I just assume FS1 would be a compilation of programming from the Fox Regionals and Speed for a while. I wonder if in the long run, FS1 will do to ESPN what FNC did to CNN?

The best live sporting events including NASCAR, college football (Pac-12, Big 12, Conference USA), college basketball (Pac-12, Big 12, Big East, Conference USA), UFC and UEFA Champions League. Live MLB games will debut in 2014, and FIFA World Cup Coverage begins in 2015.

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsports1

(07-18-2013 03:21 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 03:12 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:56 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  FS1 has mostly crap for game choices.

They've got zip from the SEC, nada from the ACC, second pick of the Big XII, nothing from the Big 10 except the title game, Pac-12 title game and seconds on regular season games.

Of the five power leagues, in regular season they have zero content from 43 of the 65 teams. Zip from the American, MAC, Sun Belt and apparently MWC. They've got CUSA in a $7 million per year contract that was signed when Houston, SMU, UCF, Memphis, ECU, Tulsa, and Tulane were still the league.

NFL? nothing

NHL? nothing

NBA? nothing

MLB? some games starting in 2014 but regular season baseball is proven laggard in drawing viewers.

They will be big in soccer and do have the UEFA Champions League which is the best of the best of club football and will have the next World Cups, but viewers prefer the national leagues and NBC has the big draw (English) and splits Major League Soccer and the US men's national team with ESPN, while beIN has Spain's La Liga, Italy's Serie A, France's Ligue 1.

UFC and racing will be a lot of their content.

So if you don't have the events people want, be uh entertaining!

This conflicts with the information in the article:

Fox Broadcast. I've seen nothing that says the NFL will allow any of their games to move to Fox Sports 1. Surely you don't think Fox Sports 1 is going to have over 100 NFL games and a Super Bowl.

My takeaway from the article is that Fox has spent the last 3 or so years building up their arsenal in programming to air. So no, I don't believe FS1 will be airing over 100 NFL games and a Super Bowl - but it seems like FS1 will have the ability to air, and might air, NFL games on FS1 - which is contrary to your point that FS1 doesn't have anything to offer. Also, the article mentioned that they are working to get the Thursday night NFL games off of the NFL Network and onto FS1.

Only way Fox is going to get to move NFL games to FS1 is with league approval, and since CBS cannot move regular season games to the cable networks that Viacom owns, my guess is that Fox will not be allowed to either. NFL is not going to give up games on the NFL Network.

From a fan perspective, Fox offers very little to me anyway, and FS1 offers substantially less

NFL: I cheer for a team in the AFC. We get two games per year on Fox, so outside of the Super Bowl, and the playoffs, I watch very little of the NFL on a Fox network

NBA: Fox only contracts with NBA teams locally, and does not broadcast nationally. Currently my favorite team does not contract with Fox. Neither do any of the major market teams really. If I want to watch NBA, maybe 2-3 games per year will I watch on a Fox Network.

NHL: For the fastest growing sport in terms of attendance...Fox doesn't contract with the NHL outside of a few local teams. There are no local NHL teams contracted on Fox in my area

MLB: Fox has a lot more power, but once again you are limited to a select national game in your viewing area, outside of postseason or All Star. All of my local MLB teams contract with Fox, but I don't cheer for any of them. I have to use MLBTV to watch my favorite team play, and get to watch maybe 10 regular season games a year on Fox (Fox is basically all Cardinals here...yuck). Primarily I only get to see the postseason.

Soccer: While Fox will have World Cup rights in 2018 and Euro and Qualifying rights around that time, that still only occupies a few games a year, and one month long tournaments that play every 4 years. Viewers will watch far more league action. If I want to watch my Premier League side play, I don't get to watch Fox. We didn't qualify for Champions League this year, so unless FS1 picks up Europa League action, I am limited to NBC and its partners.

College Football: I watch SEC, Big 10, and Pac 12 nationally, and All of the SBC locally. I watch maybe 1 CUSA game in a year...so Fox offers me nothing here.

