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(10-18-2014 04:49 PM)Liam9903 Wrote:  No doubt but it holds 60k and CMU still has the top two attended games in that bowls history. I think being 7-5 for the game tampered excitement some. If we go into a Detroit game as MAC champs then I think we would be having a different conversation.

probably true. CMU did only have like 23K the year after we went with a similar record FWIW
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They also had Dan the man at QB and were MAC champs. But I agree that our record might not have excited casual fans.
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It's great that we can talk about bowling possibilities this time of year. The future's so bright, the Admiral has to wear shades.
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(10-18-2014 04:43 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  Not to get ahead here, but one of the warmer destinations in December would be much more appealing than Detroit. But at this point, any bowl game will do.

The warmer destinations do some more appealing, and also sound like more of a reward to the coaches and players. There are advantages to playing in Detroit, though, as well. One advantage that I like in comparison to the other bowl possibilities would be getting to play an ACC team (assuming they fill all of their bowl slots). Getting a shot at a G5 team excites me more than, say, taking on a middle-of-the-pack Sun Belt or C-USA team.
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Quote:Getting a shot at a G5 team excites me more than, say, taking on a middle-of-the-pack Sun Belt or C-USA team.

I assumed you mean P5 -- like Purdue from a few years back -- which, I agree... but I'd take a win over 7-5 CUSA over loss against a 6-6 ACC. However, I know where you're coming from: Who would I choose to play if both teams are relatively in the same 'league'? The 6-6 ACC team.
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I'm tired of playing tough teams in bowl games. I want to go the CMU route and get a bowl game against the shittiest opponent possible and (finally) get a win.
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(10-20-2014 09:34 AM)thegeneral Wrote:  I'm tired of playing tough teams in bowl games. I want to go the CMU route and get a a bowl game against the shittiest opponent possible and (finally) get a win.

Well, we could meet everyones needs by playing a Big Ten team.
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(10-20-2014 09:37 AM)brovol Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 09:34 AM)thegeneral Wrote:  I'm tired of playing tough teams in bowl games. I want to go the CMU route and get a a bowl game against the shittiest opponent possible and (finally) get a win.

Well, we could meet everyones needs by playing a Big Ten team.
LOL.

In regards to that LCPB team we had, I was looking at the results of that regular season again and we lost by less then a TD to Illinois, Eastern, and Toledo. A competitive team we had with lots of talent that got us some nice wins, but one that had fallen short so many times.
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(10-20-2014 02:39 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  I assumed you mean P5.

I did - thanks for the correction, Todd.
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(10-20-2014 12:47 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  In regards to that LCPB team we had, I was looking at the results of that regular season again and we lost by less then a TD to Illinois, Eastern, and Toledo. A competitive team we had with lots of talent that got us some nice wins, but one that had fallen short so many times.

Looking back on that 2011 team, Carder was kind of the anti-Terrell: much more of a runner and a gunslinger, but far more likely to hurt the team with interceptions. I don't think anyone would ever accuse Carder of being a "game manager..."
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I think I count 74 bowl slots this year vs. 70 last two years. If that is correct, I would think all 7-5 teams make a bowl and several (maybe most) 6-6 teams.
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38 Bowls (6 BCS Bowls + 32 Regular Bowls) = 76 teams.

I counted that from Wiki, anyway -- and Wiki claims the same #.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014-15_NCA...bowl_games

The MAC has 5 tie-ins. We could get a 6th if others fall short.
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RE: Bowling possibilities
BOWL ELIGIBLE TEAMS IF CONTINUING SAME WAY:

AAC: 6 (+1 3-4 team)
ACC: 11 (+2 3-4 teams; has a 4-4 team counted)
B12: 6 (+2 3-4 teams)
B10: 9 (+3 3-4 teams)
CUSA: 6 (+3 3-4 teams; has 2 3-3 teams counted)
IND: 2 (+1 3-4 team)
MAC: 6 (+1 3-4 team; has 2 4-4 teams counted)
MW: 7 (+1 3-4 team; has a 3-3 team counted)
P12: 10
SEC: 11 (+2 3-4 teams; has a 3-3 team counted)
SUNB: 6 (has 3 3-3 teams counted)

