Yes Greenville has produced some bigtime players. Andre Brown went to NCSU and has been with the NYG was one of the top RBs in the country out of HS. There have been other 3 to 4 star type of kids.

(07-31-2013 08:55 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 12:08 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 09:07 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  The bolded part is what makes the system you describe a joke. You can't arbitrarily decide that there will only be a certain number of five star rankings each year. Nature doesn't work that way.

Sure it does. Just like we "arbitrarily" decide that there should be only 25 ranked teams at a time. What if number 26 is as good as number 23 from this time last year? See what I mean? does that mean the AP top 25 is a joke too?

They rate the players individually. Then they rank them 1-say 500 or whatever, and then assign rankings of , usually, 25 players 5 star, the next 225 players 4 star, the next 350 players three star, etc. However each player actually has a number with the ranking, so you can tell who is ranked higher between two five stars, two four stars, etc.

I don't see how that "arbitrary" ranking is any different than any other ranking system.

How does it being similar to any other ranking system give it any more acceptable? Many dislike those as well. Besides, ranking one set of criteria does not mean it has the same value or outcome as it does for a different set. Much of that is subjective and there is nothing wrong with that.

I did t day it wasn't subjective. You are saying its bogus because it essentially has a top 25 list. To me, that statement makes no sense.

No, I'm guessing...

(07-31-2013 10:13 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 10:03 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 09:26 PM)Rowdydowdy Wrote:  Just look at a couple of great high school players from around ECU in the last few years that went elsewhere ie SEC.....RB Gurley for UGA, and Lewis Neal, a true Freshman from Wilson Hunt, who Les Miles singled out as seeing playing time this year at DE.

If ECU could keep these players in the Eastern part of the state, then ECU would definitely step up in the world of NCAA football.

There has aways been some serious talent around that part of the country.

ECU needs to keep some of that basketball talent at home too. Guys like Montrezl Harrell, James Demery, Isaac Copeland and Anton Gill need to start wearing Purple and Gold.

That may be a bit harder for basketball considering there are some pretty heavy hitters just down the road so to speak...

We would be happy to get the kids who head down the road to the ACC or SEC only to sit the bench or get sparse playing time and end up transferring anyway. I understand the logic of kids wanting to get away for their College experience so it can be tough to keep local kids. I think Basketball recruiting will see an uptick with the local kids once ECU is playing BB in the AAC. It will be a very exciting prospect for a local kid to play UCONN, UC, Temple and Memphis and having their family close by to watch those games.

(08-02-2013 09:01 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 08:55 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 12:08 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 09:07 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  The bolded part is what makes the system you describe a joke. You can't arbitrarily decide that there will only be a certain number of five star rankings each year. Nature doesn't work that way.

Sure it does. Just like we "arbitrarily" decide that there should be only 25 ranked teams at a time. What if number 26 is as good as number 23 from this time last year? See what I mean? does that mean the AP top 25 is a joke too?

They rate the players individually. Then they rank them 1-say 500 or whatever, and then assign rankings of , usually, 25 players 5 star, the next 225 players 4 star, the next 350 players three star, etc. However each player actually has a number with the ranking, so you can tell who is ranked higher between two five stars, two four stars, etc.

I don't see how that "arbitrary" ranking is any different than any other ranking system.

How does it being similar to any other ranking system give it any more acceptable? Many dislike those as well. Besides, ranking one set of criteria does not mean it has the same value or outcome as it does for a different set. Much of that is subjective and there is nothing wrong with that.

I did t day it wasn't subjective. You are saying its bogus because it essentially has a top 25 list. To me, that statement makes no sense.

A Top 25 list doesn't limit the nimber of teams that can get a number one vote. Every team can be rated number one if someone thinks they are. Then they are sorted on points received. My problem with the list in question is that they basically limit the number of players that can be a five star BEFORE they sort them. There is zero need to do that and it removes a certain level of legitimacy from it's ranking system.

