(05-09-2013 03:15 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1182411

Alabama 86 DI
North Carolina 79

Sure there are more up to date numbers but this is the first one I found.

Alabama is more of a football state. I bet basketball is MUCH more lopsided.

Why water it down for the FBS schools in Alabama even more?

(05-09-2013 02:59 PM)panama Wrote:  So we are still a conference that es 75% of members to vote yes for a new member right? Where is Liberty to buy 10 yes votes? Exactly.

Sex Lies and Videotapes?

(05-09-2013 02:58 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 11:07 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 10:59 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Total BS to wait on Mo st. If they want to accept now for 2015, then that is fine, but telling us to wait and revisit is a terrible move for the SBC. Offer mo St for 2015. If they decline the. Invite Liberty.

What Mo St is doing is like a woman saying she is thinking about breaking up with her boyfriend but isn't sure. She tells you to call her back in a year and in the meantime I don't want you to date anyone else while you wait on me.

Sun Belt holds the cards and needs to call the shots. Mo St is terrible in football anyway.

This. We need a commitment. MO St needs to let us know one way or another. If they balk and JMU balks then ....ugh...idk, force UTA to start up football would be my preference but I suppose Liberty gets the nod. They want it badly, that says something I suppose.

I don't want to hear any more about the academic prowess of the Georgia schools.

How hard is it to understand that if Missouri State declares now they will be unable to meet FBS criteria in 2014 because of their planned stadium renovation?

Why don't you Georgia boys quit throwing that line of bull and simply admit the truth you don't want any more schools on the western side of the league because this argument you are making is bogus.

How about no. Why are you talking about the academic prowess of the Georgia schools? Suddenly you get to decide who is allowed an opinion? Sorry you don't like the opinions of those of us from Georgia, but as far as I'm concerned, and the rest of the conference, after having been invited up as full members our concerns are just as valid as anyone else's. What is your problem?

I want Missouri Stateand wecan wait. There is no hurry. Liberty cannot get the votes. They are the "Oh HELL no" candidate. If somehow they did get in (which they cant)..can you say Southern Airport Meeting....3...2...1...

(05-09-2013 11:04 AM)hapapp Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 10:58 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Looks like Eastern Kentucky had an 8-3 Football record last year, and have a 20,000 seat stadium.

They have a $12m budget supported by an 80% subsidy. Not a disqualifier but they don't appear to have a lot of financial support otherwise.

That 80% subsidy would be of more concern than the budget. Not a lot of room for necessary expenses it seems.

I honestly wonder what Benson's deal is with getting to 12 for 2014. Why is he all in on that?

Because clearly the only team ready/willing to make a move for 2014 is Liberty. Only problem is, no one wants them. Yet Benson keeps pushing for them.

My stance is simple: If you don't "need" a championship game to get eligible for the eventual playoffs... stand pat, and work towards finding NMSU & Idaho a new home. That would put us at 9 members, 8 conference games for each team. Be done with it.

If you NEED a championship game, wait for Missouri State, or JMU to complete the feasibility study. If both turn down the offer, then you re-assess.

But Liberty will cost universities money by including them. Too many donors don't like the university and what they stand for.

(05-09-2013 03:39 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I honestly wonder what Benson's deal is with getting to 12 for 2014. Why is he all in on that?

Because clearly the only team ready/willing to make a move for 2014 is Liberty. Only problem is, no one wants them. Yet Benson keeps pushing for them.

My stance is simple: If you don't "need" a championship game to get eligible for the eventual playoffs... stand pat, and work towards finding NMSU & Idaho a new home. That would put us at 9 members, 8 conference games for each team. Be done with it.

If you NEED a championship game, wait for Missouri State, or JMU to complete the feasibility study. If both turn down the offer, then you re-assess.

But Liberty will cost universities money by including them. Too many donors don't like the university and what they stand for.

Again, proof of that? The odd Booster Club member here and there won't add up to a hill of beans in the long run. This has never happened in the past with schools associated with Liberty. Have there been mass statements by big dollar donors threatening to with hold funds if LU is included.

I am glad that this is being decided by Mr. Benson and some College Presidents and not some folks on here.