Going by this #: 80 Teams -- probably 4 teams will be left out. BUT, that # can obviously lower if the low-end teams start winning some games, and depending on the near-.500 teams' schedule difficulty the rest of the way.
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(10-20-2014 09:19 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  BOWL ELIGIBLE TEAMS IF CONTINUING SAME WAY:

AAC: 6 (+1 3-4 team)
ACC: 11 (+2 3-4 teams; has a 4-4 team counted)
B12: 6 (+2 3-4 teams)
B10: 9 (+3 3-4 teams)
CUSA: 6 (+3 3-4 teams; has 2 3-3 teams counted)
IND: 2 (+1 3-4 team)
MAC: 6 (+1 3-4 team; has 2 4-4 teams counted)
MW: 7 (+1 3-4 team; has a 3-3 team counted)
P12: 10
SEC: 11 (+2 3-4 teams; has a 3-3 team counted)
SUNB: 6 (has 3 3-3 teams counted)

Going by this #: 80 Teams -- probably 4 teams will be left out. BUT, that # can obviously lower if the low-end teams start winning some games, and depending on the near-.500 teams' schedule difficulty the rest of the way.

Remember when there were 72 bowl eligible teams for 70 slots, and we got the shaft? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
We just need to keep winning games.
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(10-20-2014 09:01 PM)ru4wmu Wrote:  I think I count 74 bowl slots this year vs. 70 last two years. If that is correct, I would think all 7-5 teams make a bowl and several (maybe most) 6-6 teams.

NCAA bowl selection guidelines, per Wikipedia:

Occasionally there will be more bowl eligible teams than there are spots in the NCAA football bowl games in the season. In these cases, some bowl eligible teams will not be invited to play in any NCAA football bowl game. Typically, teams with seven or more wins will not be left out of bowl games, although many seasons, most recently 2012, see at least one such team uninvited. Before the 2010–11 season, the Division I rulebook, specifically Bylaw 30.9.2.1, had several provisions that attempted to ensure that teams with seven wins will receive preference for bowl bids:

- Bowl games that have a contract with a conference must select a team with at least seven wins if one is available.

- Any bowl berths that become eligible when a conference fails to meet its contracted tie-ins must first be filled by any eligible seven-win teams before any remaining FBS 6–6 teams can be accommodated.

- Additionally, conferences are not allowed to sign contingency agreements with bowl games that would allow 6–6 teams from their conferences to receive bowl berths at the expense of any potential team with seven or more wins. While this does not prevent conferences from signing contingency agreements that are triggered when a second conference is unable to provide enough eligible teams to fill all of its contracted berths, it does not allow a 6–6 team from the contingency conference access to a bowl game over a seven win team from a third conference.
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In 2010, Temple went 8-4 and couldn't go to a bowl. *8* wins.

Quote:- Bowl games that have a contract with a conference must select a team with at least seven wins if one is available.

Okay, 7-5s can't be trumped by 6-6s within the same conference. If we go 7-5, we can't be trumped by a 6-6 Ohio. Makes sense, although it won't prevent 7-5s from going when such conf-tie-ins are filled.

Quote:- Any bowl berths that become eligible when a conference fails to meet its contracted tie-ins must first be filled by any eligible seven-win teams before any remaining FBS 6–6 teams can be accommodated.

So when there's NO degree of ANY tie-ins to ANY Conferences -- a free-for-all -- that's when a 7-5 Texas State has to be selected over a 6-6 UCLA. Ok...

Quote:- Additionally, conferences are not allowed to sign contingency agreements with bowl games that would allow 6–6 teams from their conferences to receive bowl berths at the expense of any potential team with seven or more wins. While this does not prevent conferences from signing contingency agreements that are triggered when a second conference is unable to provide enough eligible teams to fill all of its contracted berths, it does not allow a 6–6 team from the contingency conference access to a bowl game over a seven win team from a third conference.

So, what does this mean exactly? So you have to select the 3rd conference's 7-5 over the 2nd conference's 6-6... but will the 1st conference's 6-6 get in over the 3rd conference's 7-5?

