(05-02-2013 09:58 AM)KennesawEagle Wrote: The one point that the Falcons are really missing is the fact that it's not the stadium that was keeping people away. It's the area of town.
The Ga Dome is not a bad venue. Especially since they renovated it. It's what's outside of the stadium that turn people away.
My wife went to one game with me there, and she said she didn't feel safe. Therefore she will never go back. I can promise you that she's not the only one. And with that said, you can build a new stadium every year, but if you keep it in that area of town, you are never going to get the crowd size you want.
Here's a completely valid question. I'm not asking to be a smart butt. I'm genuinely curious. Would your wife feel the same way about Turner Field and going to a Braves game?
My wife does not drive in Atlanta. I will drive to Turner Field but for the Dome or Grant Field I will use MARTA. My wifes problem is not the Dome but MARTA.
I remember years back (early college), going to a Braves game when Turner Field was relatively new, and leaving the game my friend clipped a curb awkwardly and blew a tire and we pulled into a really sketchy gas station but had no way of fixing the tire. There were 2 police cars in the lot and my friend walked over there to ask them if they had anything we could use to change the tire (for some reason his tools weren't in the trunk). The officer turns and looks at him and says "Do I look like F****** superman?" and then just goes back to talking to his buddy.
Thank you ATL, thank you. In all fairness I lived in Marietta for a while and knew better than to ask atlanta police for help.
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(05-02-2013 10:09 AM)troy4ever Wrote: I personally have never had a problem with the area right around the Georgia Dome and I've been in that area MANY times. Yes, there are some bad neighborhoods not too terribly far from the dome, but I've never once had an issue with it being a bad area.
Its funny but there are sketchier neighborhoods just west of GT
I may be making this up, but i'm sure I read it somewhere. Somebody asked why they were building a new dome. Didn't the NFL pass some regulation in the last few years that you had to have a certain number of seats in your stadium to host a superbowl? I'm pretty sure that is one of the primary reasons for building a new stadium, that and the dome is getting pretty old.
(05-02-2013 09:58 AM)KennesawEagle Wrote: The one point that the Falcons are really missing is the fact that it's not the stadium that was keeping people away. It's the area of town.
The Ga Dome is not a bad venue. Especially since they renovated it. It's what's outside of the stadium that turn people away.
My wife went to one game with me there, and she said she didn't feel safe. Therefore she will never go back. I can promise you that she's not the only one. And with that said, you can build a new stadium every year, but if you keep it in that area of town, you are never going to get the crowd size you want.
Really??? Really??? REALLY!?!?! There is nothing around it for locks and blocks to the south and west.. Centennial Olympic Park to the north and Phillips to the east. There is really nothing over there. And as far as I know the Falcons have been selling out lately.
Panama, I'm not getting into this with you. Just about any time someone says anything that could be remotely viewed as negative about downtown Atlanta you get bent out of shape as though they were talking about your actual home.
I mention something that actually happened, and gave my opinion, and you come back at me as though I'm some kind of bumpkin that's never been to the city. As someone who is downtown working anywhere from the Boulevard/Memorial Dr/Dekalb Ave area, to Collier Rd/Chattahoochee Ave area multiple times a week, I can assure you that I am we'll aware what's around the Dome.
(05-02-2013 10:09 AM)troy4ever Wrote: I personally have never had a problem with the area right around the Georgia Dome and I've been in that area MANY times. Yes, there are some bad neighborhoods not too terribly far from the dome, but I've never once had an issue with it being a bad area.
Its funny but there are sketchier neighborhoods just west of GT
Now THAT is true! I stay out of that area.
Back whenwe were house hunting in 2005 for a while we thought of finding a lot and building. There were a whole bunch in 30318. We drove out there one Saturday and I was like ...oookay...ummm....no. Keep in mind that we were renting in SE Atlanta/Grant Park for years. One thing is a bum Downtown or a couple of wannabee tough 14 year olds in Decatur. Quite another is the dudes in Bankhead sitting on the stoop with the gun tucked in their pants waist band. But then again I have seen those same neighborhoods and dudes in Macon and Savannah.
(05-02-2013 10:09 AM)troy4ever Wrote: I personally have never had a problem with the area right around the Georgia Dome and I've been in that area MANY times. Yes, there are some bad neighborhoods not too terribly far from the dome, but I've never once had an issue with it being a bad area.
Its funny but there are sketchier neighborhoods just west of GT
Now THAT is true! I stay out of that area.
