True, it is hard to find anything specific with relation to the NCAA classification, different divisions, and sud-divisions history and how they were decided. Most likely the big schools caused most of these changes along the way with relation to the money pie and how it is divided. Now, the big schools, specifically the "Power Five Conferences" are talking about another reorganization of the NCAA by creating a standing division of their own, a fourth division, so that they can have direct control of their own affairs, their own money. Without it, I'm sure separation from the NCAA by them is not that remote. Of course this raises many questions. First, what happens to the remaining Division I FBS conferences/schools? What happens to the Division I FCS conferences/schools? And second, what happens to current Division I basketball which is made up of FBS, FCS, and non-football schools? Should be interesting going forward.

Thank you all for your great responses. It does sound like if etsu was in the socon in 1978 that they were I-A for a brief four year period, as the entire SoCon was I-A until 1982.
Mark another win for JMU over a highest level team .
Pertaining to the NCAA power conferences wanting to break away on their own, it could happen, but I expect anti-trust lawsuits to play out.
If they were successful, the remnants of fbs could and should form with the top of Fcs for what remains of the highest NCAA division.
If they ever break away, I will never watch or support any bcs teams ever again. They will be dead to me.

I think in ten years that's what well have, and it wouldn't shock me at all to see the non bcs conferences offer less scholarships, but instead of 85 scholarships they fund 70-75 full cost of living scholarships.

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(06-26-2013 01:04 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  True, it is hard to find anything specific with relation to the NCAA classification, different divisions, and sud-divisions history and how they were decided. Most likely the big schools caused most of these changes along the way with relation to the money pie and how it is divided. Now, the big schools, specifically the "Power Five Conferences" are talking about another reorganization of the NCAA by creating a standing division of their own, a fourth division, so that they can have direct control of their own affairs, their own money. Without it, I'm sure separation from the NCAA by them is not that remote. Of course this raises many questions. First, what happens to the remaining Division I FBS conferences/schools? What happens to the Division I FCS conferences/schools? And second, what happens to current Division I basketball which is made up of FBS, FCS, and non-football schools? Should be interesting going forward.

From here, perhaps one can make a little sense of the divisions, classifications. The SoCon can be tracked. ETSU was DI-A football in '78, '79, '80, and '81. The entire SoCon was moved to DI-AA in 1982. Don't know if they decided to reclassify or were forced to move by the NCAA. Grantland Rice Bowl is listed with all the bowls in 1969 info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_colleg...all_season

(06-26-2013 05:19 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 01:04 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  True, it is hard to find anything specific with relation to the NCAA classification, different divisions, and sud-divisions history and how they were decided. Most likely the big schools caused most of these changes along the way with relation to the money pie and how it is divided. Now, the big schools, specifically the "Power Five Conferences" are talking about another reorganization of the NCAA by creating a standing division of their own, a fourth division, so that they can have direct control of their own affairs, their own money. Without it, I'm sure separation from the NCAA by them is not that remote. Of course this raises many questions. First, what happens to the remaining Division I FBS conferences/schools? What happens to the Division I FCS conferences/schools? And second, what happens to current Division I basketball which is made up of FBS, FCS, and non-football schools? Should be interesting going forward.

From here, perhaps one can make a little sense of the divisions, classifications. The SoCon can be tracked. ETSU was DI-A football in '78, '79, '80, and '81. The entire SoCon was moved to DI-AA in 1982. Don't know if they decided to reclassify or were forced to move by the NCAA. Grantland Rice Bowl is listed with all the bowls in 1969 info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_colleg...all_season

I think the definitions of divisions has changed since then. I remember as a student going to the games and talking about being division 1. Was not the year we shellacked UTC 35-0 the year they were a top twenty ranked division 1 team? For the most part though ETSU fans knew in was in name only and the funding and support were not division 1.

(06-23-2013 06:08 AM)Potomac Wrote:  I have tried to look at CFBDataWarehouse.com, but they have no ETSU record due to there being no current program.

CFDW has ETSU scores. When you go to CFDW you have to look under discontinued.

Need to play some games around the nation against different big schools.

