use.
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(10-09-2013 11:52 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(10-09-2013 11:37 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Unlike Minnesota (and Florida?) where the state will pay for stadiums....

Ah...no.

UCF had to finance their own on-campus stadium project by themselves...(i.e. no state funds for stadiums)...as you can thank FSU for that who stole tens of $$$$ of $$$ when they put in a few classrooms into Doak Campbell Stadium...yet used 95% of the state funds they received to expand the stadium for football fan use.

I didn't know that but I actually applaud that...what a creative and effective 'work around'. Bravo to FSU....bravo.
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(10-09-2013 08:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  You obviously don't know how this works exactly. I could explain it to you but you are not interested in what I have to say. You'll be contrary and argue against me and argue against points I never made to change the subject and direction of the conversation to fit your argument.

You are talking to the wrong person on that one. If anything, most people get annoyed by my insinstance of not allowing people to change vaiables to change the point. Do you know why the BCS conferences shared 90% fo the BCS money and not 100%? Because they ALWAYS shared a small percentage with the non-BCS teams. Then when they started crashing the party (first Utah, then Boise, then Hawaii, then the jail break after) they all received the at-large payout. The complaint was the at-large payout, while more money than those conferences (whose champion made it) were paid far less than the other conference champions, because they were paid the "at large" share. So while the champions of every other conference (at the time) got $17 million, they were getting something like $6 million, which was close to the share Notre Dame received whether they made a game or not. Later the payout system was revised, and while non-BCS teams still did not receive a full share, they received more than a normal "at-large" team did.

But never did the recipient have to share that money, the money from making the BCS game, with the other 5 conferences. They just shared it with their own, and by the time they get their cut from the conference, they lost money. Just like everyone else who went to a BCS Bowl.
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(10-09-2013 09:24 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  How does it make financial sense for a school with announced attendance of 18k to build a stadium for $78 million? So maybe 8k a game actually bought a ticket.

If you look at it from a gate receipt, pure transaction based dollars and sense transaction (new revenue vs. added cost) , you will struggle a stadium renovation or new stadium built in the last 15 years, anywhere in the country at any level for any sport that makes financial sense. They all use fuzzy math that would make an accountant's head spin.

I equate it to when a company builds a new headquarters. I used to work at a company who back in 1998 spent over $100 million building two new offices, one a 50 story building, and one a campus like building, that was only six stories. They were both wonderful buildings by the way. Anyway, using pure dollars and sense, being that we were not a retail shop so to speak (as in customers did not come into these buildings, so it's not like they can lead to increased sales) it's hard to see how spending $100 million (probably close to $170 million in today's money) on new back office housing is beneficial to the bottom line on a transaction basis. And it probably wasn't. But in time, the value becomes apparent with just the way it improves the perception of the brand. I can't explain it, but it made the company look a lot more major league. The company was sold a few years later for what was said to be double the market capitalization value. Of course the fault in this example is both buildings were later sold netting well over $300 million, so I guess there was a different type of value.

Anyway my point is looking at revenue in, expenditures out, you are probably right on the money. But there is an inherent long term value that comes from having adequate to top notch facilities that go beyond gate revenue. Almost like companies who advertise on TV, not a particular new product, but just constantly advertise so you are always reminded of them. Such as Budweiser, Ford, or AllState.

They may pour $30 million or more into a building on campus to enhance research, add classrooms, etc. Now many schools are full in terms of enrollment, to where adding such buildings cannot really increase the student population. And you likely are not going to now start being able to raise tuition simply because of it. Using the same calculations it would be hard to justify it. But when taken into a whole, with other improvements, other investments, they add up to improve the overall value of the educational experience. And that is where the value comes in. I would say that renovated and new stadiums, seem to fit that mold.
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(10-09-2013 04:15 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  2013
UNC Charlotte - McColl-Richardson Field at 49ers Stadium
15,300
$45M
Hellas Matrix (artificial)
DLR Group with Jackson Peer Architects
Undisclosed field naming rights deal
Stadium naming rights as yet unsold

We got approximately 2 million for the field name and 10 million for the stadium name. We also got 2 or 2.5 million (can't remember which) for the field house.

The stadium name is Jerry Richardson Stadium. Field is Richardson-McColl Field. and the field house is Judy Rose Field House (although the money was donated by long time donor Dale Halton whom our basketball arena is named after).

Sorry if that had already been answered, I didn't read through the whole thread.
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