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RE: OT: The New New Soccer Thread
I'm pretty sure every American soccer fan knows about BeIN seeing as they have all major leagues/competitions outside of Bundesliga, Champs League, Euro League, and FA Cup.
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(05-23-2013 10:54 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  I'm pretty sure every American soccer fan knows about BeIN seeing as they have all major leagues/competitions outside of Bundesliga, Champs League, Euro League, and FA Cup.

Maybe every serious fan, but I'm talking about the casual fan. The casual fan probably doesn't know they exist and even if they did, they aren't likely to shell out for the upper tier package necessary to get those channels.
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RE: OT: The New New Soccer Thread
(05-23-2013 11:28 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 10:54 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  I'm pretty sure every American soccer fan knows about BeIN seeing as they have all major leagues/competitions outside of Bundesliga, Champs League, Euro League, and FA Cup.

Maybe every serious fan, but I'm talking about the casual fan. The casual fan probably doesn't know they exist and even if they did, they aren't likely to shell out for the upper tier package necessary to get those channels.

So you have changed your argument that the Premier League is the "the most elite soccer league that has primary commentary in English" to "the Premier League is the most elite soccer league that has primary commentary in English on channels known to casual fans."

Okay, so you've taken the category and made this about MLS, the Premier League, and Liga MX to a certain (limited) extent.

The soccer world would be a much simpler place if we simply ignored that 90% of it exists...
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RE: OT: The New New Soccer Thread
(05-23-2013 10:54 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  I'm pretty sure every American soccer fan knows about BeIN seeing as they have all major leagues/competitions outside of Bundesliga, Champs League, Euro League, and FA Cup.

sadly, att uverse doesn't have bein channel...damn it
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RE: OT: The New New Soccer Thread
(05-23-2013 12:22 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 10:54 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  I'm pretty sure every American soccer fan knows about BeIN seeing as they have all major leagues/competitions outside of Bundesliga, Champs League, Euro League, and FA Cup.

sadly, att uverse doesn't have bein channel...damn it

I know :(
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RE: OT: The New New Soccer Thread
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(05-23-2013 10:54 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  I'm pretty sure every American soccer fan knows about BeIN seeing as they have all major leagues/competitions outside of Bundesliga, Champs League, Euro League, and FA Cup.

Maybe every serious fan, but I'm talking about the casual fan. The casual fan probably doesn't know they exist and even if they did, they aren't likely to shell out for the upper tier package necessary to get those channels.

On Dish I have AT200 with the sports package...

I get:

Fox Soccer (Used to have EPL, sports pack)
BeIN (recently moved down from 250 not sure if it's in 200 or sports pack)

I DO NOT get:

NBC Sports Network (Future EPL, in AT250)

So you were saying? 05-stirthepot
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RE: OT: The New New Soccer Thread
(05-23-2013 12:15 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 11:28 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 10:54 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  I'm pretty sure every American soccer fan knows about BeIN seeing as they have all major leagues/competitions outside of Bundesliga, Champs League, Euro League, and FA Cup.

Maybe every serious fan, but I'm talking about the casual fan. The casual fan probably doesn't know they exist and even if they did, they aren't likely to shell out for the upper tier package necessary to get those channels.

So you have changed your argument that the Premier League is the "the most elite soccer league that has primary commentary in English" to "the Premier League is the most elite soccer league that has primary commentary in English on channels known to casual fans."

Okay, so you've taken the category and made this about MLS, the Premier League, and Liga MX to a certain (limited) extent.

The soccer world would be a much simpler place if we simply ignored that 90% of it exists...

03-lmfao Right?

After I disproved him he kept changing the conditions so he could be made right and as my above post shows, he was still incorrect 03-lmfao
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RE: OT: The New New Soccer Thread
(05-23-2013 10:48 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 10:44 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 10:24 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 09:11 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  No one from Mississippi or Florida is going to care about, nor follow, a team in Atlanta or Charlotte. The great bulk of mls fan support is fairly local. It would not be like the situation with the braves, in which they become the south's team. MLS just doesn't, nor likely ever will, have that kind of casual fan support.

