(05-15-2013 08:22 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 08:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 09:51 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  and...

2) If I understand correctly, there was an attempt to start a new game at BHNS (the "Cure Bowl") that got pretty well squashed by the people at Florida Citrus Sports.

That was not the case.

Florida Citrus Sports had nothing to do with the Cure Bowl and FCS had nothing to do with the Cure Bowl's application not being approved by the NCAA Bowl Committee (who had put a freeze on new bowl applications).

With more teams moving up to Div I-A...and with SEC growing to 14 teams...with ACC growing to 15 teams...with Big Ten growing to 14 teams, etc....the odds of the NCAA approving new bowl games probably just went up a notch or two.

Having an AAC Bowl Game at UCF's stadium during the holiday week (not BEFORE Christmas), when students are out of town is a perfect time for football fans to "take over" the campus.

It's a nice idea....

Which I believe was the main point of the subject of this thread.

Again, with more and more teams jumping up to Div I-A...and now that the AAC will be at 11 teams in 2014 and 12 teams in 2015, I could easily see the same group that first proposed the Cure Bowl (would be the only one named after a charity/cause) again to be hosted at UCF in the very near future.

The AAC ought to back the Cure Bowl and get that done, even if it's a MAC or SBC team opposite us at first.

(05-15-2013 08:26 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 08:23 AM)mwp1023 Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 07:38 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Could this league even create a bowl at this point that could get a P5 tie in? There's little reason to spend the time and resources if it can't. Maybe as a long term venture if you could create a bowl in a good location with a good date and start with whatever G5 school and then upgrade it over time, but it appears that the time to create a bowl was months ago.

Don't you need to drop another batch of fries before your manager finds out your playing on your phone again at work?

Ok offer up your idea about what this league can do to ensure it's champ isn't playing in the Beef bowl. Toss out an idea.

Just find it ironic that someone who has never done anything of any substance in their life is constantly critiquing and calling for the firing of those who have...

(05-14-2013 10:30 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 09:51 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  On a serious note, for a minute...
1) "Citrus Bowl" is owned by Florida Citrus Sports, which runs the other two bowls in Orlando and controls the Citrus Bowl Stadium. (Correct me if I'm wrong on that Kruciff or one of the other Orlando people...) So, NO, I don't think we could simply start a new bowl at BHNS and call it the "Citrus Bowl" or the "Tangerine Bowl."

and...

2) If I understand correctly, there was an attempt to start a new game at BHNS (the "Cure Bowl") that got pretty well squashed by the people at Florida Citrus Sports.

Isn't there some citrus fruit without a bowl connection? What about the Clementine Bowl?

Yes.

Bowl in UCF stadium is a great idea, irregardless of who the (initial) opponent is. We need to fight like hell to get 2-3 bowls against P5 opponents (other thread), but we also need some filler so we have 6-7 total bowl tie-ins. These games are for the students and fans to enjoy, as it's not a premier opponent. For the bottom bowls, great destinations are a necessity. Nothing beats central Florida, especially for a trip down during the winter/holiday season.

As an aside, that's why I've always thought the BOBB was a good idea... but I get everyone seems to hate it. I wonder what could be done to improve it... move it up to RJStadium?

Since the BCS NCG is going to become a play-in game, that's one less bowl with a direct tie-in. That leaves the door open to a new bowl to be created, espceially with 6 new FBS schools coming into the fold by 2015. The potential is there.

Florida Citrus Sports would not allow the Citrus Bowl name to leave and KL is right, they had no influence on squashing the Cure Bowl.

(05-15-2013 10:53 AM)Bull Wrote:  As an aside, that's why I've always thought the BOBB was a good idea... but I get everyone seems to hate it. I wonder what could be done to improve it... move it up to RJStadium?

Yes, please. The Trop is a horrid venue for football - even worse than it is for baseball.

(05-15-2013 10:59 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 10:53 AM)Bull Wrote:  As an aside, that's why I've always thought the BOBB was a good idea... but I get everyone seems to hate it. I wonder what could be done to improve it... move it up to RJStadium?

Yes, please. The Trop is a horrid venue for football - even worse than it is for baseball.

Yep there is no reason if that bowl is going to be before Christmas to have it at the Trop. Move it to RJ and it instantly becomes a much better tie in.

(05-15-2013 10:53 AM)Bull Wrote:  Bowl in UCF stadium is a great idea, irregardless of who the (initial) opponent is. We need to fight like hell to get 2-3 bowls against P5 opponents (other thread), but we also need some filler so we have 6-7 total bowl tie-ins. These games are for the students and fans to enjoy, as it's not a premier opponent. For the bottom bowls, great destinations are a necessity. Nothing beats central Florida, especially for a trip down during the winter/holiday season.

As an aside, that's why I've always thought the BOBB was a good idea... but I get everyone seems to hate it. I wonder what could be done to improve it... move it up to RJStadium?

Agreed. Bowls should be in nice destinations. I would rather focus on that than playing SEC #13.

#1Hawaii bowl
#2Liberty bowl
#3Bowl on UCF campus
#4New Orleans bowl
#5Military bowl
#6Armed Forces bowl
#7Las Vegas bowl
#8Beef O'Brady bowl
#9Sun/Kraft bowl

There isn't a 2nd bowl in RJS, is there? If not, I say keep the BO'B Bowl and try for either a 2nd bowl at RJS or a new one at BHNS. Moving the BO'B Bowl to RJS is an option, but I wonder how hard the city leaders in St. Pete would fight it.

How about a second bowl in Miami?

(05-15-2013 11:25 AM)Knightshift Wrote:  There isn't a 2nd bowl in RJS, is there? If not, I say keep the BO'B Bowl and try for either a 2nd bowl at RJS or a new one at BHNS. Moving the BO'B Bowl to RJS is an option, but I wonder how hard the city leaders in St. Pete would fight it.

