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(09-08-2013 07:17 AM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  

(09-07-2013 10:22 PM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  Like I said two weeks ago, shut up and coach the team not the fans and the interwebs and the community. He will not get fired KB and Dunn have went all in on this one. They will have to go down with the ship if the time comes a few years down the road. They gave him just enough rope to hang himself with, he is not dead but he is climbing up the chair.

(09-07-2013 10:59 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-07-2013 10:46 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  

(09-07-2013 10:43 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  We went the way we went and now we have to back this kid up and let him take his lumps.

I think he will be a fast learner. I'd thought it would be a 3-4 win season, now that has to down grade to a 2-3 win year. It will be humbling for him I'm sure but he may emerge from the fire to be outstanding long term

Youngest coach in D-1 comes with a cost, he will learn on our turf. I'm pulling for the guy now. He's family and we support our own.

Excellent post. Pretty much says it all.

Being hired to coach at the DI level is not an entry level learn on the job opportunity. Decision making and play calling was horrid.

Shouldn't be an on the job learning experience? Correct. But that's not on PJ, that's on the AD and President that hired him.

Agree on the AD/president front, but disagree with the "not on PJ" remark. PJ made the decision to pursue and accept the HC job at an FBS program with the obvious knowledge that he had no coaching experience beyond being a position coach. It's like a business grad applying for a CEO position right out of school knowing full well they don't have the knowledge, skills, or experience for the job. Rather, most rational people in pursuit of such a goal will set a course that will allow them to gain the experience and knowledge required to be successful (in PJ's case, coordinator, HC at a lower level, etc.) To do otherwise seems ignorant and/or egomaniacal.

(09-08-2013 09:11 AM)BroncoJim Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 07:17 AM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  

(09-07-2013 10:22 PM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  Like I said two weeks ago, shut up and coach the team not the fans and the interwebs and the community. He will not get fired KB and Dunn have went all in on this one. They will have to go down with the ship if the time comes a few years down the road. They gave him just enough rope to hang himself with, he is not dead but he is climbing up the chair.

(09-07-2013 10:59 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-07-2013 10:46 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  

(09-07-2013 10:43 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  We went the way we went and now we have to back this kid up and let him take his lumps.

I think he will be a fast learner. I'd thought it would be a 3-4 win season, now that has to down grade to a 2-3 win year. It will be humbling for him I'm sure but he may emerge from the fire to be outstanding long term

Youngest coach in D-1 comes with a cost, he will learn on our turf. I'm pulling for the guy now. He's family and we support our own.

Excellent post. Pretty much says it all.

Being hired to coach at the DI level is not an entry level learn on the job opportunity. Decision making and play calling was horrid.

Shouldn't be an on the job learning experience? Correct. But that's not on PJ, that's on the AD and President that hired him.

Agree on the AD/president front, but disagree with the "not on PJ" remark. PJ made the decision to pursue and accept the HC job at an FBS program with the obvious knowledge that he had no coaching experience beyond being a position coach. It's like a business grad applying for a CEO position right out of school knowing full well they don't have the knowledge, skills, or experience for the job. Rather, most rational people in pursuit of such a goal will set a course that will allow them to gain the experience and knowledge required to be successful (in PJ's case, coordinator, HC at a lower level, etc.) To do otherwise seems ignorant and/or egomaniacal.

Are you serious? What kid in the world would turn down a CEO job if they were offered one?

(09-08-2013 09:59 AM)Huskies2006 Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 09:11 AM)BroncoJim Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 07:17 AM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  

(09-07-2013 10:22 PM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  Like I said two weeks ago, shut up and coach the team not the fans and the interwebs and the community. He will not get fired KB and Dunn have went all in on this one. They will have to go down with the ship if the time comes a few years down the road. They gave him just enough rope to hang himself with, he is not dead but he is climbing up the chair.

(09-07-2013 10:59 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-07-2013 10:46 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  Excellent post. Pretty much says it all.

Being hired to coach at the DI level is not an entry level learn on the job opportunity. Decision making and play calling was horrid.

Shouldn't be an on the job learning experience? Correct. But that's not on PJ, that's on the AD and President that hired him.

Agree on the AD/president front, but disagree with the "not on PJ" remark. PJ made the decision to pursue and accept the HC job at an FBS program with the obvious knowledge that he had no coaching experience beyond being a position coach. It's like a business grad applying for a CEO position right out of school knowing full well they don't have the knowledge, skills, or experience for the job. Rather, most rational people in pursuit of such a goal will set a course that will allow them to gain the experience and knowledge required to be successful (in PJ's case, coordinator, HC at a lower level, etc.) To do otherwise seems ignorant and/or egomaniacal.

Are you serious? What kid in the world would turn down a CEO job if they were offered one?

Any kid with the maturity and self-awareness to understand the damage they would inflict on the organization they are about to lead due to their lack of experience and knowledge to perform the job. CEO isn't just a title and a paycheck - you have responsibility for the livelihoods of potentially hundreds or thousands of people. The strategic and operational decisions you make today can affect the future viability of the organization and possibly millions of dollars in shareholder value. Anybody who takes on this responsibility knowing they don't have the skills, experience, and knowledge to do so successfully is only looking out for themselves.