Also, the EPL remains more popular because its the most elite soccer league that has primary commentary in English.

Bundesliga and La Liga laughs in your face.

I'm not sure about La Liga....While they may have two of the 5 or 6 most elite clubs in the world, the rest of the league is not that impressive to me. It really seems to be a barbell approach.

While I agree La Liga is top heavy, EPL isn't much better. ManU, ManC, Chelsea, Aresnal will all finish in top 4-5 ~99% of the time. While I do feel that is starting to shift a bit (Spurs, Everton, Racists making strides) right now it's those 4 and everyone else.

Meh...if you look historically at the league, you have to throw in L'pool to the top tier even though they have been down the last year or two. Then you add in the likes of a Newcastle and a few others to the middle tier and you have a very solid (historically) league.
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RE: OT: The New New Soccer Thread
(05-23-2013 12:15 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 11:28 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 10:54 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  I'm pretty sure every American soccer fan knows about BeIN seeing as they have all major leagues/competitions outside of Bundesliga, Champs League, Euro League, and FA Cup.

Maybe every serious fan, but I'm talking about the casual fan. The casual fan probably doesn't know they exist and even if they did, they aren't likely to shell out for the upper tier package necessary to get those channels.

So you have changed your argument that the Premier League is the "the most elite soccer league that has primary commentary in English" to "the Premier League is the most elite soccer league that has primary commentary in English on channels known to casual fans."

Okay, so you've taken the category and made this about MLS, the Premier League, and Liga MX to a certain (limited) extent.

The soccer world would be a much simpler place if we simply ignored that 90% of it exists...

The argument never changed. I, nor many others, consider GolTV nor BeIN to be primary networks nor primary commentary. I probably could have worded it better, but the point still stands. The main reason the EPL is the most popular international league in the US, and will likely remain so, is because of its English speaking background and its deliverance with primary commentary provided by established, well known networks and news services both in the UK and domestically that are readily and conveniently available not only to serious fans, but also casual and potential fans, who are more important than serious fans for the eventual growth of the sport domestically.

Bundesliga & La Liga are relegated to the upper echelons of cable packages on unknown channels that are either just starting up (BeIN) or simply sustaining for the past decade (GolTV). Their presence in the US may improve in the future if Al Jazeera/ Turner owned BeIN proves to be successful and becomes more available on more cable companies and plans, but right now they are practically invisible to the group of people that will decide soccer's future in America, the casual and potential fans.
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For a Marshall fan you sure do worry about tv and media markets a lot
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RE: OT: The New New Soccer Thread
(05-23-2013 03:13 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 12:15 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 11:28 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 10:54 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  I'm pretty sure every American soccer fan knows about BeIN seeing as they have all major leagues/competitions outside of Bundesliga, Champs League, Euro League, and FA Cup.

Maybe every serious fan, but I'm talking about the casual fan. The casual fan probably doesn't know they exist and even if they did, they aren't likely to shell out for the upper tier package necessary to get those channels.

So you have changed your argument that the Premier League is the "the most elite soccer league that has primary commentary in English" to "the Premier League is the most elite soccer league that has primary commentary in English on channels known to casual fans."

Okay, so you've taken the category and made this about MLS, the Premier League, and Liga MX to a certain (limited) extent.

The soccer world would be a much simpler place if we simply ignored that 90% of it exists...

The argument never changed. I, nor many others, consider GolTV nor BeIN to be primary networks nor primary commentary. I probably could have worded it better, but the point still stands. The main reason the EPL is the most popular international league in the US, and will likely remain so, is because of its English speaking background and its deliverance with primary commentary provided by established, well known networks and news services both in the UK and domestically that are readily and conveniently available not only to serious fans, but also casual and potential fans, who are more important than serious fans for the eventual growth of the sport domestically.