The Bluff, as it is called. If you need a good laugh, there's actually a little "documentary - hand held camera style" parody of the area on Neflix called "Snow on the Bluff".
(05-02-2013 09:58 AM)KennesawEagle Wrote: The one point that the Falcons are really missing is the fact that it's not the stadium that was keeping people away. It's the area of town.
The Ga Dome is not a bad venue. Especially since they renovated it. It's what's outside of the stadium that turn people away.
My wife went to one game with me there, and she said she didn't feel safe. Therefore she will never go back. I can promise you that she's not the only one. And with that said, you can build a new stadium every year, but if you keep it in that area of town, you are never going to get the crowd size you want.
Really??? Really??? REALLY!?!?! There is nothing around it for locks and blocks to the south and west.. Centennial Olympic Park to the north and Phillips to the east. There is really nothing over there. And as far as I know the Falcons have been selling out lately.
Panama, I'm not getting into this with you. Just about any time someone says anything that could be remotely viewed as negative about downtown Atlanta you get bent out of shape as though they were talking about your actual home.
I mention something that actually happened, and gave my opinion, and you come back at me as though I'm some kind of bumpkin that's never been to the city. As someone who is downtown working anywhere from the Boulevard/Memorial Dr/Dekalb Ave area, to Collier Rd/Chattahoochee Ave area multiple times a week, I can assure you that I am we'll aware what's around the Dome.
LOL. I am not bent out of shape. Just surprised as I wouldnt describe the Georgia Dome area as one of the scariest areas in Atlanta. And no its not my actual home but pretty close.
I can definitely see if someone for instance got off MARTA at say Five Points on the Forsyth Street side, definitely not on my tourists must see list.
(05-02-2013 10:09 AM)troy4ever Wrote: I personally have never had a problem with the area right around the Georgia Dome and I've been in that area MANY times. Yes, there are some bad neighborhoods not too terribly far from the dome, but I've never once had an issue with it being a bad area.
Its funny but there are sketchier neighborhoods just west of GT
Now THAT is true! I stay out of that area.
Back whenwe were house hunting in 2005 for a while we thought of finding a lot and building. There were a whole bunch in 30318. We drove out there one Saturday and I was like ...oookay...ummm....no. Keep in mind that we were renting in SE Atlanta/Grant Park for years. One thing is a bum Downtown or a couple of wannabee tough 14 year olds in Decatur. Quite another is the dudes in Bankhead sitting on the stoop with the gun tucked in their pants waist band. But then again I have seen those same neighborhoods and dudes in Macon and Savannah.
There are plenty of places in Savannah I would not want my car to break down, or be near after dark. The last thing I would want is to leave a 6pm kickoff and walk through those places to get to my car.
Luckily we will be bringing enough eagle fans that we can travel in packs and be safe.
(05-02-2013 09:58 AM)KennesawEagle Wrote: The one point that the Falcons are really missing is the fact that it's not the stadium that was keeping people away. It's the area of town.
The Ga Dome is not a bad venue. Especially since they renovated it. It's what's outside of the stadium that turn people away.
My wife went to one game with me there, and she said she didn't feel safe. Therefore she will never go back. I can promise you that she's not the only one. And with that said, you can build a new stadium every year, but if you keep it in that area of town, you are never going to get the crowd size you want.
Really??? Really??? REALLY!?!?! There is nothing around it for locks and blocks to the south and west.. Centennial Olympic Park to the north and Phillips to the east. There is really nothing over there. And as far as I know the Falcons have been selling out lately.
Panama, I'm not getting into this with you. Just about any time someone says anything that could be remotely viewed as negative about downtown Atlanta you get bent out of shape as though they were talking about your actual home.
I mention something that actually happened, and gave my opinion, and you come back at me as though I'm some kind of bumpkin that's never been to the city. As someone who is downtown working anywhere from the Boulevard/Memorial Dr/Dekalb Ave area, to Collier Rd/Chattahoochee Ave area multiple times a week, I can assure you that I am we'll aware what's around the Dome.
LOL. I am not bent out of shape. Just surprised as I wouldnt describe the Georgia Dome area as one of the scariest areas in Atlanta. And no its not my actual home but pretty close.
I can definitely see if someone for instance got off MARTA at say Five Points on the Forsyth Street side, definitely not on my tourists must see list.
You're right that it's not the worst area in Atlanta (or even Macon, Columbus, or Augusta). But I still say that they could have moved it to an area that would have been "better" (for lack of a better word).
