(09-02-2013 07:47 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 05:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  SU v. PSU opened with 61-62k, albeit at a neutral location with about 75% of that being PSU fans and about 25% being SU fans.

Did you attend the game? I'm not sure the breakdown is accurate. Penn State got the allotment across from the press box, while Syracuse got the allotment on the same side as the press box. Gave the impression on TV that it was a heavily weighted Penn State crowd. Penn State did have the edge, but I think it was closer than you suggest.

I didn't, but I based my 75% number on this:
"•A crowd of 61,602 attended the game at MetLife Stadium. That was a big increase over the 39,000-plus from last season. Penn State fans clearly outnumbered Syracuse fans in the building. I'd put the final ratio at 70-30."
http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf...cart_river

and an ESPN story that had it "between 80-20 and 70-30."

You seem to have personal knowledge, whereas I only watched on TV, so I won't argue with you, but that's where I got my number. It's also worth noting that there are a lot of white SU shirts and since PSU's colors are blue and white, a SU fan wearing blue jeans and a white SU shirt would look like a PSU fan on TV. That may have skewed some numbers, too.

(09-02-2013 08:53 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Well we are suppose to see a next phase in expansion take place within the next few years. This will be done on the lower portion of the north end on each side. Currently the stadium sits in front of the HSB complex and the stadium in its next phase is suppose to almost connect the stadium with the complex. This should add somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-5 thousand seats which doesn't sound like a lot

Agree with what you said BigOwensboroCard.

The original expansion plan formed back on 2005 was suppose to be done in two phases. Phase one contained the bulk of the expansion and involved adding 45 luxury boxes, constructing a 16,100 upper deck, and adding the south endzone terrace. Phase two was much smaller and was designed to add 2,400 lower bowl seats to each of the northern corners of the stadium. That would have put us at over 63,000

Thanks in large part to the Kentucky General Assembly dragging its feet, the overall cost of the project increase by $10 million and had to be scaled back. Phase one kept the terrace and luxury boxes, but the upper deck was cut back to just over 12,000 seats. Phase two ended up being dropped entirely. That reduced the overall expansion from the original 63K+ to 55,000.

If UofL does expand PJCS in the next 3-5 years, I would expect them to just implement the dropped phase two expansion plan (or some modified version of it). Of course, that begs the question of whether a 5K expansion would really be worth the money. For example, requiring a donation for all lower bowl seating would probably generate just as much revenue as the new seats and wouldn't cost a dime in construction costs.

(09-02-2013 08:53 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  but the big xpansion above the pressbox and suites on the home side of the field will more likely be the last of any xpansion bringing compacting to over 70 thousand.

I don't think you will see the north end of the stadium ever closed in, but never say never for that is what other schools have stated and low and behold they close them in. So if it happens cool, but I personally think if xpansion takes us to 70 thousand plus then that's fine with me.

The biggest problem with expanding over the press box and suites on the west side of the stadium is that upper deck seats don't really generate enough revenue to make the project worth it. In order to really pay for the project, you have to add premium seating alongside the cheaper seats. The west side of the stadium already houses the press box and several suites so you can't really add any more premium seating on that side without cutting into the upper deck expansion. We just added a ton of premium seats on the east side with the last expansion so that side isn't really a candidate either.

So if you want to expand and you have premium seating to do so, where do you put them? Since the east and west sides of the stadium are out, the only other options you have are the north and south endzones. The south endzone has the terrace (which will soon have the academic center beneath it) while the north endzone is currently occupied by the Schnellenberger complex (which will soon be expanded). I'm not sure if the Schnellenberge complex was designed to have something built on top of it or not, but if it was, then there is a lot of very valuable real estate in the north end zone for luxury suites (e.g. picture USM's southern end zone but with the suites sitting over top of the Schnellenburger complex).

(09-02-2013 11:51 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  What is the capacity of your version?

If I had to guesstimate ... 50-60K. But the lion's share of the seats are sideline seats. For the people looking for rock bottom cheap season tickets, the upper endzone will still be there, there just won't be thousands upon thousands of seats up there. There has been some demand for super cheap season tickets up there ("Gold Zone"), but not nearly 8K worth. I sat up there for the GT-FSU "Miracle on North Avenue" game. I damn near needed a mountain goat and a sherpa. I couldn't even hear the band up there that good.