Ya gotta have winnable games. I get that a money game will happen, but early on especially there needs to be a healthy dose of Savannah state, lenoir rhyne, etc...

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(06-26-2013 01:04 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Was not the year we shellacked UTC 35-0 the year they were a top twenty ranked division 1 team? For the most part though ETSU fans knew in was in name only and the funding and support were not division 1.

I was at that game as an excited college freshman. I remember it well. We weren't ranked in Division 1 that year, tho we were in it. What you're probably remembering is that the quarterback, Mark Hutsell, was named Division 1 Player of the Week by, I think Sports Illustrated ... could have been someone else. But I think it was sports illustrated.

We had a good year that year, but it wasn't anything near top 20 status.

I just found a story on Hutsell from Orlando. I'll paste it into a separate message.

From Orlando Magazine in 2009:

“I am an example to my children of what can happen to you,” he says, a hint of regret in his tone more than three decades after being booted off the team for underage drinking. “I could have been a better leader.”

With the legal drinking age at 18 in the mid-’70s, high school students could be found in discos all over Orlando, from Lake Buena Vista to Altamonte Springs. Hutsell’s 18th birthday was still a few months away when a Boone coach spotted him walking out of a hotel lounge one weekend night.

“You can make one mistake and it could cost you your life,” says Hutsell, who thinks his boisterous personality and large ego at the time may have sealed his fate with the head coach.

After the big college programs backed away, East Tennessee State University, a Division I-A school with a football program described as “a joke (and a bad one at that)” by a sports writer for the school’s hometown paper, threw Hutsell a bone.

With a new head coach at ETSU in his junior year, Hutsell blossomed into a nationally ranked top-10 quarterback in passing and total offense. The following year, his passing stats put him in the same company as such elite collegiate quarterbacks as Marc Wilson of Brigham Young, Art Schlichter of Ohio State and Dan Marino of Pittsburgh, all NFL draft picks. During his senior season Hutsell was named Associated Press Back of the Week, the first time an ETSU football player had won a national honor. That year ended with a winning season for ETSU—the first in nine years—and with Hutsell playing in the Blue-Gray Football Classic, the now-defunct college all-star game that NFL scouts attended.

Hutsell felt certain he’d be taken in a late round of the 1980 NFL draft. He had filled out questionnaires sent to him by NFL teams, including the Dallas Cowboys, and says he had gotten encouraging reports from scouts.
“I sat in my dorm room for two days waiting for a phone call from a team,” he recalls of a time before live TV coverage of the draft. The call never came.

“Everybody wants a 6-foot-4 quarterback. But I thought somebody might pick him up,” says former ETSU head coach Jack Carlisle. “I can say without a doubt that he is the best quarterback I have ever coached in my 50 years of coaching. It’s a shame he wasn’t two inches taller. I think he could have played in the NFL had somebody given him a chance.”

Dave's gone and football's back, you still hatin' the Bucs Kevster?

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From Orlando Magazine in 2009:

With the legal drinking age at 18 in the mid-’70s, high school students could be found in discos all over Orlando, from Lake Buena Vista to Altamonte Springs. Hutsell’s 18th birthday was still a few months away when a Boone coach spotted him walking out of a hotel lounge one weekend night.

I'm curious. Was the "Boone" coach mentioned in the article a Daniel Boone High School coach? Did this supposed transgression happen locally in Johnson City? Or am I way off here and the underage drinking happen in Florida?

It is good to see Kevster posting here again. I always thought his information and opinions were spot on correct.

Florida. Boone High in Orlando. Article says his kids went there and wife teaches there.

Orlando Article

I think in honor of the new head coach, each time the Bucs reel off a big defensive play each of the fans should go:

(07-02-2013 09:05 PM)BucinBama Wrote:  Florida. Boone High in Orlando. Article says his kids went there and wife teaches there.

Orlando Article

Thanks BnB

(07-03-2013 03:35 AM)etsuwes Wrote:  I think in honor of the new head coach, each time the Bucs reel off a big defensive play each of the fans should go:

Is there some audio with this that I am just not getting?