The teams that accomplished most of that are gone, yet they are using it to promote how great the conference is.

(08-04-2013 09:44 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 09:19 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 04:36 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 04:28 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  So to sum it up, CUSA offers no real advantages over the SBC in the FBS big picture.

Which is exactly why five schools are leaving the Sun Belt for CUSA...

Most of those numbers were built by teams that are longer in CUSA.
What are the numbers of the remaining schools?

A fair point and I expect in ten years(provided there aren't massive changes in one or both conferences) that CUSA will still hold an advantage in all categories, probably by not quite as wide a margin.

Of course if we're going down that road FAU/FIU/MT/UNT/WKU take with them 10 of 21 bowl berths, nearly all the MBB accomplishments(thanks Western), nearly all the WBB accomplishments and to be honest, I'm not too sure about baseball off the top of my head(on my phone at the moment) but I think a lot of more of the accomplishments are staying put(for both conferences).

Shelbyvillian #1: Sounds like Springfield's got a discipline problem. Shelbyvillian #2: Maybe that's why we beat them at football nearly half the time.

(08-04-2013 09:55 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  The teams that accomplished most of that are gone, yet they are using it to promote how great the conference is.

I'll do the full break down tomorrow if you really want, but as I already pointed out, all of the departing Sun Belt schools accomplishments are included with the Sun Belt and 10 of those 21 bowls for the Sun Belt were departing members. I expect CUSA is losing a larger percentage of their bowl berths, but they're also losing six members, rather than 5, and all 6 departing CUSA members were FBS for the full ten years of the sample, whereas the three of the five departing Sun Belt members transitioned during that period and collectively accounted for 12 seasons that were not bowl eligible seasons.

So the six departing CUSA schools had a possible 60 seasons to reach a bowl in, whereas the 5 departing Sun Belt schools only had a possible 38 seasons to reach a bowl.

Again both conferences are losing a lot of those numbers.

(08-04-2013 09:59 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 09:44 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 09:19 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 04:36 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 04:28 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  So to sum it up, CUSA offers no real advantages over the SBC in the FBS big picture.

Which is exactly why five schools are leaving the Sun Belt for CUSA...

Most of those numbers were built by teams that are longer in CUSA.
What are the numbers of the remaining schools?

A fair point and I expect in ten years(provided there aren't massive changes in one or both conferences) that CUSA will still hold an advantage in all categories, probably by not quite as wide a margin.

Of course if we're going down that road FAU/FIU/MT/UNT/WKU take with them 10 of 21 bowl berths, nearly all the MBB accomplishments(thanks Western), nearly all the WBB accomplishments and to be honest, I'm not too sure about baseball off the top of my head(on my phone at the moment) but I think a lot of more of the accomplishments are staying put(for both conferences).

Shelbyvillian #1: Sounds like Springfield's got a discipline problem. Shelbyvillian #2: Maybe that's why we beat them at football nearly half the time.

Um...what?

Over half of the teams that once made up the league and left the SBC for CUSA, have made less than half of the conference's bowl appearances. Seems pretty self-explanatory.

(08-04-2013 10:46 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  Over half of the teams that once made up the league and left the SBC for CUSA, have made less than half of the conference's bowl appearances. Seems pretty self-explanatory.

Bowl Appearances

4- North Texas
3- Middle Tennessee
2- FAU
2- FIU
1- WKU (2014)
12 Total

5- Troy
3- Arkansas State
2- ULL
1- ULM
11 Total

(08-04-2013 10:46 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  Over half of the teams that once made up the league and left the SBC for CUSA, have made less than half of the conference's bowl appearances. Seems pretty self-explanatory.

That's not exactly the whole story. For starters, the number 10 was based off the timeline of the graphic, as MG61 pointed out, it's actually 12 total.

Furthermore, I think you misunderstood me in the first place, I wasn't trying to talk trash, or say we did had all the accomplishments, I was merely pointing out that, both conferences in the graphic have the accomplishments of departing members counted in their numbers.

And anyhow, it's not as cut and dry as over half the membership when you consider not all members have played the same amount of years.

Departing members have a combined 44 seasons as a full Sun Belt members, of those 12 resulted in bowl berths.

Remaining members 45 full Sun Belt seasons, 11 bowl berths.

So the two groups are very close.

(08-04-2013 11:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 10:46 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  Over half of the teams that once made up the league and left the SBC for CUSA, have made less than half of the conference's bowl appearances. Seems pretty self-explanatory.

That's not exactly the whole story. For starters, the number 10 was based off the timeline of the graphic, as MG61 pointed out, it's actually 12 total.

Furthermore, I think you misunderstood me in the first place, I wasn't trying to talk trash, or say we did had all the accomplishments, I was merely pointing out that, both conferences in the graphic have the accomplishments of departing members counted in their numbers.

Gotcha. I think.

Let's end this C-USA versus SBC debate and get back to the CFN article in which the thread was opened. If it keeps up then I'm moving it to the Smack Board where it belongs.

This was the original post to get us back on topic.


Post: #1CFN,Sunbelt review
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1311245.html

Kinda weird comment at the end.
"The Sun Belt won’t be buying Georgia Southern or Appalachian State – it’ll merely be renting."

(08-05-2013 07:59 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  This was the original post to get us back on topic.


Post: #1CFN,Sunbelt review
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1311245.html

Kinda weird comment at the end.
"The Sun Belt won’t be buying Georgia Southern or Appalachian State – it’ll merely be renting."