All in all, don't count on us going to a bowl at 6-6. At 7-5, yes, I would count on it. We'd probably be at least #5 in the conference at 7-5 (5 MAC direct tie-ins). At 6-6, although possible, I wouldn't bank on it -- we'd need to get lucky. Unless there's somehow a shortage. So the question is -- would a 6-6 WMU, filling the 5th & final MAC direct tie-in bowl, get higher preference, over, say, a CUSA 7-5 team who has no ties? I would think we would be OK then -- as long as CUSA is not at ALL directly or indirectly tied into the bowl.
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Aren't there also more FBS teams this year? Ga Southern and Appy State come to mind.
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Not sure if this will come into play, but the NCAA has allowed 6-6 teams that lose their conference championship game to be bowl eligible too....that's certainly a possibility in a league like ours.
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Quote:Not sure if this will come into play, but the NCAA has allowed 6-6 teams that lose their conference championship game to be bowl eligible too....that's certainly a possibility in a league like ours.

I believe that was UCLA or whomever a couple years ago or so. Due to USC not being post-season eligible, they were 6-6 going into the PAC12 champ game & lost, going 6-7 -- and they lobbied to go to a bowl game because they were 'forced' to go to the PAC12 champ game -- thus, they were allowed, to be treated as a 6-6 despite being under .500.

I believe all 6-6 teams are NOT put on a waiting list behind 7-5s or better. It's just IF they're on "the list" of teams to go. The MAC isn't affiliated with any other bowls besides the 5 that we're directly tied to. Thus, a 6th MAC team at 7-5 would only trump another 6-6 team to go to a bowl *IF* said bowl ran out of conference ties and had to look all around the country randomly. THEN and only then would the left-over 7-5 MAC team have to be chosen over, say, a 6-6 ACC/SEC/P12 team.

We shouldn't run into those problems, though. Is there really going to be *6* 7-5 teams or better this year in the MAC, where one's going to be left out? MAYBE.

Current-to-Likely-and-Possible:
- Toledo (4-3) --> 8-4/7-5 [UMass, @Kent, @NIU, BGSU, EMU]
- NIU (5-2) --> 8-4 [@EMU, @BSU, Toledo, @Ohio, @WMU]
- BGSU (5-3) --> 7-5 [@Akron, Kent, @Toledo, BSU]
- Akron (4-3) --> 7-5 [@BSU, BGSU, @Buff, UMass, @Kent]
- WMU (4-3) --> 7-5/6-6 [Ohio, @Miami, EMU, @CMU, NIU]
- CMU (4-4) --> 7-5 [@Buff, @EMU, Miami, WMU]
- Ohio (4-4) --> 6-6 [@WMU, Buff, NIU, @Miami]

If Ohio beats us, they very well may go 7-5, and us go 6-6. If we beat Ohio, we'll go 7-5 at least. So it looks like, unless Kent, BSU, Buff, and UMass start knocking people out (which may happen) -- we'll have *6* 7-5 teams.

The 6th left out could go to a bowl game IF there's a shortage of direct & in-direct conference tie-ins in other bowls *and* a shortage of 7-5 teams out there. Doubt it, though.
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(10-21-2014 11:47 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Current-to-Likely-and-Possible:
- Toledo (4-3) --> 8-4/7-5 [UMass, @Kent, @NIU, BGSU, EMU]
- NIU (5-2) --> 8-4 [@EMU, @BSU, Toledo, @Ohio, @WMU]
- BGSU (5-3) --> 7-5 [@Akron, Kent, @Toledo, BSU]
- Akron (4-3) --> 7-5 [@BSU, BGSU, @Buff, UMass, @Kent]
- WMU (4-3) --> 7-5/6-6 [Ohio, @Miami, EMU, @CMU, NIU]
- CMU (4-4) --> 7-5 [@Buff, @EMU, Miami, WMU]
- Ohio (4-4) --> 6-6 [@WMU, Buff, NIU, @Miami]

I think Toledo will win out, but even if they lose one, they're good at 8+ wins.
NIU is still kind of a mystery to me. I do think they'll get to 8.
I think BG wins at least two more, so put them at 7+.
Akron should get to 7 with the back of that schedule, but I could see them getting stuck on 6.
Central should get to at least 7 with that remaining schedule.

I think we have a much easier path to 7 wins in comparison to Ohio. Win on Saturday and that becomes obvious going forward...
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