The closest comparison is Sun Devil Stadium ... capacity 73,000








I think when you lop off the endzone , square up the the corners of the other, move everything in closer to the field, you're probably talking high 50's to 60K.

I'm not reading the thread but would like to point out that you can have 100,000 attendance and be in the top 5 of all schools revenues but it's all irrevelant if you don't use that money to hire and retain a winning football coach. UConn claims to have have great revenues but couldn't keep UMD from stealing there successful coach. If you can't retain a successful coach you'll never amount to anything.

That's why I don't care about attendence and revenue ***** measuring. Show me how much you spent on your coaching staff. That's all that really matters.

(09-02-2013 01:20 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-02-2013 07:47 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 05:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  SU v. PSU opened with 61-62k, albeit at a neutral location with about 75% of that being PSU fans and about 25% being SU fans.

Did you attend the game? I'm not sure the breakdown is accurate. Penn State got the allotment across from the press box, while Syracuse got the allotment on the same side as the press box. Gave the impression on TV that it was a heavily weighted Penn State crowd. Penn State did have the edge, but I think it was closer than you suggest.

I didn't, but I based my 75% number on this:
"•A crowd of 61,602 attended the game at MetLife Stadium. That was a big increase over the 39,000-plus from last season. Penn State fans clearly outnumbered Syracuse fans in the building. I'd put the final ratio at 70-30."
http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf...cart_river

and an ESPN story that had it "between 80-20 and 70-30."

You seem to have personal knowledge, whereas I only watched on TV, so I won't argue with you, but that's where I got my number. It's also worth noting that there are a lot of white SU shirts and since PSU's colors are blue and white, a SU fan wearing blue jeans and a white SU shirt would look like a PSU fan on TV. That may have skewed some numbers, too.

I don't have any personal knowledge other than as to the seating allocation, which resulted in the crowd appearing more heavily PSU on TV than it was. Sorry to imply that I knew any more. Happy that the game drew so well and that we collected such a nice payday!

Some schools just don't have big stadiums - Syracuse's Carrier Dome only holds roughly 50,000 fans (49,250 I think is the exact number for football) - it's on campus, it's school owned, it's a dome for their weather. What it lacks in attendance, it makes up with climate control, noise retention, and exclusivity!

(09-02-2013 07:35 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Keep in mind we've never had a home schedule like the one we're going to have in 2014. We've been playing CUSA and Big East teams since the stadium opened in 1998 and we've only rarely gotten a big name to play here. With the way Strong has resurrected our program there's no reason why we won't expand again to over 60k within five years.

Oh pssst almost half of the ACC is former Big East schools (and you'll be one of them AND a former CUSA program). Those leagues served you well in helping make you big time - don't forget where you came from - Just saying!

(09-01-2013 06:31 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Also a 55,332 announced crowd at Louisville. Papa John's seats 55,000.

Announced crowds at home games are from butts in the seats (tickets scanned). The luxury suite holders can request more tickets thus it can go over capacity.

(09-01-2013 10:54 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  UL, what is that, about 75K is you complete your bowl? (Not that I'm suggesting you do it. But maybe in 10 years if you're still pretty good and if Strong or some other coach has continued your current winning ways...)

Using the original bowl of 42,000 as a standard, if the lower bowl were completed it would add about 14,000 seats. Give or take a couple of thousand since I'd imagine it would have a large entrance way not found on the other size, then again suites would likely be added, as well as another party deck. that would put the stadium at about 69,000 give or take. The west side (the side across from the upper deck) can support an expansion as well, which could be anywhere from the 12,000 on the other side to 16,000. Since that would put capacity at 80,000, that would be more than is ever needed most likely. But if for some reason it was, the endzones could have upper decks added, which would allow for capacity up to 100k

I hope if they close up the north end of the stadium, that at some point they rework the east side of Howard's building to look like the front. Nice place to put another bronze statue or 2 also.