(08-05-2013 05:42 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  We would be happy to get the kids who head down the road to the ACC or SEC only to sit the bench or get sparse playing time and end up transferring anyway.

SB, the above has been my calling quote (yours is better) for a long time.

Though not quite the same since they are indeed SEC, but at the time, it was considered a recruiting upset for Marcus Lattimore to go to South Carolina. And then monumental that they grabbed Clowney. Now ... it does not seem outside the norm.

Doesn't it seem like Alabama loses a QB every year who was a 4* or 5* out of high school (Phillip Sims, Star Jackson, and more)? They'll have six QBs and you'd think that the position was like Linebacker where three or four are on the field at a time and six or so will play every game.

I guess it might work out for Jabo Lee since he landed at Temple -- but he probably would have fared well in Greenville if not for that late "star struck" push by Tennessee.

Imagine the local legacy that Kentavius Street could have if he signed with the Pirates?

(08-05-2013 06:37 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  A Top 25 list doesn't limit the nimber of teams that can get a number one vote. Every team can be rated number one if someone thinks they are. Then they are sorted on points received. My problem with the list in question is that they basically limit the number of players that can be a five star BEFORE they sort them.

What? Not only does the he top 25 list "limit" the number of teams who can get a number one vote (it is limited by the number of voters), but it DOES place a strict limit the number of teams who can "ranked" That limit is 25 (the others receiving votes are officially unranked teams). A five star list is the same. Five star players are essentially the top 25 of the class. They have both a total ranking and a position ranking, but with the top 25 overall being classified as Five Star players, the next 200 or so four star players, and so on. I don't even get what you are arguing? The AP top 25 doesn't include team number 26 who may be really good, and better than most unranked teams. They are still number 26 and STILL not in the top 25. They don't change the number of top 25 teams every year based on the field. They have 25 teams, who are ranked, at any one time. The very same as the recruiting services use to rank players. They have a set number of players for each ranking (ESPN has 30 five stars and a top 250 list, Rivals uses 25 five stars and a Rivals 150 list, and Scout has 25 five stars and has a top 100 list), just like the AP, coach's, Harris, and BCS polls used a top 25 list. Every week (they do one), and every season. Just like the scouting services.

(08-05-2013 10:12 AM)MemTGRS Wrote:  Doesn't it seem like Alabama loses a QB every year who was a 4* or 5* out of high school (Phillip Sims, Star Jackson, and more)? They'll have six QBs and you'd think that the position was like Linebacker where three or four are on the field at a time and six or so will play every game.

I agree here. Now some places it is okay, because if you went to say USC when Pete Carroll was there, you could still be drafted or invited to camp even if you never started. I've seen it happen in other places as well. Even happened here at Louisville, with a couple of backup quarterbacks later making NFL rosters (for a spell anyway).

But in some cases, I think the QB's that Alabama attracts are a bit overrated compared to their ability in the sense of a traditional offense, in that Alabama's interest draws the attention of other schools and gets them interested, driving up their relative value. But they are more valuable to Alabama (mange the running game and don't turn it over) than they are to anyone else. Because they have had a ton of success without a true marquee QB, I think the other top ranked QB's continue to go there (compared to how an incumbent starter at other marquee programs usually scares off the blue chips) despite the talent on the roster because they think they are better than the guy already there looks on tape. They just don't realize it's the offense not the player.

(08-05-2013 10:42 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  I agree here. Now some places it is okay, because if you went to say USC when Pete Carroll was there, you could still be drafted or invited to camp even if you never started. I've seen it happen in other places as well. Even happened here at Louisville, with a couple of backup quarterbacks later making NFL rosters (for a spell anyway).

