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RE: Rest Easy, CUSA Expansion Over For Now
The SunBelt is #1 in baseball of the 5 conferences.
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RE: Rest Easy, CUSA Expansion Over For Now
(05-23-2013 01:33 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 01:27 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 12:46 PM)slycat Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 12:41 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  It would be easy to see how some SunBelt members could get agrivated with Louisiana fans. At almost every turn they keep talking about wanting to go to CUSA.
Call me an optimist if you want but I really see the SunBelt as a conference on the rise. Appalachian and us are good football programs and I think will help the SunBelt.
I would like to see the conference stick together and pass CUSA. It will be interesting to see that happen.

As long as NMSU and Idaho are in the line-up,you're not going to pass anyone.
Says the guy in a conference with UAB, FAU and UNCC.

UNCC hasn't played a down yet, over the next few years they could be as good as ODU or as bad as Georgia State, but we don't truly know what any of the start ups in either league are going to look like in ten years.

FAU has one less bowl appearance than you do and one more bowl victory than you do.

None of UAB, NMSU or Idaho football have been much to brag about, but at least UAB is in the middle of the CUSA footprint.
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RE: Rest Easy, CUSA Expansion Over For Now
(05-23-2013 02:24 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 01:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I do think some of you still in the Sun Belt are overblowing our attitude regarding the move. I haven't seen anyone from the departing fan bases say that we've "arrived" or are on easy street. We could be joining the 2004 CUSA lineup and I'd hardly consider that arriving.

03-lmfao

You need to read your own boards. Geesh.

I've read plenty of folks saying that they're happy to be out of the Sun Belt and excited about CUSA, but no one saying we've arrived or will have it easy in CUSA.

There is a difference.
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RE: Rest Easy, CUSA Expansion Over For Now
(05-23-2013 02:08 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 01:36 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  We return 3 of those 4 bowl teams. If I am gambling on futures, I fell good about the FCS teams we added who have won multiple national titles. UTSA is no more impressive than Texas State.

Not sure if stAte and UL's recent success is cyclical or not. However, looking at it in a more historic frame of reference, the current top-3 SBC schools (UL, ASU and Troy) v. the top-3 C-USA schools (USM, La Tech and Marshall) leaves a lot to be desired.

Every conference has had its programs cherry-picked and it's going to take five years (if the SBC history serves as any guide) for things to shake themselves out. Each conference has had its legs knocked out from under them so the pecking order is going to hold for a while.
I don't see where the matchup of those top three "leaves anything to be desired at all. Marshall has not been especially strong in some time and USM was not just bad last year, they were one of the worst in the nation. All six teams could be in a "cycle" but all we have to go on is how they are NOW. You can't assume that USM or Marshall will return to thier past any more than you can that stAte or ULL will return to just being competitive teams. For that matter, a few years ago Troy was the second best of those six.

For now, LT is the best program in CUSA and stAte is the best in the SBC in football and I would put our team against Tech any day of the week. The next two would be ULL and I guess USM and I know who I like in that matchup. Troy and Marshall would be a nice matchup.

I am not sure that I wouldn't put MTSU and WKU ahead of Marshall these days and ULM up there as well.

Beyond those programs there are some that have had success in their young history in FBS like FIU and FAU, some powerhouse FCS programs like App. St. and Ga. So. and a whole lot of unknowns.
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(05-23-2013 02:26 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  The SunBelt is #1 in baseball of the 5 conferences.

This is the first year in quite some time that the Sun Belt has been ahead of CUSA in conference baseball RPI. Most years the two conferences are very close to one another, usually both in the top 7, but usually with CUSA a spot or two ahead.

Baseball is probably the only sport that both CUSA and the Sun Belt are closer to the top than they are to the bottom.
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RE: Rest Easy, CUSA Expansion Over For Now
Where the SunBelt really needs to step up is in basketball. Unfortunately unless we get it going neither Appalachian nor us (Georgia Southern) have been really that good. We do have a new coach this year so there is hope here at Ga. Southern that things will start heading up.
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Re: Rest Easy, CUSA Expansion Over For Now
It's amusing that I make the case that we can't really know how this will turn out and it causes a rash of case pleading.

We can't know. Too many variables.

All we know is that both conferences are worse off than they were.
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RE: Rest Easy, CUSA Expansion Over For Now
(05-23-2013 02:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 02:26 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  The SunBelt is #1 in baseball of the 5 conferences.
This is the first year in quite some time that the Sun Belt has been ahead of CUSA in conference baseball RPI. Most years the two conferences are very close to one another, usually both in the top 7, but usually with CUSA a spot or two ahead.
Baseball is probably the only sport that both CUSA and the Sun Belt are closer to the top than they are to the bottom.

