(06-27-2013 07:05 AM)72Grad Wrote:  ]

I don't know if you misspoke but how did Paul Hamilton screwup? He was given 50 scholarships to compete in the best D1AA conference. He finished midpack and beat the number one ranked team. Now I'll buy into Stanton and Mullins and the rest of the non-revenue sport coaches as screw ups but not Hamilton. He just tried to make the best out of a lousy situation.

Kyle Hamliton at QB, cost him his job at Elon to.

(06-27-2013 01:42 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 07:05 AM)72Grad Wrote:  ]

I don't know if you misspoke but how did Paul Hamilton screwup? He was given 50 scholarships to compete in the best D1AA conference. He finished midpack and beat the number one ranked team. Now I'll buy into Stanton and Mullins and the rest of the non-revenue sport coaches as screw ups but not Hamilton. He just tried to make the best out of a lousy situation.

Kyle Hamliton at QB, cost him his job at Elon to.

Not to mention P-Ham very well could've saved the program had he gone out and raised money. He never made public appearances, he was a recluse.
That said, his teams fought hard given the hand they were dealt, but he didn't do himself or ETSU football any favors by sitting idly by and accepting what happened before.
At any rate, that's all in the past, time to get a stadium, sew some grass, order some field turf for the dome, get pads, helmets, coaches, players, and be excited.
I'm with Fan1, not really something I can do as far as being at Beef's tonight. Beg, plead, kick, scream whatever you have to do, NO TRACK AROUND THE STADIUM. Build a separate facility for outdoor track. If we truly have visions of FBS ball in the near future then that's what is attractive. Even App is getting rid of theirs.

(06-27-2013 12:21 PM)etsuBucsFan1988 Wrote:  Real grass.

It will be field-turf.

(06-27-2013 11:33 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 09:20 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  What is your football stadium wish list? Do you have a couple of things you would like to see incorporated? How much seating do you think the stadium should have? Should it have a hill? What are you opinions?

Almost deserving of a separate thread.

Must-Haves
1. No Track around it. Shouldn't even be up for discussion.
2. Room for expansion. I like what UNC-Charlotte has done much more than Old Dominion. While ODU's stadium is very unique, expansion to that stadium won't look very natural without tearing out and rebuilding. Charlotte's design honestly sets them up that they could one day expand to 80K if they wanted to.
3. Room to sit and enjoy the game. Don't be the south endzone upperdeck at Neyland Stadium. You don't need to be. Make the seats as such where there's plenty of leg room and butt room. If chairbacks from the dome can be repurposed and stand the weather, then by all means use them.
4. Restrooms. If you build a women's restroom, build a men's restroom. Don't build twice as many women's rooms just because the girls can't muster in a timely manner by themselves. Also have family restrooms. I know of atleast a couple of nearly three year olds that will be attending their first ETSU football game in 2015. (With what I'm looking at right now, that's such a scary thought)
5. Parking. Of course the primo parking will go to folks that give alot more than I can currently give at the moment and that should be the expectation, but that doesn't mean that you crap the bed for the everyday fan who maybe only gives 250 dollars a year, but always buys concession food, shirts, gameday programs, etc... They need a spot to tailgate too, much like Cellblock 303 with the Nashville Predators, these are the fans that will be there no matter what.
6. Ticket gates. Let's face it, getting in and out of the dome sucks, it's a hike up the ramp, there's usually some 18 year old reading their book that doesn't want to be there not paying attention. Ample, easily accessible gates. Don't make me wait in line to get into the game, you know where you had to wait in line and deal with rude people? The Nashville Superspeedway. The racetrack is now closed except for testing.
7. Good concession food. One would think this is a common sense thing, people like to eat something more than hours old hotdogs, really stale popcorn and warm, flat, watered down soda.

As for a hillside, either make it a family section where you sell tickets at a reduced cost, or make it for students only, but do build one in along with a fieldhouse, pressroom/letterwinner's club on the opposite endzone.
Capacity - 10,000 fixed seating not including box/loge seating areas with a horseshoe seating layout capable of holding 25,000.

This pretty well says it for me too. I want the grand stands up close and in the game where the experience will be something people talk about the next day. Of course this means NO track! It should be that our fans really enjoy the experience, our players love playing in it and the visiting teams really hate playing in it. Also I would like to see it bowled up around the end zones with possible grassy banks as an homage to the old stadium. To think we are really close to a decision on this is what we have been waiting for!

(06-27-2013 04:56 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 11:33 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 09:20 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  What is your football stadium wish list? Do you have a couple of things you would like to see incorporated? How much seating do you think the stadium should have? Should it have a hill? What are you opinions?

Almost deserving of a separate thread.