My guess is that I will be doing a good job if I can even remember what channel the local FS1 network is.

Wait till the Big Ten first tier rights comes up. FOX will jump hard at it. Especially with them owning 51% of the Big Ten network and having the football championship game.

(07-18-2013 04:31 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Wait till the Big Ten first tier rights comes up. FOX will jump hard at it. Especially with them owning 51% of the Big Ten network and having the football championship game.

That is when we see whether the networks are REALLY observers of realignment or actively shaping.

With the ACC GOR you owe nothing under the grant of rights if the TV network doesn't reduce the rights fee.

If the Big Ten truly wants to add one or two more ACC teams, ESPN is going to have to play along and ESPN has no incentive to play along unless they are going to have some piece of the action. Also ESPN owns first and third tier rights of Kansas and Texas, and is the only TV partner of the SEC (home of Mizzou).

I would say Fox should bring back Dennis Miller.

But apparently I am the only person in America that liked his commentating.

Heaven forbid you stick some high brow humor in there with the buzz word junkies.

(07-18-2013 04:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 04:31 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Wait till the Big Ten first tier rights comes up. FOX will jump hard at it. Especially with them owning 51% of the Big Ten network and having the football championship game.

That is when we see whether the networks are REALLY observers of realignment or actively shaping.

With the ACC GOR you owe nothing under the grant of rights if the TV network doesn't reduce the rights fee.

If the Big Ten truly wants to add one or two more ACC teams, ESPN is going to have to play along and ESPN has no incentive to play along unless they are going to have some piece of the action. Also ESPN owns first and third tier rights of Kansas and Texas, and is the only TV partner of the SEC (home of Mizzou).

Of course Oklahoma has their third tier rights with FOX. But I agree with the network part. It will be interesting to see if Big Ten goes with FOX, ESPN would have some holes to fill mainly on ABC. A lot more ACC football will be shown.

(07-18-2013 01:24 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I would not watch Regis Philbin regardless of channel. FOX better hire a few more Erin Andrews if it wants to compete lol

It's kind of amazing that Regis is even still alive. He can't possibly be a day under 80.

FS1 will not be lacking for eye-candy. Of that you may be sure.

(07-18-2013 02:57 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Fox will get content. Just give it time.

Agreed. It will take a few (5-6-7) years, but they are not going away. They have the resources to do this right if they want to. There's no sign that they don't want to.

Every other word out of Regis's mouth is either Notre Dame or Fighting Irish.

(07-18-2013 10:09 PM)Dedsquirrl Wrote:  I would say Fox should bring back Dennis Miller.

But apparently I am the only person in America that liked his commentating.

Heaven forbid you stick some high brow humor in there with the buzz word junkies.

Would be in favor of Miller coming back. Reminds me of Howard Cosell a little.

(07-18-2013 10:55 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Would be in favor of Miller coming back. Reminds me of Howard Cosell a little.

Heh, I see what you mean. Unlike most sports announcers, Cosell (RIP) and Miller both come across as men who have interests outside of sports. But the key difference is that Cosell acted* as if he himself was part of the attraction to the TV audience (and in truth, he really was, for a while). Miller, OTOH, always knew that people were turning in to watch the game, not to listen to him talk about it.

*Cosell's act really was an act, and he spoofed his own image on a regular basis. His books from the '70s and '80s ("Like It Is" and "I Never Played the Game") still hold up well today.

Rather have that then ESPN, whose sole job is to fellate the SEC 24/7

I just hope ESPN can find time for more programming featuring a loud black man arguing with a crotchety white man, I don't think a half dozen different programs with that dynamic is quite enough...

If they really want to differentiate themselves from ESPN, when showing G5 games, how about getting the announcers to actually talk about the game currently being played vs the upcoming SEC game.

