(06-08-2013 06:06 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 04:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 04:28 PM)st932253 Wrote:  Why don't they just move to another more conservatives state?

I know that would present individuals with a cost and responsibility to get what they want, but isn't that the whole theme here?

The reasoning for such events in the past was: why should they have to move off of their land if there is another option? In this case it's the fact that more liberal non-Coloradans moved to Denver and upset the balance. It's definitely not the first time that non-natives have moved into a populated area and turned the tide on how the state is run.

You mean like Texas?

Is part of life so if people move to your state and change its character you either adapt or move

Wouldn't secession be a form of adaptation?

(06-08-2013 05:34 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 04:53 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 04:36 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 04:21 PM)BullsFanatic Wrote:  Well, state expansion is on the docket:

Bill in Congress seeks vote on Puerto Rican Statehood

While I'm at it, how about country realignment?

Scottish Independence Referendum in 2014

If Puerto Rico wants in, let them prove it. If they don't, time to discontinue the relationship as it is presently.

Ummmmm well I think they already showed their interest, as the residents voted in favor of statehood during last November's elections!

Remember, residents of a US commonwealth or territory are US citizens, so they are already Americans. They just do not have voting representation in congress and binding electoral votes (though they are included in the primary process, much like residents of the District of Columbia).

The citizens of Puerto Rico took the first step last November with their own ballot passage. Now their delegation in congress, with the support of voting member sponsors from other states are trying to get congress to authorize an official ballot measure. If congress approves the measure okaying the vote - public passage on election day would grant Puerto Rico full statehood and thus make them the 51st state!

Is admitting Puerto Rico the equivalent of adding a Sunbelt team in realignment?

Another mouth to feed but no additional revenue.

we already feed puerto rico

(06-09-2013 12:24 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 05:34 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 04:53 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 04:36 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 04:21 PM)BullsFanatic Wrote:  Well, state expansion is on the docket:

Bill in Congress seeks vote on Puerto Rican Statehood

While I'm at it, how about country realignment?

Scottish Independence Referendum in 2014

If Puerto Rico wants in, let them prove it. If they don't, time to discontinue the relationship as it is presently.

Ummmmm well I think they already showed their interest, as the residents voted in favor of statehood during last November's elections!

Remember, residents of a US commonwealth or territory are US citizens, so they are already Americans. They just do not have voting representation in congress and binding electoral votes (though they are included in the primary process, much like residents of the District of Columbia).

The citizens of Puerto Rico took the first step last November with their own ballot passage. Now their delegation in congress, with the support of voting member sponsors from other states are trying to get congress to authorize an official ballot measure. If congress approves the measure okaying the vote - public passage on election day would grant Puerto Rico full statehood and thus make them the 51st state!

Is admitting Puerto Rico the equivalent of adding a Sunbelt team in realignment?

Another mouth to feed but no additional revenue.

we already feed puerto rico

Texas is also a mouth to feed -- pays $163B in federal taxes and receives $224B in federal outlay. In comparison, Puerto Rico is far less of a drain on the productive states - only costing about $9B per year.

If Quebec secedes from Canada, it has been said that Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, being disconnected from the rest of Canada, might opt to join the US. Like Texas, they are net sum drains on the budget. But they have an immutable characteristic in their favor over, say, Puerto Rico, right Tex?

(06-09-2013 01:17 PM)Enriquillo Wrote:  

(06-09-2013 12:24 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 05:34 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 04:53 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 04:36 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  If Puerto Rico wants in, let them prove it. If they don't, time to discontinue the relationship as it is presently.

Ummmmm well I think they already showed their interest, as the residents voted in favor of statehood during last November's elections!

Remember, residents of a US commonwealth or territory are US citizens, so they are already Americans. They just do not have voting representation in congress and binding electoral votes (though they are included in the primary process, much like residents of the District of Columbia).

The citizens of Puerto Rico took the first step last November with their own ballot passage. Now their delegation in congress, with the support of voting member sponsors from other states are trying to get congress to authorize an official ballot measure. If congress approves the measure okaying the vote - public passage on election day would grant Puerto Rico full statehood and thus make them the 51st state!

Is admitting Puerto Rico the equivalent of adding a Sunbelt team in realignment?

Another mouth to feed but no additional revenue.

we already feed puerto rico

Texas is also a mouth to feed -- pays $163B in federal taxes and receives $224B in federal outlay.

If Quebec secedes from Canada, it has been said that Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, being disconnected from the rest of Canada, might opt to join the US. Like Texas, they are net sum drains on the budget. But they have an immutable characteristic in their favor over, say, Puerto Rico, right Tex?

Miltary members and retirees will do that to ya.

Newfoundland was pretty close to voting to join the US after WWII I believe.

(06-09-2013 01:17 PM)Enriquillo Wrote:  

(06-09-2013 12:24 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 05:34 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 04:53 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 04:36 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  If Puerto Rico wants in, let them prove it. If they don't, time to discontinue the relationship as it is presently.

Ummmmm well I think they already showed their interest, as the residents voted in favor of statehood during last November's elections!

Remember, residents of a US commonwealth or territory are US citizens, so they are already Americans. They just do not have voting representation in congress and binding electoral votes (though they are included in the primary process, much like residents of the District of Columbia).

The citizens of Puerto Rico took the first step last November with their own ballot passage. Now their delegation in congress, with the support of voting member sponsors from other states are trying to get congress to authorize an official ballot measure. If congress approves the measure okaying the vote - public passage on election day would grant Puerto Rico full statehood and thus make them the 51st state!

Is admitting Puerto Rico the equivalent of adding a Sunbelt team in realignment?

Another mouth to feed but no additional revenue.

we already feed puerto rico

Texas is also a mouth to feed -- pays $163B in federal taxes and receives $224B in federal outlay. In comparison, Puerto Rico is far less of a drain on the productive states - only costing about $9B per year.

If Quebec secedes from Canada, it has been said that Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, being disconnected from the rest of Canada, might opt to join the US. Like Texas, they are net sum drains on the budget. But they have an immutable characteristic in their favor over, say, Puerto Rico, right Tex?

Congress already voted to admit a Canadian province as a state

(06-08-2013 02:34 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Cape Cod, Nantucket, and Martha's Vineyard had a light-hearted campaign to secede from Massachusetts back in the 1970's.

In the 19th century, the proposed state of "Franklin" (eastern Tennessee) tried to secede from Tennessee.

And Texas always dreams of seceding from the U.S.

This stuff happens occasionally.

Southern Arizona talks about breaking off from the rest of Arizona and making its capital in Tucson.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011...ssion-try/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/10...59954.html

The Conch Republic (The Florida Keys) with it's Capitol in Key West, left the State of Florida in 1828.

note: it is just an area "marketing" campaign.

Ty