saint louis #11

dayton #12

the smart play

(05-23-2013 11:16 AM)Cardiff Wrote:  NJredman who is that

in your avatar?

The White Stripes

ah-so

Probably unrelated...

...but VCU apparently has plans to increase seating capacity at the Siegel Center from 7,693 to 10,000+.

I may be wrong, but I don't know if they do that without a move to either the Big East or American. Maybe they do anyway though (VCU's sold out every game for a few seasons now).

(05-25-2013 07:09 AM)Natty Wrote:  Probably unrelated...

...but VCU apparently has plans to increase seating capacity at the Siegel Center from 7,693 to 10,000+.

I may be wrong, but I don't know if they do that without a move to either the Big East or American. Maybe they do anyway though (VCU's sold out every game for a few seasons now).

Between this and adding women's lax, something is definitely afoot. There's a 0% chance of football starting while Shaka's still coaching, and probably a 0% chance, period. The money just isn't there, and even if there was private seed to finance the capital assets, student fees would have to go up the near $1,000 being charged by ODU. Just not going to happen. I don't think the AAC is interested in a basketball-only add, so....

(05-25-2013 07:09 AM)Natty Wrote:  Probably unrelated...

...but VCU apparently has plans to increase seating capacity at the Siegel Center from 7,693 to 10,000+.

I may be wrong, but I don't know if they do that without a move to either the Big East or American. Maybe they do anyway though (VCU's sold out every game for a few seasons now).

Very easy case to make for SLU/VCU.

But it does have one problem: the Institutional Fit.

(05-27-2013 07:44 PM)LouPower Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 07:09 AM)Natty Wrote:  Probably unrelated...

...but VCU apparently has plans to increase seating capacity at the Siegel Center from 7,693 to 10,000+.

I may be wrong, but I don't know if they do that without a move to either the Big East or American. Maybe they do anyway though (VCU's sold out every game for a few seasons now).

Very easy case to make for SLU/VCU.

But it does have one problem: the Institutional Fit.

This is a league of basketball schools. VCU is a basketball school. They fit.

This is a league of city schools. VCU is a city school. They fit.

(05-27-2013 11:11 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 07:44 PM)LouPower Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 07:09 AM)Natty Wrote:  Probably unrelated...

...but VCU apparently has plans to increase seating capacity at the Siegel Center from 7,693 to 10,000+.

I may be wrong, but I don't know if they do that without a move to either the Big East or American. Maybe they do anyway though (VCU's sold out every game for a few seasons now).

Very easy case to make for SLU/VCU.

But it does have one problem: the Institutional Fit.

This is a league of basketball schools. VCU is a basketball school. They fit.

This is a league of city schools. VCU is a city school. They fit.

Melky, if you guys didn't get conned into starting a D1 FB program and were still with us it would make adding VCU much easier. In fact it would make adding the three current front runners and just going to 14 much easier as well.

But alas, we are small(ish) private schools and looks like we want to keep it that way.

I don't get the problem with adding 1-2 big public school's. Jumping to 14 with st louis, dayton, vcu and umass makes for a good setup. You got two nice 7 team divisions based on geography...large school's in vcu and umass increase following. As for football, vcu doesn't have it and doesn't plan it, umass can be happy in the mac, problem solved. The breakdown would be 11 catholic, 2 public of which 1 is flagship, and 1 private.

(05-23-2013 11:17 AM)Cardiff Wrote:  saint louis #11
dayton #12
the smart play

No thanks.

(05-28-2013 09:56 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I don't get the problem with adding 1-2 big public school's. Jumping to 14 with st louis, dayton, vcu and umass makes for a good setup. You got two nice 7 team divisions based on geography...large school's in vcu and umass increase following. As for football, vcu doesn't have it and doesn't plan it, umass can be happy in the mac, problem solved. The breakdown would be 11 catholic, 2 public of which 1 is flagship, and 1 private.

We have no need for a FB school.

(05-28-2013 12:38 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 11:11 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 07:44 PM)LouPower Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 07:09 AM)Natty Wrote:  Probably unrelated...

...but VCU apparently has plans to increase seating capacity at the Siegel Center from 7,693 to 10,000+.

I may be wrong, but I don't know if they do that without a move to either the Big East or American. Maybe they do anyway though (VCU's sold out every game for a few seasons now).

Very easy case to make for SLU/VCU.

But it does have one problem: the Institutional Fit.

This is a league of basketball schools. VCU is a basketball school. They fit.

This is a league of city schools. VCU is a city school. They fit.

Melky, if you guys didn't get conned into starting a D1 FB program and were still with us it would make adding VCU much easier. In fact it would make adding the three current front runners and just going to 14 much easier as well.

But alas, we are small(ish) private schools and looks like we want to keep it that way.

I hear you, Red Man. I'm a basketball guy and I'm already missing the Catholic schools rivalries - especially since members of my family went to St. John's & Providence.

Actually all of the Big East schools are not so smallish. As you know, St. John's has grown to be quite big and DePaul is even bigger. I believe that both are over 20,000 at this point. Correct me if I'm wrong.

(05-28-2013 01:16 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 12:38 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 11:11 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 07:44 PM)LouPower Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 07:09 AM)Natty Wrote:  Probably unrelated...