That's Rice pulling C-USA ahead, and they'll still be around.
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RE: Rest Easy, CUSA Expansion Over For Now
Have all sorts of confidence that the Sun Belt will be one of the premiere conferences of the Gof5.
CUSA will improve, especially with recent Sun Belt additions, but believe SBC newbies will do well.
Even believe the lack of a conference may spur NMSU and Idaho to dig deeper to improve their product.
Whether to make sure they are never conference denied or the realization that they just have to do so.
No one knows for sure, but confidence is high. Let's be sure to revisit this subject in a couple of years.
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RE: Rest Easy, CUSA Expansion Over For Now
(05-23-2013 02:38 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  It's amusing that I make the case that we can't really know how this will turn out and it causes a rash of case pleading.

We can't know. Too many variables.

All we know is that both conferences are worse off than they were.

This. It's going to take 3 or 4 years of new teams, new games, and new champions to decide who has the more competitive conference. Even then it will take another 2 or 3 years for the general public to catch up, by then the roles could have changed. The ONLY conference in college football that can claim dominance over anyone else is the SEC, and even that wont last forever.
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(05-23-2013 03:08 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 02:38 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  It's amusing that I make the case that we can't really know how this will turn out and it causes a rash of case pleading.

We can't know. Too many variables.

All we know is that both conferences are worse off than they were.

This. It's going to take 3 or 4 years of new teams, new games, and new champions to decide who has the more competitive conference. Even then it will take another 2 or 3 years for the general public to catch up, by then the roles could have changed. The ONLY conference in college football that can claim dominance over anyone else is the SEC, and even that wont last forever.

Who are you betting on TrueBlue?
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RE: Rest Easy, CUSA Expansion Over For Now
(05-23-2013 02:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 02:26 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  The SunBelt is #1 in baseball of the 5 conferences.

This is the first year in quite some time that the Sun Belt has been ahead of CUSA in conference baseball RPI. Most years the two conferences are very close to one another, usually both in the top 7, but usually with CUSA a spot or two ahead.

Baseball is probably the only sport that both CUSA and the Sun Belt are closer to the top than they are to the bottom.

Your problem seems to be comparing C-USA in 2010 to SBC in 2010. I am looking at SBC baseball compared to CUSA baseball in 2014. Gone are Houston, ECU, UCF and Tulane and in are MTSU, WKU, FIU and FAU etc. La Tech has been terrible (6 conference wins this year) and UTSA was a middle-of-the-pack SLC team (2 tourney appearances in 30+ years).

FAU is the best add in baseball, but Texas State and we have had a lot of success in baseball playing for a conference that didn't give two shakes about it. Both of us expect to take it to the next level. I can't speak for the situations surrounding Georgia Southern and Georgia State, but they have good-great baseball histories. Appalachian State had a good run last year, so every team invited has had some form of success recently. Can't say that about all of the C-USA adds.
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RE: Rest Easy, CUSA Expansion Over For Now
(05-23-2013 02:45 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 02:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 02:26 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  The SunBelt is #1 in baseball of the 5 conferences.
This is the first year in quite some time that the Sun Belt has been ahead of CUSA in conference baseball RPI. Most years the two conferences are very close to one another, usually both in the top 7, but usually with CUSA a spot or two ahead.
Baseball is probably the only sport that both CUSA and the Sun Belt are closer to the top than they are to the bottom.

That's Rice pulling C-USA ahead, and they'll still be around.

Baloney, they are really good, but ECU and Tulane have been just as dominant and they are gone. What's going to happen to their RPI when those three games against a top 20-40 team is gone?

EDIT:Houston has made numerous tourney appearances and they are gone. Another RPI hit for C-USA.

Bottom line, in baseball, C-USA got worse, SBC got better. Will it be enough to bridge the gap. We will see, but I am betting yes.
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(05-23-2013 03:22 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 03:08 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 02:38 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  It's amusing that I make the case that we can't really know how this will turn out and it causes a rash of case pleading.

We can't know. Too many variables.

All we know is that both conferences are worse off than they were.

This. It's going to take 3 or 4 years of new teams, new games, and new champions to decide who has the more competitive conference. Even then it will take another 2 or 3 years for the general public to catch up, by then the roles could have changed. The ONLY conference in college football that can claim dominance over anyone else is the SEC, and even that wont last forever.

Who are you betting on TrueBlue?

Georgia Southern, national champions in 2020. Just kidding... honestly, with the football landscape the way it is, there is no telling what teams or conferences will improve (in football). I think the teams located in the southeast have a slight advantage because its a football heavy region of the country, but as history has shown, we will just keep beating up on one another in cycles. Unless some of the schools in the sunbelt/c-usa end up with HUGE donor bases that continually pump millions of dollars into our programs we will have a hard time winning the recruiting battle against any of the Big 5 conference teams.