Honestly, I think he got Ga Southern and us (App) confused with Idaho and NM State. As in the conference is renting them since they're only in for Football and who knows how long that arrangement will last.

(08-04-2013 09:07 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 08:46 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  The 2 biggest advantages CUSA has over SBC are the tv deals and bowl games.. The rest is perception.

Any other advantages such as budget and basketball are coming from the individual schools, not the conference.


The biggest weakness the SBC has is instability. IF the SBC can reach and hold onto 12 teams it will turn into a very good conference. But i guess that can be said of any conference.

How can you say budgetary advantages come from individual schools? 90% of CUSA budgets are higher than 90% of Sun Belt budgets.

Collegiate athletics have become an arms race and budget is a big part of that, furthermore, schools will challenge each other by continually raising their budgets, so how is it not advantageous to be in a conference with higher budgets?

The basketball comment is even more perplexing, the football debate is an actual debate, basketball is no contest, how is playing in a better basketball league not an advantage? Better RPI from these "individual schools" more chances of an at-large bid, better recruiting....

You say it's "individual schools", but what is a conference but a collection of individual schools? I really don't follow your logic here.

The conference didn't give you $25M for your budget. The schools fund most of it themselves. The conference didn't make WKU a good basketball program. If it wasn't for the current TV deal and better bowl games the cusa couldn't offer any one anything better.
Just not saying that it's the schools that make the conference, not the other way around.

(08-04-2013 09:07 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 08:46 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  The 2 biggest advantages CUSA has over SBC are the tv deals and bowl games.. The rest is perception.

Any other advantages such as budget and basketball are coming from the individual schools, not the conference.


The biggest weakness the SBC has is instability. IF the SBC can reach and hold onto 12 teams it will turn into a very good conference. But i guess that can be said of any conference.

How can you say budgetary advantages come from individual schools? 90% of CUSA budgets are higher than 90% of Sun Belt budgets.

Collegiate athletics have become an arms race and budget is a big part of that, furthermore, schools will challenge each other by continually raising their budgets, so how is it not advantageous to be in a conference with higher budgets?

The basketball comment is even more perplexing, the football debate is an actual debate, basketball is no contest, how is playing in a better basketball league not an advantage? Better RPI from these "individual schools" more chances of an at-large bid, better recruiting....

You say it's "individual schools", but what is a conference but a collection of individual schools? I really don't follow your logic here.

The conference didn't give you $25M for your budget. The schools fund most of it themselves. The conference didn't make WKU a good basketball program. If it wasn't for the current TV deal and better bowl games the cusa couldn't offer any one anything better.
Just saying that it's the schools that make the conference, not the other way around.

(08-05-2013 09:44 AM)97App Wrote:  

(08-05-2013 07:59 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  This was the original post to get us back on topic.


Post: #1CFN,Sunbelt review
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1311245.html

Kinda weird comment at the end.
"The Sun Belt won’t be buying Georgia Southern or Appalachian State – it’ll merely be renting."

Honestly, I think he got Ga Southern and us (App) confused with Idaho and NM State. As in the conference is renting them since they're only in for Football and who knows how long that arrangement will last.

It will last until they find another FBS home or drop to FCS. I'm pretty sure they'll both be around a while.

(08-05-2013 11:14 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-05-2013 09:44 AM)97App Wrote:  

(08-05-2013 07:59 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  This was the original post to get us back on topic.


Post: #1CFN,Sunbelt review
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1311245.html

Kinda weird comment at the end.
"The Sun Belt won’t be buying Georgia Southern or Appalachian State – it’ll merely be renting."

Honestly, I think he got Ga Southern and us (App) confused with Idaho and NM State. As in the conference is renting them since they're only in for Football and who knows how long that arrangement will last.

It will last until they find another FBS home or drop to FCS. I'm pretty sure they'll both be around a while.

I like having nmsu for all sports, but Idaho and nmsu need to figure out a way to get in the mwc. they really have nothing in common with most of the schools in the sun belt. It just makes more sense for them to be playing out there in those other time zones. we need to keep a tighter footprint and maybe get mo state to gear up and join. I think uta will eventually restart their football program and then we will have a good lineup of schools. The problem would come when rice and s. miss leave c-usa and stAte and U-laf move over to take their place. that cloud will always be hanging over the belt.

(08-06-2013 07:12 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(08-05-2013 11:14 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-05-2013 09:44 AM)97App Wrote:  

(08-05-2013 07:59 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  This was the original post to get us back on topic.


Post: #1CFN,Sunbelt review
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1311245.html

Kinda weird comment at the end.
"The Sun Belt won’t be buying Georgia Southern or Appalachian State – it’ll merely be renting."

Honestly, I think he got Ga Southern and us (App) confused with Idaho and NM State. As in the conference is renting them since they're only in for Football and who knows how long that arrangement will last.

It will last until they find another FBS home or drop to FCS. I'm pretty sure they'll both be around a while.

I like having nmsu for all sports, but Idaho and nmsu need to figure out a way to get in the mwc. they really have nothing in common with most of the schools in the sun belt. It just makes more sense for them to be playing out there in those other time zones. we need to keep a tighter footprint and maybe get mo state to gear up and join. I think uta will eventually restart their football program and then we will have a good lineup of schools. The problem would come when rice and s. miss leave c-usa and stAte and U-laf move over to take their place. that cloud will always be hanging over the belt.

Boise has no interest in being conference mates with Idaho again and I don't believe UNM is all too keen on NMSU(neither is UTEP in CUSA for that matter). Last time they were both around for three years(IIRC), I'd expect both to be around a good bit longer.