...but VCU apparently has plans to increase seating capacity at the Siegel Center from 7,693 to 10,000+.

I may be wrong, but I don't know if they do that without a move to either the Big East or American. Maybe they do anyway though (VCU's sold out every game for a few seasons now).

Very easy case to make for SLU/VCU.

But it does have one problem: the Institutional Fit.

This is a league of basketball schools. VCU is a basketball school. They fit.

This is a league of city schools. VCU is a city school. They fit.

Melky, if you guys didn't get conned into starting a D1 FB program and were still with us it would make adding VCU much easier. In fact it would make adding the three current front runners and just going to 14 much easier as well.

But alas, we are small(ish) private schools and looks like we want to keep it that way.

I hear you, Red Man. I'm a basketball guy and I'm already missing the Catholic schools rivalries - especially since members of my family went to St. John's & Providence.

Actually all of the Big East schools are not so smallish. As you know, St. John's has grown to be quite big and DePaul is even bigger. I believe that both are over 20,000 at this point. Correct me if I'm wrong.

25K and 21K

Has anyone noticed the input from politicians like State Senator Cody and Governor Christie on the Rutgers situation? State schools answer to politicians and legislatures. They are a different animal from the private schools. That seems to be what the Big East, in its new form, is trying to avoid.

(05-27-2013 02:08 PM)thegalen Wrote:  There's a 0% chance of football starting while Shaka's still coaching, and probably a 0% chance, period. The money just isn't there, and even if there was private seed to finance the capital assets, student fees would have to go up the near $1,000 being charged by ODU. Just not going to happen.

Agreed.

Quote:I don't think the AAC is interested in a basketball-only add, so....

Difficult to say. As of July 1, 2014, the league will have 11 basketball members. Obviously, the B1G got along just fine with 11 members for a long, long time. So it's not as if the American must add somebody else.

I think, however, if there was a potential non-football candidate that was obviously the right fit, then the American would take a long, hard look. Is VCU it? Would VCU even be interested in the American in the first place? I honestly don't know. Clearly the CAA is taking some hard hits these days. That must factor into VCU's plans.

(05-28-2013 10:47 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(05-23-2013 11:17 AM)Cardiff Wrote:  saint louis #11
dayton #12
the smart play

No thanks.

I can see that both ways. But it does appear to be a consensus that BE will expand to 12, and that SLU will be in it. Outlook is cloudy on who the other will be.

(05-29-2013 02:38 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 02:08 PM)thegalen Wrote:  There's a 0% chance of football starting while Shaka's still coaching, and probably a 0% chance, period. The money just isn't there, and even if there was private seed to finance the capital assets, student fees would have to go up the near $1,000 being charged by ODU. Just not going to happen.

Agreed.

Quote:I don't think the AAC is interested in a basketball-only add, so....

Difficult to say. As of July 1, 2014, the league will have 11 basketball members. Obviously, the B1G got along just fine with 11 members for a long, long time. So it's not as if the American must add somebody else.

I think, however, if there was a potential non-football candidate that was obviously the right fit, then the American would take a long, hard look. Is VCU it? Would VCU even be interested in the American in the first place? I honestly don't know. Clearly the CAA is taking some hard hits these days. That must factor into VCU's plans.

IMHO, VCU is a perfect fit with the AAC . . . which is precisely shy the Big East should grab them now before the AAC does.

Reason for them being a perfect fit is that Navy is football only. VCU can come in for all other sports as a complement to Navy and do so in the same general market area to continue to give the AAC visibility in that market.

What the AAC has had difficulty realizing is that they can make an impact faster in basketball than they can in football, but their basketball isn't very good after UConn and a few others. Therefore, bring in VCU to improve depth.

(05-29-2013 04:48 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  IMHO, VCU is a perfect fit with the AAC . . . which is precisely shy the Big East should grab them now before the AAC does.

I can understand why some people would see it that way, but I think it would be a huge mistake for the BE to expand with someone they don't really want, just (or mainly) to prevent the American from getting them instead. After a few (3-4-5) years, I really believe that both leagues will have established very distinct, separate, and successful identities. There's no need (and very little gain to be had) from either one trying to "undermine" the other.

(05-29-2013 10:12 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 04:48 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  IMHO, VCU is a perfect fit with the AAC . . . which is precisely shy the Big East should grab them now before the AAC does.

I can understand why some people would see it that way, but I think it would be a huge mistake for the BE to expand with someone they don't really want, just (or mainly) to prevent the American from getting them instead. After a few (3-4-5) years, I really believe that both leagues will have established very distinct, separate, and successful identities. There's no need (and very little gain to be had) from either one trying to "undermine" the other.

IF the BE doesn't want VCU - and we don't know that to be the case, it's a mistake. If their goal is to build a premier basketball conference, then they SHOULD want VCU IMHO because they're the best available program in their footprint. An additional benefit is that they will balance East/West interests.

Competition from the AAC is not the reason to choose VCU for #12, but it adds urgency to acting on it.

(05-30-2013 07:55 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Competition from the AAC is not the reason to choose VCU for #12, but it adds urgency to acting on it.

I'll be shocked if VCU isn't in one of the two leagues within a year or two.