But in some cases, I think the QB's that Alabama attracts are a bit overrated compared to their ability in the sense of a traditional offense, in that Alabama's interest draws the attention of other schools and gets them interested, driving up their relative value. But they are more valuable to Alabama (mange the running game and don't turn it over) than they are to anyone else. Because they have had a ton of success without a true marquee QB, I think the other top ranked QB's continue to go there (compared to how an incumbent starter at other marquee programs usually scares off the blue chips) despite the talent on the roster because they think they are better than the guy already there looks on tape. They just don't realize it's the offense not the player.

Great point on USC. Matt Cassel has earned an income of over $30 million and never started in college.

Bama has a QB commitment from one of those great mysteries to me. A recruit from a small city containing a big time program. Always wonder really how good that player is when he does not go to the home school and especially when not offered.

Can't remember his name, but the young man is a Senior in Norman, OK. That he apparently was never seriously linked with OU is puzzling, yet he is rated as top five in the position.

Bama and Oklahoma run entirely different offense though. Oklahoma has used various versions of spread offenses. Alabama is a pro set mostly run based. One requires more accuracy (OU) and the other more arm strength (Bama)

(08-05-2013 11:54 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Bama and Oklahoma run entirely different offense though. Oklahoma has used various versions of spread offenses. Alabama is a pro set mostly run based. One requires more accuracy (OU) and the other more arm strength (Bama)

Thanks, adc. Never been informed of the differences to that detail.

In the meantime, the #1 QB from the class of 2015 has committed to Alabama. Must be a nice problem to have if you're Bama. For the players, well, only ONE of the six/seven of you all recruited at the high level will be under center.

http://alabama.247sports.com/Article/Bam...own-142335

It's a weird situation. Quarterbacks everywhere face that delimna: only one of you is going to play unless someone gets injured, or the person that beat you out turns out to suck. That's why while some people call it a fear of competition, I have no problem with any QB who chooses to find a place with no established quarterback in place over simply going to the best team.

With practice starting, has the ECU faithful heard anything positive on Cayleb Jones?

It would seem like such an automatic with his brother enrolling and being a legacy recruit. He probably needs to get a bit away from Austin, TX as well.

(08-07-2013 08:42 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  With practice starting, has the ECU faithful heard anything positive on Cayleb Jones?

It would seem like such an automatic with his brother enrolling and being a legacy recruit. He probably needs to get a bit away from Austin, TX as well.

Just Twitter stuff so far, but his father sent out a tweet earlier today that made it sound like the kid might be coming to ECU. Hard to say right now.

(08-07-2013 09:45 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-07-2013 08:42 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  With practice starting, has the ECU faithful heard anything positive on Cayleb Jones?

It would seem like such an automatic with his brother enrolling and being a legacy recruit. He probably needs to get a bit away from Austin, TX as well.

Just Twitter stuff so far, but his father sent out a tweet earlier today that made it sound like the kid might be coming to ECU. Hard to say right now.

It is Arizona. Bummer. Maybe the QB transferring from Texas to Arizona influenced the decision?

Seemed like such a great fit with the Pirates as his brother is entering and his Dad was all-world there. I think Greenville would have been the perfect place for the reset button.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...to-arizona

Would have been great, but we'll just have to settle for his little brother, who has been turning heads in practice.

(08-13-2013 05:43 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  

(08-07-2013 09:45 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-07-2013 08:42 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  With practice starting, has the ECU faithful heard anything positive on Cayleb Jones?

It would seem like such an automatic with his brother enrolling and being a legacy recruit. He probably needs to get a bit away from Austin, TX as well.

Just Twitter stuff so far, but his father sent out a tweet earlier today that made it sound like the kid might be coming to ECU. Hard to say right now.

It is Arizona. Bummer. Maybe the QB transferring from Texas to Arizona influenced the decision?

Seemed like such a great fit with the Pirates as his brother is entering and his Dad was all-world there. I think Greenville would have been the perfect place for the reset button.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...to-arizona

Yeah there's a back story as to why this didn't happen and quite frankly I'm not happy about it. Let's put it this way Cayleb and his dad wanted him here and he should be here.