Must-Haves
1. No Track around it. Shouldn't even be up for discussion.
2. Room for expansion. I like what UNC-Charlotte has done much more than Old Dominion. While ODU's stadium is very unique, expansion to that stadium won't look very natural without tearing out and rebuilding. Charlotte's design honestly sets them up that they could one day expand to 80K if they wanted to.
3. Room to sit and enjoy the game. Don't be the south endzone upperdeck at Neyland Stadium. You don't need to be. Make the seats as such where there's plenty of leg room and butt room. If chairbacks from the dome can be repurposed and stand the weather, then by all means use them.
4. Restrooms. If you build a women's restroom, build a men's restroom. Don't build twice as many women's rooms just because the girls can't muster in a timely manner by themselves. Also have family restrooms. I know of atleast a couple of nearly three year olds that will be attending their first ETSU football game in 2015. (With what I'm looking at right now, that's such a scary thought)
5. Parking. Of course the primo parking will go to folks that give alot more than I can currently give at the moment and that should be the expectation, but that doesn't mean that you crap the bed for the everyday fan who maybe only gives 250 dollars a year, but always buys concession food, shirts, gameday programs, etc... They need a spot to tailgate too, much like Cellblock 303 with the Nashville Predators, these are the fans that will be there no matter what.
6. Ticket gates. Let's face it, getting in and out of the dome sucks, it's a hike up the ramp, there's usually some 18 year old reading their book that doesn't want to be there not paying attention. Ample, easily accessible gates. Don't make me wait in line to get into the game, you know where you had to wait in line and deal with rude people? The Nashville Superspeedway. The racetrack is now closed except for testing.
7. Good concession food. One would think this is a common sense thing, people like to eat something more than hours old hotdogs, really stale popcorn and warm, flat, watered down soda.

As for a hillside, either make it a family section where you sell tickets at a reduced cost, or make it for students only, but do build one in along with a fieldhouse, pressroom/letterwinner's club on the opposite endzone.
Capacity - 10,000 fixed seating not including box/loge seating areas with a horseshoe seating layout capable of holding 25,000.

This pretty well says it for me too. I want the grand stands up close and in the game where the experience will be something people talk about the next day. Of course this means NO track! It should be that our fans really enjoy the experience, our players love playing in it and the visiting teams really hate playing in it. Also I would like to see it bowled up around the end zones with possible grassy banks as an homage to the old stadium. To think we are really close to a decision on this is what we have been waiting for!

Those grass banks in the old place would be full on good game days. The place itself, of course, was dated and not much to write home about. But, there was a certain atmosphere there -- its location right there beside Brooks in the middle of the campus. One time, maybe 1968, there was an expansion plan of the place discussed, even in the neighborhood of 25,000 seats I believe. A drawing was presented in ETSU Today (or Quarterly) that looked really good. I think ETSU explored Southern Conference membership in 1968 as well.

Yea, agree -- no track like at Tennessee Tech. No need to have a track inside a football stadium. Even if a school hosted the conference championship, crowd accommodation does not justify a combination stadium since there would never be much of a crowd at a track meet in the first place.


http://www.ttusports.com/inside_athletic...adium_Page

(06-27-2013 06:22 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Hopefully all of you get out Beef o Bradys tonight to visit with Coach Torbush tonight and ask him these questions yourself. I hope they do a regionwide tour again hitting all the major Tennessee cities as well as surrounding states with alums, inviting the high school coaches to come and eat FREE (Western Kentucky and Middle Tn do this a lot) to get our name out and make sure people know this isn't halfass acres anymore.
Anyone else feel **** his comments are scripted a bit to atone for past screwups from P-Ham and the two out on Golden Pond?

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I have one word to describe the meeting with Coach Torbush tonight. That would be AWESOME! I was really impressed by hearing him in person and am excited about all the happenings about to take place.

So apparently I fat fingered an ethnic slur typo, definitely not intentional and I apologize to anyone who might have been offended.
I'm glad the meet and greet went well.

(06-27-2013 02:19 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 01:42 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 07:05 AM)72Grad Wrote:  ]

I don't know if you misspoke but how did Paul Hamilton screwup? He was given 50 scholarships to compete in the best D1AA conference. He finished midpack and beat the number one ranked team. Now I'll buy into Stanton and Mullins and the rest of the non-revenue sport coaches as screw ups but not Hamilton. He just tried to make the best out of a lousy situation.

Kyle Hamliton at QB, cost him his job at Elon to.

Not to mention P-Ham very well could've saved the program had he gone out and raised money. He never made public appearances, he was a recluse.
That said, his teams fought hard given the hand they were dealt, but he didn't do himself or ETSU football any favors by sitting idly by and accepting what happened before.
At any rate, that's all in the past, time to get a stadium, sew some grass, order some field turf for the dome, get pads, helmets, coaches, players, and be excited.
I'm with Fan1, not really something I can do as far as being at Beef's tonight. Beg, plead, kick, scream whatever you have to do, NO TRACK AROUND THE STADIUM. Build a separate facility for outdoor track. If we truly have visions of FBS ball in the near future then that's what is attractive. Even App is getting rid of theirs.