Bundesliga & La Liga are relegated to the upper echelons of cable packages on unknown channels that are either just starting up (BeIN) or simply sustaining for the past decade (GolTV). Their presence in the US may improve in the future if Al Jazeera/ Turner owned BeIN proves to be successful and becomes more available on more cable companies and plans, but right now they are practically invisible to the group of people that will decide soccer's future in America, the casual and potential fans.

I knew what you meant from the start. You didn't say you couldn't find a broadcast of German or Spanish leagues in English, you just wrote that it wasn't the primary language.
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(05-23-2013 03:13 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 12:15 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 11:28 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  
(05-23-2013 10:54 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  I'm pretty sure every American soccer fan knows about BeIN seeing as they have all major leagues/competitions outside of Bundesliga, Champs League, Euro League, and FA Cup.

Maybe every serious fan, but I'm talking about the casual fan. The casual fan probably doesn't know they exist and even if they did, they aren't likely to shell out for the upper tier package necessary to get those channels.

So you have changed your argument that the Premier League is the "the most elite soccer league that has primary commentary in English" to "the Premier League is the most elite soccer league that has primary commentary in English on channels known to casual fans."

Okay, so you've taken the category and made this about MLS, the Premier League, and Liga MX to a certain (limited) extent.

The soccer world would be a much simpler place if we simply ignored that 90% of it exists...

The argument never changed. I, nor many others, consider GolTV nor BeIN to be primary networks nor primary commentary. I probably could have worded it better, but the point still stands. The main reason the EPL is the most popular international league in the US, and will likely remain so, is because of its English speaking background and its deliverance with primary commentary provided by established, well known networks and news services both in the UK and domestically that are readily and conveniently available not only to serious fans, but also casual and potential fans, who are more important than serious fans for the eventual growth of the sport domestically.

Bundesliga & La Liga are relegated to the upper echelons of cable packages on unknown channels that are either just starting up (BeIN) or simply sustaining for the past decade (GolTV). Their presence in the US may improve in the future if Al Jazeera/ Turner owned BeIN proves to be successful and becomes more available on more cable companies and plans, but right now they are practically invisible to the group of people that will decide soccer's future in America, the casual and potential fans.

Ah, I understand your point better now. 04-cheers

FWIW, Bundesliga is the most entertaining soccer league in the world.
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RE: OT: The New New Soccer Thread
Here is a solution to all issues:

Move Chivas to San Antonio (dissolve the NASL team there), give Nashville and St. Louis a team, and then start a proper second tier of teams so we can have promotion/regulation.

The second tier could potentially look like (Excluding SA Scorpions) in it's first season then do the typical 3 up/3 down format with each having 20 teams:

(MLS demoted team #1 - currently DC United)
(MLS demoted team #2 - currently Chicago Fire)
Atlanta Silverbacks
Carolina RailHawks
Charleston Battery (Drop Battery for FC)
Dayton Dutch Lions (Rename)
Harrisburg City Islanders (Drop Islanders for a more euro name)
FC Edmonton
Fort Lauderdale Strikers (Rename Miami Fusion or Miami FC)
Indy Eleven (CHANGE THE DAMN NAME!!!)
Los Angeles Blues (Could do well with a name change in this format)
Minnesota United
New York Cosmos
Orlando City (Merge Tampa Bay Rowdies and VSI Tampa Bay in)
Ottawa Fury
Pittsburgh Riverhounds (Possibly drop Riverhounds for a more euro name, not sure if there is history in the name)
Phoenix FC
Richmond Kickers (Drop Kickers for a more euro name)
Rochester Rhinos (Drop Rhinos for a more euro name)
Virginia Cavalry
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(05-24-2013 12:23 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Here is a solution to all issues:

Move Chivas to San Antonio (dissolve the NASL team there), give Nashville and St. Louis a team, and then start a proper second tier of teams so we can have promotion/regulation.