The reality is that Liberty brings a lot to the table in ATHLETICS. The reality is that Liberty is the only school that is ready now. Decision in 48 hours, Fully funded, Title 9 ready, Money not an issue, FBS Facilities. National TV network, etc. The reality is that the NCAA has given conferences with 12 football schools a $ Incentive. The reality is that Liberty will (in time) help a conference in stability and growth, The reality is that Liberty will (in time) be competitive in an FBS conference. The reality is that the presidents are smart enough to listen to Mr. Benson when he tells them the advantages of going to 12 with Liberty Now. The Reality is that Liberty is THE ONLY SCHOOL that wants the SBC NOW!

The wildcard is why are some schools blocking Liberty? How can a school with so much upside be blocked from the SBC? Yea, Yea..I've heard all the religious / political reasons on this board. Man would I love to hear the reason from these presidents.

We shall find our very very soon.

For the record, I came back after someone else (and insider) started a thread saying Benson was pushing for LU. Fairly significant news.

(05-09-2013 03:39 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I honestly wonder what Benson's deal is with getting to 12 for 2014. Why is he all in on that?

Because clearly the only team ready/willing to make a move for 2014 is Liberty. Only problem is, no one wants them. Yet Benson keeps pushing for them.

My stance is simple: If you don't "need" a championship game to get eligible for the eventual playoffs... stand pat, and work towards finding NMSU & Idaho a new home. That would put us at 9 members, 8 conference games for each team. Be done with it.

If you NEED a championship game, wait for Missouri State, or JMU to complete the feasibility study. If both turn down the offer, then you re-assess.

But Liberty will cost universities money by including them. Too many donors don't like the university and what they stand for.

Could really be a problem if that happened.

(05-09-2013 03:47 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:39 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I honestly wonder what Benson's deal is with getting to 12 for 2014. Why is he all in on that?

Because clearly the only team ready/willing to make a move for 2014 is Liberty. Only problem is, no one wants them. Yet Benson keeps pushing for them.

My stance is simple: If you don't "need" a championship game to get eligible for the eventual playoffs... stand pat, and work towards finding NMSU & Idaho a new home. That would put us at 9 members, 8 conference games for each team. Be done with it.

If you NEED a championship game, wait for Missouri State, or JMU to complete the feasibility study. If both turn down the offer, then you re-assess.

But Liberty will cost universities money by including them. Too many donors don't like the university and what they stand for.

Could really be a problem if that happened.

Which it won't so its not

(05-09-2013 03:46 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  I am glad that this is being decided by Mr. Benson and some College Presidents and not some folks on here.

The reality is that Liberty brings a lot to the table in ATHLETICS. The reality is that Liberty is the only school that is ready now. Decision in 48 hours, Fully funded, Title 9 ready, Money not an issue, FBS Facilities. National TV network, etc. The reality is that the NCAA has given conferences with 12 football schools a $ Incentive. The reality is that Liberty will (in time) help a conference in stability and growth, The reality is that Liberty will (in time) be competitive in an FBS conference. The reality is that the presidents are smart enough to listen to Mr. Benson when he tells them the advantages of going to 12 with Liberty Now. The Reality is that Liberty is THE ONLY SCHOOL that wants the SBC NOW!

The wildcard is why are some schools blocking Liberty? How can a school with so much upside be blocked from the SBC? Yea, Yea..I've heard all the religious / political reasons on this board. Man would I love to hear the reason from these presidents.

We shall find our very very soon.

For the record, I came back after someone else (and insider) started a thread saying Benson was pushing for LU. Fairly significant news.

Benson has been doing that. Nothing new really. That's why some are questioning his retirement soon or other things.

(05-09-2013 03:42 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:39 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I honestly wonder what Benson's deal is with getting to 12 for 2014. Why is he all in on that?

Because clearly the only team ready/willing to make a move for 2014 is Liberty. Only problem is, no one wants them. Yet Benson keeps pushing for them.

My stance is simple: If you don't "need" a championship game to get eligible for the eventual playoffs... stand pat, and work towards finding NMSU & Idaho a new home. That would put us at 9 members, 8 conference games for each team. Be done with it.

If you NEED a championship game, wait for Missouri State, or JMU to complete the feasibility study. If both turn down the offer, then you re-assess.

But Liberty will cost universities money by including them. Too many donors don't like the university and what they stand for.

Again, proof of that? The odd Booster Club member here and there won't add up to a hill of beans in the long run. This has never happened in the past with schools associated with Liberty. Have there been mass statements by big dollar donors threatening to with hold funds if LU is included.

Again, proof is you dont have 10 votes or we wouldnt be having this conversation.

(05-09-2013 03:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:42 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:39 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I honestly wonder what Benson's deal is with getting to 12 for 2014. Why is he all in on that?