In the winter of 1999, football went on the chopping block. Everyone knew it was a forgone conclusion that football would be cut at ETSU. How was one man going to fight the establishment when practically everyone in the athletic department was pushing for football to be dropped? Financially Frank Pergollizi(sp)and Paul Hamilton set up a schedule that included Colorado State, Pittsburgh, and NC State to generate dollars. Todd Stansbury was the biggest waste of time to hit the campus and did absolutely nothing to promote the program. How many HCs do you know of that have gone door to door to raise funds? I'd bet none. No, as I have said, he made the best out of a lousy situation. Finally I could give a rat's ass about Elon!

Urban Meyer did at Utah. Pat Hill did at Fresno State. Phillip Fulmer did at Tennessee. Bruce Pearl did at Tennessee.
There were alot of really great qualities about Paul Hamilton, I will 100 percent agree with you there. But he made his mistakes too. On the field his offense was terrible, off the field how much of a relationship did he have with area coaches and businesses/clubs? How many appearances at Kiwanis, Lions, Elks, Moose, Eagles, VFW, or whatever social club did he make to generate interest in the program? Not enough. He was however a caring person when it came to his players, and that was a great thing about him. But he was human, and could've done more.
Back to the stadium stuff, what do you think 72? What do you want to see in a new, outdoor stadium?

(06-28-2013 10:14 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Urban Meyer did at Utah. Pat Hill did at Fresno State. Phillip Fulmer did at Tennessee. Bruce Pearl did at Tennessee.
There were alot of really great qualities about Paul Hamilton, I will 100 percent agree with you there. But he made his mistakes too. On the field his offense was terrible, off the field how much of a relationship did he have with area coaches and businesses/clubs? How many appearances at Kiwanis, Lions, Elks, Moose, Eagles, VFW, or whatever social club did he make to generate interest in the program? Not enough. He was however a caring person when it came to his players, and that was a great thing about him. But he was human, and could've done more.
Back to the stadium stuff, what do you think 72? What do you want to see in a new, outdoor stadium?

In the interest of dollars I would think a stadium along the lines of Western Carolina would be the most practical. But to hell with practicality, I think UTCs is about as good as it gets. If you haven't been there pull up some pictures.

ETSU finally has a president that's willing to pay a head coach nearly a quarter million dollars per year in total compensation. That kind of money has seemed to surprise a lot of fans here. So, would it at all be surprising (now) if President Noland comes up with, say, around $50,000,000 in state funding for the new stadium? That said, I'm not one to want ETSU to merely aim to be on the same level of an HBCU out of the SWAC. However, Alabama State certainly hit a home run with their new $45,000,000 facility down in Montgomery. My suspicions are that President Noland will build something similar to that here because, so far, he seems to be guiding money in the direction that he wants football to follow. I don't see him going cheap on anything from here on out.

Consider this, is it at all possible for a SoCon-based ETSU to be at the very least a peer institution of Alabama State out of the SWAC? . . . Wow!!! Seriously? The SWAC??? That's not very high aspirations, folks!!! Think about it as you read on and imagine one of these standing at the end of dormitory row where the Physical Plant currently is (and remember that it's NOT a high aspiration) . . .






Client Alabama State University
Location Montgomery, Alabama
Cost $45 million
Completed 11/27/2012
Role Convergence Design provided sports architecture, planning, programming and design services
Architect of Record Brown Chambless Architects

Description
Convergence Design provided sports architecture design services for the new football stadium at Alabama State University in Montgomery. The project is the capstone of a major campus capital project that saw the redevelopment of the east end of the urban ASU campus. The stadium terminates a new east-west campus mall identified in a recent campus master plan with a new entry plaza that faces into the existing campus.

The stadium also faces an interstate highway, giving ASU a new public face to traffic passing the campus on the interstate.


The stadium features a capacity of 26,000, with expansion capability up to 50,000 spectators. A variety of seating options on three decks include berm seating, traditional bleachers, club seats, loge seating, suites, and party terraces in the east end zone. A sunscreen canopy provides shading for most of the spectators on the south sideline during day games.

That is an awesome looking venue. At first glance it looks like it would hold more than 26k. Definitely would be a grand slam build for ETSU. Be great if we could fill it up too!

I've seen pictures of that one, it's definitely ideal. The thing with their facility is they expand either through endzone seating, an upper deck on the other side or by digging down.
I have some faith in Torbush and Noland. They do however need more football minds on hand pretty fast, not a whole lot of experience in that place when it comes to football.

(06-29-2013 09:18 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  I've seen pictures of that one, it's definitely ideal. The thing with their facility is they expand either through endzone seating, an upper deck on the other side or by digging down.
I have some faith in Torbush and Noland. They do however need more football minds on hand pretty fast, not a whole lot of experience in that place when it comes to football.

Stadium needs at least 12,000 starting out. I'd say that's a good average. GO BUCS!

(06-29-2013 06:50 PM)Big Blue Football Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 11:21 AM)RRTguy Wrote:  I know there is another thread about the stadium speculation, but this is the first hard news I have seen.

Just a little disappointed in the 10,000 capacity, was hoping for the 12-15 thousand range. There were no drawings attached to the article.

http://www.wjhl.com/story/22805246/etsu-...ion-agenda

Update from WJHL.