Or the Buccaneers would. The Citrus Bowl can get two games in under 5 days, but they don't have an NFL team. Same issue with Miami and Jacksonville.

Didn't the Rays have something to do with the setup of the BOB bowl. I know when they were proposing a new waterfront baseball stadium, they were saying the BOB bowl would also go to the new stadium. Not sure if it can be moved to RJS. The Rays are trying to get a new stadium. If it ever happens, the BOB bowl would the probably move to a retractable roof stadium.

Could maybe use the original Tangerine Bowl name actually.

(05-15-2013 11:44 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Didn't the Rays have something to do with the setup of the BOB bowl. I know when they were proposing a new waterfront baseball stadium, they were saying the BOB bowl would also go to the new stadium. Not sure if it can be moved to RJS. The Rays are trying to get a new stadium. If it ever happens, the BOB bowl would the probably move to a retractable roof stadium.

They should really move that team to Tampa. That St. Pete location is horrible. Hell you can barely get Tampa folks out to that stadium, let alone any Orlando folks. Hopefully any new stadium is more centrally located.

In case anyone is interested in learning more about the Cure Bowl, their website is still up and running:

http://curebowl.com/

The only thing stopping this bowl from happening is the NCAA's limitation on bowl games, the application for the game was denied in favor of the Pinstripe Bowl.

According to Wikipedia (which we all know is an accurate source) "Bowl organizers vow to continue their efforts to host the Cure Bowl in Orlando".

(05-15-2013 12:26 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  In case anyone is interested in learning more about the Cure Bowl, their website is still up and running:

http://curebowl.com/

The only thing stopping this bowl from happening is the NCAA's limitation on bowl games, the application for the game was denied in favor of the Pinstripe Bowl.

According to Wikipedia (which we all know is an accurate source) "Bowl organizers vow to continue their efforts to host the Cure Bowl in Orlando".

I really don't think there will be any new bowl games approved until the numbers support it. If the number of bowl eligible teams begins to rise (and the movement to raise eligibility to 7 wins fails), then I think you'll see some movement on approving applications.

(05-15-2013 12:38 PM)ej6687 Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 12:26 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  In case anyone is interested in learning more about the Cure Bowl, their website is still up and running:

http://curebowl.com/

The only thing stopping this bowl from happening is the NCAA's limitation on bowl games, the application for the game was denied in favor of the Pinstripe Bowl.

According to Wikipedia (which we all know is an accurate source) "Bowl organizers vow to continue their efforts to host the Cure Bowl in Orlando".

I really don't think there will be any new bowl games approved until the numbers support it. If the number of bowl eligible teams begins to rise (and the movement to raise eligibility to 7 wins fails), then I think you'll see some movement on approving applications.

If the AAC wants a better bowl in Florida or 2 bowls in Florida it needs to make the Beef O'Brady Bowl a better option and or start another bowl. Location options are tough if you move the Beef O'Brady to Christmas week or add another Florida Christmas week option.

South Florida - Orange Bowl - need to work around NYE / NYD playoff bowl and the Dolphins.

Tampa - Need to work around the Outback Bowl NYE / NYD and the Buccaneers.

Jacksonville - Need to work around the Gator Bowl NYE / NYD and the Jaguars.

Orlando - Need to work around the Capitol One Bowl NYE / NYD and the Champs Bowl played earlier in the week.

With the Pro teams playing 2 Sunday, or a Saturday and Sunday at either end of the Christmas - New Year's week plus a major bowl in their stadiums those options are out.

With two bowls in Orlando during Christmas Week and one of them on New Year's Day that option is tough too.

Another problem is that the Beef O'Brady Bowl is owned by ESPN and if they like the day and time slot in the Dome at Tampa it will stay there.

Most likely option is a new bowl in UCF's Stadium mid Christmas week on a channel not owned by ESPN and try to get a P-5 opponent, a ND connection outside of their ACC bowl and Play-off options, or even an option with independent BYU with a decent payout. A B-10 opponent on the B-10 channel or the ND option with their connection to NBC would greatly enhance this bowl. BYU coming east for their national recognition once in a while between west coast and Texas stops wouldn't be to shabby either to get this bowl off the ground. With the new Christmas week bowl option at UCF's Stadium the AAC could keep the Beef O'Brady Bowl in Tampa before Christmas to keep two bowls in Florida if the conference so desires.

Sigh...

What really needs to happen is the NCAA should grab the "bull by the horns" and begin retracting D1/FBS. There ought to be an instant moratorium placed on teams moving into FBS with an eye to reducing FBS to a maximum of 100 teams. Then they could seriously pare back the amount and number of bowl games.

There is ABSOLUTELY no need for ANY MORE BOWL GAMES. Period. End-of-story.

And whether you like-it-or-not, the "Power 5" conferences are priming the pump for this to happen with the almost inevitable "Super" division that is coming. D1-FBS has become meaningless and a money loser. And it keeps getting worse with programs like Georgia State and UMass continuing to dilute the market.

(05-15-2013 07:38 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Could this league even create a bowl at this point that could get a P5 tie in? There's little reason to spend the time and resources if it can't. Maybe as a long term venture if you could create a bowl in a good location with a good date and start with whatever G5 school and then upgrade it over time, but it appears that the time to create a bowl was months ago.

I feel like from where the AAC is sitting today it doesn't have a bowl game in Texas.

Therefore it might make sense for the AAC to start an early season game with CUSA in San Antonio and give the Beef O' Brady's bowl to another conference like the MAC which couldn't travel any worse than CUSA.

The AAC is probably going to also sign backup agreements with the Poinsettia and Armed Forces Bowl to backup BYU/Army in those games. Maybe even the Kraft if those schools are participating.