Because clearly the only team ready/willing to make a move for 2014 is Liberty. Only problem is, no one wants them. Yet Benson keeps pushing for them.

My stance is simple: If you don't "need" a championship game to get eligible for the eventual playoffs... stand pat, and work towards finding NMSU & Idaho a new home. That would put us at 9 members, 8 conference games for each team. Be done with it.

If you NEED a championship game, wait for Missouri State, or JMU to complete the feasibility study. If both turn down the offer, then you re-assess.

But Liberty will cost universities money by including them. Too many donors don't like the university and what they stand for.

Again, proof of that? The odd Booster Club member here and there won't add up to a hill of beans in the long run. This has never happened in the past with schools associated with Liberty. Have there been mass statements by big dollar donors threatening to with hold funds if LU is included.

Again, proof is you dont have 10 votes or we wouldnt be having this conversation.

You may be right. I doubt it. If you are, I'd love for a president to speak out and say that.

(05-09-2013 03:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:42 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:39 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I honestly wonder what Benson's deal is with getting to 12 for 2014. Why is he all in on that?

Because clearly the only team ready/willing to make a move for 2014 is Liberty. Only problem is, no one wants them. Yet Benson keeps pushing for them.

My stance is simple: If you don't "need" a championship game to get eligible for the eventual playoffs... stand pat, and work towards finding NMSU & Idaho a new home. That would put us at 9 members, 8 conference games for each team. Be done with it.

If you NEED a championship game, wait for Missouri State, or JMU to complete the feasibility study. If both turn down the offer, then you re-assess.

But Liberty will cost universities money by including them. Too many donors don't like the university and what they stand for.

Again, proof of that? The odd Booster Club member here and there won't add up to a hill of beans in the long run. This has never happened in the past with schools associated with Liberty. Have there been mass statements by big dollar donors threatening to with hold funds if LU is included.

Again, proof is you dont have 10 votes or we wouldnt be having this conversation.

One doesn't have to do with the other. Unless the Presidents who are voting against have all publicly stated that they will lose tons of funding if they vote for LU

Then why pray tell are you not...IN

(05-09-2013 03:55 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:42 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:39 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I honestly wonder what Benson's deal is with getting to 12 for 2014. Why is he all in on that?

Because clearly the only team ready/willing to make a move for 2014 is Liberty. Only problem is, no one wants them. Yet Benson keeps pushing for them.

My stance is simple: If you don't "need" a championship game to get eligible for the eventual playoffs... stand pat, and work towards finding NMSU & Idaho a new home. That would put us at 9 members, 8 conference games for each team. Be done with it.

If you NEED a championship game, wait for Missouri State, or JMU to complete the feasibility study. If both turn down the offer, then you re-assess.

But Liberty will cost universities money by including them. Too many donors don't like the university and what they stand for.

Again, proof of that? The odd Booster Club member here and there won't add up to a hill of beans in the long run. This has never happened in the past with schools associated with Liberty. Have there been mass statements by big dollar donors threatening to with hold funds if LU is included.

Again, proof is you dont have 10 votes or we wouldnt be having this conversation.

You may be right. I doubt it. If you are, I'd love for a president to speak out and say that.

Would that make it better?

(05-09-2013 04:08 PM)panama Wrote:  Then why pray tell are you not...IN

I'm not in because I'm not a University looking to move to a FBS

I don't know why LU is not in, I'm sure there are several reasons. I'm going off of historical precedent about the fallacy of lost finances due to being in a Conference affiliation with LU

(05-09-2013 03:42 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  Again, proof of that? The odd Booster Club member here and there won't add up to a hill of beans in the long run. This has never happened in the past with schools associated with Liberty. Have there been mass statements by big dollar donors threatening to with hold funds if LU is included.

Your school has never been associated with FBS schools. And I can guarantee you that the loss is more than a hill of beans.

But of course you'll refuse to acknowledge that it happens. Because like every other Liberty can that has been on here, you cannot accept reality: you are an unwanted blight to an FBS conference that wishes to improve its image.

Athletically, you are average at best, you don't bring a market, and only cost universities donors and cause negative publicity. Yeah, sounds like an add everyone should be jumping at.

There have been many schools that have wanted very badly to be in many conferences.
That is nothing new.

Always! Go Flames! It doesn't matter what conference we are in. We will continue to do things with excellence, compete like champions on the field of play, and represent the body of Christ in our lives.