(07-27-2013 01:43 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Sigh...where to begin.

I think the OP is relying a lot on "common sense" and on observed patterns of behavior. Observed pattern of behavior is that P5 doesn't want to play G5 if they can avoid it.

Quote:1) Greg Auman of the Tampa Bay Times reported that the BoB bowl should be AAC vs ACC/CUSA 3x each. If you believe otherwise...state your source for "seeing" differently.

I think the source is common sense. This was announced pretty early in the process. Why would Swofford agree to that deal, a part-time tie in in a crap stadium against a lower-FBS also-ran? Yes it's in Tampa Bay, but I argue that it's more likely that the story is wrong than that the ACC ran out to sign that deal.

There are two possibilities.
A) Somebody (St Pete Bowl? Aresco?) was blowing smoke up Greg Auman's rear end.
B) The ACC signed a part-time tie-in to a lousy bowl, committing themselves before they knew exactly what the alternatives were.

Hmm. We know Swofford has a son that works at Raycom--maybe he has a younger son who works at Beef O'Bradys?

Quote:2) Which "rumor" of the BBVA going SEC/ACC are you referring to? Please state the source of this "rumor". I have yet to see one published source for this. But I have seen SEVERAL sources stating this was expected to be AAC vs. SEC. Please source this "rumor" (or is this "rumor" in your head).

I would also like a source for this rumor. I'm predicting that it happens, but I don't have a source. Just my common sense and what bowls are still on the board. For the SEC, Birmingham vs ACC > Birmingham vs AAC, and for ACC, Birmingham vs SEC > Independence vs lower-FBS.

Quote:3) State source that ACC would play MWC in Indepedence bowl before playing AAC.

Again, common sense more than media reports. If you're Swofford, do you want 2 or 3 ACC vs AAC bowls? (Military, St Pete, Independence)? If you're stuck with multiple ACC vs lower-FBS bowls, would you rather mix it up, ACC vs AAC in the Military, ACC vs someone else in Shreveport?

Of all the P5 conferences, the ACC (least of the P5) has the most incentive to separate themselves from the AAC.

Quote:4) State source that Pac will not go to Miami.

No source, but again common sense. Miami is hella far from PAC-12 country. On the other hand, Florida is a great recruiting ground. So maybe the PAC sends their last bowl-eligible to Miami, but I'd say the odds are against it.

John, you may "believe" otherwise, based on "common sense", but until we have actual reports or sources that contradict the sources that say the BBVA will be AAC vs SEC or BoB will be AAC vs. ACC/CUSA, then we have to go with the latest hard info we have, not gut feelings based on personal opinions and feelings.

I will agree with you on one thing. Someone could have fed Auman bad info. But I don't think he's the type of reporter that will just go off willy nilly reporting suspect info without good sources to back it up. He gets info.

(07-27-2013 02:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  John, you may "believe" otherwise, based on "common sense", but until we have actual reports or sources that contradict the sources that say the BBVA will be AAC vs SEC or BoB will be AAC vs. ACC/CUSA, then we have to go with the latest hard info we have, not gut feelings based on personal opinions and feelings.

But the media reports we've had on those bowls weren't very "hard info". They were full of words like "probably" and "expects" and things like that. All the reporting on Beef O'Bradys being a CUSA-ACC rotation referred back to Greg Auman.

Quote:I will agree with you on one thing. Someone could have fed Auman bad info. But I don't think he's the type of reporter that will just go off willy nilly reporting suspect info without good sources to back it up. He gets info.

I just found Auman's original tweet, asked him, and got back:

Greg Auman ‏@gregauman 24 Jun
Not final yet, but looks like Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl in St. Pete will have American on one side, with 3 years ACC, 3 C-USA on other side.
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.@johnwcbragg No official announcement yet on St. Pete, but you could see more details in American bowl lineup @ football media day Tuesday.

Guys I am not trying to upset, I did not realize people would get upset by saying "seeing", it was an opinion. I live in the heart of ACC country. Birmingham would be a perfect replacement for the bowl that was in Atlanta for driving purposes for most ACC teams. BOB was a twit that stated not final, it may happen but the tie-in with CUSA only is what I believe. No facts just what I logically think could occur. Again, apologies if I upset anyone, that was not my intent. I would think most fans rather go to St. Pete than Detroit in the winter, but as I state earlier the ACC will only take 1 or 2 bowls with Military and Detroit.

Birmingham Bowl links stating AAC is not a lock.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...ingha.html
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...th_ab.html

(07-27-2013 07:27 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  For those who want P5 match-ups, I am not seeing it happen. Espeically if the Birmingham Bowl rumor of the SEC vs ACC happens. Yes there is the backfill option, but that is like being the the girl you call when you can't get the date with who you want. Never leads to a good thing.<snip>

I have given up on the Bowl situation because depending upon what happens in January with this whole "Super Division," the bowl picture will become irrelevant anyway. If the AAC is left on the outside, then no bowls will help us and we likely head towards some sort of FCS playoff system. If the AAC is in and neutered, the $$$ differential is unsustainable anyway.

I feel a little like Jim Mora... "Playoffs??? You want to talk about playoffs???"

(07-27-2013 12:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Made the corrections pointed out. I thought that about the Heart of Texas Bowl with CUSA. So far it appears CUSA, MW and AAC have one bowl aganist a P5 if available. SB and MAC I don't believe have match up yet. I belive this is what remains. Rumors the SEC & ACC may add 1-2 more bowls. I believe the B10, B12 and PAC 12 are done. Please feel free to add or update. I am curious how many bowls NCAA will approve, I predicet 3 new bowls Two Florida bowls Miami Boca and Little Rock. I believe Orlando would be better for the AAC instead of Miami, but Aresco seems to want Miami.

MWC
1.Las Vegas Bowl (Dec. 21) -- MWC No. 1 vs. Pac-12
2.Poinsettia Bowl (Dec. 26) -- MWC No. 2 vs. Army/at large
3.Hawaii Bowl (Dec. 24) -- MWC No. 3-5 vs. CUSA No. 2-5/AAC?
4.New Mexico Bowl (Dec. 21) -- MWC No. 3-5 vs. C-USA
5.Famous Idaho Potato Bowl (Dec. 21) -- MWC No. 6 vs. MAC No. 3

AAC (Known)
Military vs ACC
St. Pete Bowl vs CUSA (Rumor)
Hawaii AAC/CUSA vs MWC

I believe these are the only bowls are what remain with possible slots.

1. Advocare Independence Bowl - Shrevport, LA (tba vs tba)
2. Birmingham Bowl (AAC?) Rumor is this may replace ACC vs SEC in Independence.
3. New Mexico Bowl - MWC vs ???
4. New Orleans Bowl - SB -???
7. Go Daddy - Mobile
8. Little Ceasers Bowl Detroit?? Will Detroit have two bowls?

Five New Bowls Possible
Aresco Bowl Miami AAC vs ??
Cure Bowl Orlando TBA vs TBA
Boca Bowl SB? vs CUSA?
Rice Bowl Little Rock SB? vs MAC?
Montgomery Bowl TBA vs TBA
Christmas Bowl??

C-USA agreed to play in the New Mexico Bowl for the next 6 or 7 years.