It's more on the Board that hires the kid as CEO than the kid himself.

I almost feel bad for the kid and would have if be hadn't talked such a big game all year.

My initial problem with this hire is that they hired someone so green, pretty much experimenting and appearing to not take serious running the football program.

I really place the responsibility on Dunn and KB. It's quite the letdown and thank god for hockey.

I give up. You can only point out how poorly the game was coached so many times. Too many fans see a big play and think a player got beat but they have no idea that is a coaching error especially after the 7th time. Blame TVT, blame lack of talent, blame everyone other than PJ. I guess we get to watch someone who says he has all the answers find out he doesn't so he puts it on the players. So much for personal responsibility.

(09-08-2013 10:30 AM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  I give up. You can only point out how poorly the game was coached so many times. Too many fans see a big play and think a player got beat but they have no idea that is a coaching error especially after the 7th time. Blame TVT, blame lack of talent, blame everyone other than PJ. I guess we get to watch someone who says he has all the answers find out he doesn't so he puts it on the players. So much for personal responsibility.

Is it hockey season yet?

I can't....wait.

Truth be known, this is why I was so frustrated with the hire. Firing Fleck after one year? I'm sure it's almost impossible. We're in this for the long haul. I don't know if I can take it with bb and fb just mailing it in at the same time.

(09-08-2013 08:04 AM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  Well the AD and Pres did hire him.

He IS green as grass never even an OC.

It IS a turning point and an opportunity to dig deep and learn.

I agree though, the normal route for a coach is to put a loss like this on their own back and take the heat for the team.

Maybe next week is a chance for him to do that. NW is going to kill us. But that is on the AD too. Talk about having an open week like that and choosing to go with another buzz kill payday like NW for week three?

Your post is incorrect, PJ was an OC for one day at NIU before he quit. Long term I still think that he will win at WMU.

(09-08-2013 10:41 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Is it hockey season yet?

Oh yeah, all of those NCAA championship banners hanging from the rafters make me dizzy with anticipation. As do the two CCHA championship banners in 40 years.

Yeah, but there's real hope and we've been competitive in the last few years. I'll go with that for now, but you're right, our Athletic Department's achievements are fairly bleak over the past.....CENTURY.

(09-08-2013 11:56 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Yeah, but there's real hope and we've been competitive in the last few years. I'll go with that for now, but you're right, our Athletic Department's achievements are fairly bleak over the past.....CENTURY.

I know it pissed us off when years ago Bo said we had the worst athletic department in the country. But results are results. Something's gone wrong for decades. The most joy most of us have gotten in sports has been from B-ball, and women's volleyball and hockey. V-ball had a sweet 16 run a few years ago, the b- ball team the beat Clemson was fun, as was the Ben Reed led teams, and years ago, eldon millers team, and recent hockey success as well. I enjoyed some of Gary Darnell's teams for a bit as well as Al Moldes champs.

But when you can count the joy on one hand, it's not great.

(09-08-2013 12:03 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 11:56 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Yeah, but there's real hope and we've been competitive in the last few years. I'll go with that for now, but you're right, our Athletic Department's achievements are fairly bleak over the past.....CENTURY.

I know it pissed us off when years ago Bo said we had the worst athletic department in the country. But results are results. Something's gone wrong for decades. The most joy most of us have gotten in sports has been from B-ball, and women's volleyball and hockey. V-ball had a sweet 16 run a few years ago, the b- ball team the beat Clemson was fun, as was the Ben Reed led teams, and years ago, eldon millers team, and recent hockey success as well. I enjoyed some of Gary Darnell's teams for a bit as well as Al Moldes champs.

But when you can count the joy on one hand, it's not great.

Agree so when do we quit blaming coaches, players, facilities, poor fan base and focus on identifying the real problem?

(09-08-2013 12:08 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 12:03 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 11:56 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Yeah, but there's real hope and we've been competitive in the last few years. I'll go with that for now, but you're right, our Athletic Department's achievements are fairly bleak over the past.....CENTURY.

I know it pissed us off when years ago Bo said we had the worst athletic department in the country. But results are results. Something's gone wrong for decades. The most joy most of us have gotten in sports has been from B-ball, and women's volleyball and hockey. V-ball had a sweet 16 run a few years ago, the b- ball team the beat Clemson was fun, as was the Ben Reed led teams, and years ago, eldon millers team, and recent hockey success as well. I enjoyed some of Gary Darnell's teams for a bit as well as Al Moldes champs.

But when you can count the joy on one hand, it's not great.

Agree so when do we quit blaming coaches, players, facilities, poor fan base and focus on identifying the real problem?

I get your point, but it's not like the Ford family with the Lions and there's been continuity. In a university there is tons of turnover in leadership at both the board level and presidential level. So, where do you start?

Not sure, but isn't that what we do?

Oh btw, Lions are killing me too. Thanks for bringing up the Ford family....

build the program bottom up? wtf is he talking about? moron

(09-08-2013 12:18 PM)WMU83 Wrote:  build the program bottom up? wtf is he talking about? moron

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