All that said... In 15 years if playoff expansion continues and there is an increase in the number of upsets I think both our conferences will improve because it will be much easier to convince 5-star and 4-star recruits that they have post-season hopes.
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(05-23-2013 12:50 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 12:47 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 12:41 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  It would be easy to see how some SunBelt members could get agrivated with Louisiana fans. At almost every turn they keep talking about wanting to go to CUSA.

Call me an optimist if you want but I really see the SunBelt as a conference on the rise. Appalachian and us are good football programs and I think will help the SunBelt.

The opportunity is there for sure, more so then at any other time the talent gap between the Go5 schools is at the narrowest its ever been.

It is. Many CUSA fans don't want to hear that they have a lot of work to do and are sort of deluding themselves into thinking that they've finally reached their destination and fallen into the easy life. That may be one advantage the SBC has.

This reminds me of Clint Eastwood debating an empty chair.
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RE: Rest Easy, CUSA Expansion Over For Now
Let me ask a question which of the following won enough games to go to a bowl?

UNT
FAU
FIU
GASU
GSU
USA
TXST

What makes anyone think the schools on that list that haven't will all of a sudden be better than UNT, FAU, or FIU? Right now those 3 schools have proven they can win enough games to get to a bowl game and there's nothing to say they can't get back there.

Here's my opinion on what I think is being over looked with App and GSU, very good history by both but that is being top dog or close to it. Lot easier to recruit when you can tell a kid...You will play for national championship. Than it is trying to sell a recruit you're not the bottom of the barrel as the new comer to FBS.

So till GASU, GSU, TXST, APP proves they can get the job done there is zero reason to believe they have a better chance for improvement than FIU, FAU, or UNT. There's no logic in thinking other wise...one has proven they can and one has proved nothing at this point.

There's the flaw
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(05-23-2013 02:19 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  I don't disagree mch with basketball, but you are deluding yourself if you think the MAC compares to the Belt in baseball. One team in the CWS doesn't mean much if you are looking at it from top to bottom.

I meant that they are probably the worst Go5 baseball conference, but despite that reality, they still put a team in the CWS recently
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(05-23-2013 04:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Let me ask a question which of the following won enough games to go to a bowl?

UNT
FAU
FIU
GASU
GSU
USA
TXST

What makes anyone think the schools on that list that haven't will all of a sudden be better than UNT, FAU, or FIU? Right now those 3 schools have proven they can win enough games to get to a bowl game and there's nothing to say they can't get back there.

Here's my opinion on what I think is being over looked with App and GSU, very good history by both but that is being top dog or close to it. Lot easier to recruit when you can tell a kid...You will play for national championship. Than it is trying to sell a recruit you're not the bottom of the barrel as the new comer to FBS.

So till GASU, GSU, TXST, APP proves they can get the job done there is zero reason to believe they have a better chance for improvement than FIU, FAU, or UNT. There's no logic in thinking other wise...one has proven they can and one has proved nothing at this point.

There's the flaw

Doesn't really seem that you are asking for all that much. If your coming conference affiliation leads you to believe that, great, but temper it with that thought.
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Re: RE: Rest Easy, CUSA Expansion Over For Now
(05-23-2013 03:58 PM)RowdyAlumni Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 12:50 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 12:47 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 12:41 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  It would be easy to see how some SunBelt members could get agrivated with Louisiana fans. At almost every turn they keep talking about wanting to go to CUSA.

Call me an optimist if you want but I really see the SunBelt as a conference on the rise. Appalachian and us are good football programs and I think will help the SunBelt.

The opportunity is there for sure, more so then at any other time the talent gap between the Go5 schools is at the narrowest its ever been.

It is. Many CUSA fans don't want to hear that they have a lot of work to do and are sort of deluding themselves into thinking that they've finally reached their destination and fallen into the easy life. That may be one advantage the SBC has.

This reminds me of Clint Eastwood debating an empty chair.

Everyone here is debating an empty chair.
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(05-23-2013 04:30 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 03:58 PM)RowdyAlumni Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 12:50 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 12:47 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 12:41 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  It would be easy to see how some SunBelt members could get agrivated with Louisiana fans. At almost every turn they keep talking about wanting to go to CUSA.

Call me an optimist if you want but I really see the SunBelt as a conference on the rise. Appalachian and us are good football programs and I think will help the SunBelt.

The opportunity is there for sure, more so then at any other time the talent gap between the Go5 schools is at the narrowest its ever been.

It is. Many CUSA fans don't want to hear that they have a lot of work to do and are sort of deluding themselves into thinking that they've finally reached their destination and fallen into the easy life. That may be one advantage the SBC has.

This reminds me of Clint Eastwood debating an empty chair.

Everyone here is debating an empty chair.

. . . and if you're keeping score, the Chair is winning . .. .
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