The second tier could potentially look like (Excluding SA Scorpions) in it's first season then do the typical 3 up/3 down format with each having 20 teams:

(MLS demoted team #1 - currently DC United)
(MLS demoted team #2 - currently Chicago Fire)
Atlanta Silverbacks
Carolina RailHawks
Charleston Battery (Drop Battery for FC)
Dayton Dutch Lions (Rename)
Harrisburg City Islanders (Drop Islanders for a more euro name)
FC Edmonton
Fort Lauderdale Strikers (Rename Miami Fusion or Miami FC)
Indy Eleven (CHANGE THE DAMN NAME!!!)
Los Angeles Blues (Could do well with a name change in this format)
Minnesota United
New York Cosmos
Orlando City (Merge Tampa Bay Rowdies and VSI Tampa Bay in)
Ottawa Fury
Pittsburgh Riverhounds (Possibly drop Riverhounds for a more euro name, not sure if there is history in the name)
Phoenix FC
Richmond Kickers (Drop Kickers for a more euro name)
Rochester Rhinos (Drop Rhinos for a more euro name)
Virginia Cavalry

that makes too much sense to ever happen. 03-banghead
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RE: OT: The New New Soccer Thread
Vaguely interesting article about American v British sports terminology.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22633980

Have to admit, I have *never* heard several of the alleged americanisms...
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RE: OT: The New New Soccer Thread
(05-24-2013 12:23 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Here is a solution to all issues:

Move Chivas to San Antonio (dissolve the NASL team there), give Nashville and St. Louis a team, and then start a proper second tier of teams so we can have promotion/regulation.

The second tier could potentially look like (Excluding SA Scorpions) in it's first season then do the typical 3 up/3 down format with each having 20 teams:

(MLS demoted team #1 - currently DC United)
(MLS demoted team #2 - currently Chicago Fire)
Atlanta Silverbacks
Carolina RailHawks
Charleston Battery (Drop Battery for FC)
Dayton Dutch Lions (Rename)
Harrisburg City Islanders (Drop Islanders for a more euro name)
FC Edmonton
Fort Lauderdale Strikers (Rename Miami Fusion or Miami FC)
Indy Eleven (CHANGE THE DAMN NAME!!!)
Los Angeles Blues (Could do well with a name change in this format)
Minnesota United
New York Cosmos
Orlando City (Merge Tampa Bay Rowdies and VSI Tampa Bay in)
Ottawa Fury
Pittsburgh Riverhounds (Possibly drop Riverhounds for a more euro name, not sure if there is history in the name)
Phoenix FC
Richmond Kickers (Drop Kickers for a more euro name)
Rochester Rhinos (Drop Rhinos for a more euro name)
Virginia Cavalry

Really like this idea on the whole, although one team to relegate/promote per season is enough. I'm not sure the governments that built stadiums for MLS teams will be happy with the idea of relegation.

There absolutely needs to be a pro team in the Detroit area, preferably in the city. It's the largest metro region with no pro club, and we manage to pull 2000+ regularly to a high school stadium to watch an NPSL team (Detroit City FC).
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RE: OT: The New New Soccer Thread
relegation in american sports would be awesome...
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Chattanooga(NPSL) also draws very well. Its team is supported very well by the locals. I would love to see some sort of relegation system started in the States. I think the easiest way to start out would be to make NASL/NPSL a tier 2 and tier 3 league. Split the team's 50/50 and then play out the season. Have promotion and relegation start between NASL and NPSL, because there isn't a tremendous amount of money to be gained or lost by anybody here. Move forward from there however you have to.(I'm not sure if you pull teams into the MLS via expansion, try to relegate & promote with the MLS, take over the MLS, etc. but something would need to be done moving forward)

The big issue is the MLS has a playoff system. To truly have relegation and promotion work, you would need to go to a European set-up playing every team home and away. The good news is soccer is much better in the US than it was 10 years ago. The bad news is there is still a long way to go.
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(05-28-2013 12:29 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Vaguely interesting article about American v British sports terminology.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22633980

Have to admit, I have *never* heard several of the alleged americanisms...

never heard the term wheelhouse. In Mexico they call boots/cleats... tacos. I gotta say, most of those terms seem northeastern... Surprised they didn't have foul throw on that list, I always thought that one was dumb
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when is the lottery for the tickets for 2014?
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