(07-19-2013 11:24 AM)97App Wrote:  If they really want to differentiate themselves from ESPN, when showing G5 games, how about getting the announcers to actually talk about the game currently being played vs the upcoming SEC game.

I'd like to see them make an investment in the development of the product that will be the new SBC.

It stands to reason that the more a conference's games are on the air, the more known the product/teams will become. The better those teams are known, the better the recruiting power.

Additionally, if they also commit $ to the tune of about 24Million/year - the $ boost to our programs will further allow us to develop venues that will play well on TV and help improve our product. For a conference with a very similar footprint to the most powerful of FBS conferences - our potential development would seem like a good venture for a new network. I'm not delusional to the point to think the SBC will reach par with the SEC - but I think it has the potential to become the best GO5.

For two new Sports networks in FoxSports1 and FoxSports2 - this might be a seed to plant and invest in for the future. $ wise it isn't a big price tag. Additionally, it may only be my perception - but it seems that the other networks are usually not very concerned with carrying SEC versus SBC games - This might be a good avenue to pick up some of those OOC games against GO5 for FoxSPRTS1&2?

Bottom line for FS1 is that Fox needs to win the bidding war against ESPN/ABC for the top Big 10 rights starting 2017.

Or they are going to have to outbid ESPN for MNF.

Otherwise they aren't likely to have much content that is going to make it a must have channel.

(07-19-2013 01:32 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  I'd like to see them make an investment in the development of the product that will be the new SBC.

It stands to reason that the more a conference's games are on the air, the more known the product/teams will become. The better those teams are known, the better the recruiting power.

Additionally, if they also commit $ to the tune of about 24Million/year - the $ boost to our programs will further allow us to develop venues that will play well on TV and help improve our product. For a conference with a very similar footprint to the most powerful of FBS conferences - our potential development would seem like a good venture for a new network. I'm not delusional to the point to think the SBC will reach par with the SEC - but I think it has the potential to become the best GO5.

For two new Sports networks in FoxSports1 and FoxSports2 - this might be a seed to plant and invest in for the future. $ wise it isn't a big price tag. Additionally, it may only be my perception - but it seems that the other networks are usually not very concerned with carrying SEC versus SBC games - This might be a good avenue to pick up some of those OOC games against GO5 for FoxSPRTS1&2?

+1 Very Logical

(07-18-2013 02:57 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:35 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:30 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Regis's show is going up against Around the Horn and PTI. Fox will eventually put a dent into ESPN's machine.

How exactly? Which viewers are going to tune in to watch Texas San Antonio vs Old Dominion over Alabama vs Mississippi State?

Fox will get content. Just give it time.

This! Most conferences have deals now and FS1 is new. We should be all rooting for FS1 to succeed. Having multiple choices and having multiple outlets offer you contract is better than taking whatever ESPN dictates. Having the UFC is not a small deal either. It is huge in the younger demographics. My cousin is in his 20's and he nor none of his friends ever miss a UFC event or show. Older folks just do not get how big it is with younger folks.

(07-22-2013 11:47 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:57 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:35 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:30 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Regis's show is going up against Around the Horn and PTI. Fox will eventually put a dent into ESPN's machine.

How exactly? Which viewers are going to tune in to watch Texas San Antonio vs Old Dominion over Alabama vs Mississippi State?

Fox will get content. Just give it time.

This! Most conferences have deals now and FS1 is new. We should be all routing for FS1 to succeed. Having multiple choices and having multiple outlets offer you contract is better than taking whatever ESPN dictates. Having the UFC is not a small deal either. It is huge in the younger demographics. My cousin is in his 20's and he nor none of his friends ever miss a UFC event or show. Older folks just do not get how big it is with younger folks.

Agreed - and since College Football content is limited - the more conferences that ESPN loses - i.e. the P12, B12, and possible the B10 - the greater chance a Sun Belt game will be broadcast at a better time on a better day - whether that's on ESPN, FS1, NBC, or CBS, etc.