I guess I'm looking at it the way my wife was explaining it. And the element that kept coming up and harassing us multiple times before and after the game just really took away from the experience. And a couple of times got kind of heated.
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There are plenty of places in Savannah I would not want my car to break down, or be near after dark. The last thing I would want is to leave a 6pm kickoff and walk through those places to get to my car.
Luckily we will be bringing enough eagle fans that we can travel in packs and be safe.
And will "The Black Flag" reasure Panama that he & his Eagle friends will not try and steal his adult beverages at the dome. Dont trust him Panama
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(05-02-2013 10:24 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote: I may be making this up, but i'm sure I read it somewhere. Somebody asked why they were building a new dome. Didn't the NFL pass some regulation in the last few years that you had to have a certain number of seats in your stadium to host a superbowl? I'm pretty sure that is one of the primary reasons for building a new stadium, that and the dome is getting pretty old.
Blank was pushing for a new stadium. Of course the NFL wants to keep all their facilities for their sports as the best possible bc it's good for the nfl. So the NFL commissioner threw his support behind blank by saying Atlanta wouldn't be able to host another Super Bowl without a new stadium in an effort to drum up support for the stadium. I think that's what it really amounts to.
(05-02-2013 09:58 AM)KennesawEagle Wrote: The one point that the Falcons are really missing is the fact that it's not the stadium that was keeping people away. It's the area of town.
The Ga Dome is not a bad venue. Especially since they renovated it. It's what's outside of the stadium that turn people away.
My wife went to one game with me there, and she said she didn't feel safe. Therefore she will never go back. I can promise you that she's not the only one. And with that said, you can build a new stadium every year, but if you keep it in that area of town, you are never going to get the crowd size you want.
Really??? Really??? REALLY!?!?! There is nothing around it for locks and blocks to the south and west.. Centennial Olympic Park to the north and Phillips to the east. There is really nothing over there. And as far as I know the Falcons have been selling out lately.
Panama, I'm not getting into this with you. Just about any time someone says anything that could be remotely viewed as negative about downtown Atlanta you get bent out of shape as though they were talking about your actual home.
I mention something that actually happened, and gave my opinion, and you come back at me as though I'm some kind of bumpkin that's never been to the city. As someone who is downtown working anywhere from the Boulevard/Memorial Dr/Dekalb Ave area, to Collier Rd/Chattahoochee Ave area multiple times a week, I can assure you that I am we'll aware what's around the Dome.
The problem with that is perception is not reality. Just because she didn't feel safe, doesn't mean the area is unsafe.
Me, my wife and two kids live in downtown Dallas. Every so often I hear people say something about it being unsafe. They are surprised when they hear my wife would walk the dogs after dark by herself at night. Their perception doesn't match reality.
Also, no matter where they put it, it will feel unsafe to people. The only thing that instinctually feels safe is eyes on the street. As long as there are acres of parking around any stadium, the place will feel empty, and therefore unsafe.
(05-02-2013 09:58 AM)KennesawEagle Wrote: The one point that the Falcons are really missing is the fact that it's not the stadium that was keeping people away. It's the area of town.
The Falcons don't have an attendance problem. They aren't building a new stadium because they think more people will come. They are building one because the city will help pay for it and they can own the building instead of the GWC.... meaning they'll make more money.
(05-02-2013 09:58 AM)KennesawEagle Wrote: The one point that the Falcons are really missing is the fact that it's not the stadium that was keeping people away. It's the area of town.
The Ga Dome is not a bad venue. Especially since they renovated it. It's what's outside of the stadium that turn people away.
My wife went to one game with me there, and she said she didn't feel safe. Therefore she will never go back. I can promise you that she's not the only one. And with that said, you can build a new stadium every year, but if you keep it in that area of town, you are never going to get the crowd size you want.
Really??? Really??? REALLY!?!?! There is nothing around it for locks and blocks to the south and west.. Centennial Olympic Park to the north and Phillips to the east. There is really nothing over there. And as far as I know the Falcons have been selling out lately.
Panama, I'm not getting into this with you. Just about any time someone says anything that could be remotely viewed as negative about downtown Atlanta you get bent out of shape as though they were talking about your actual home.
I mention something that actually happened, and gave my opinion, and you come back at me as though I'm some kind of bumpkin that's never been to the city. As someone who is downtown working anywhere from the Boulevard/Memorial Dr/Dekalb Ave area, to Collier Rd/Chattahoochee Ave area multiple times a week, I can assure you that I am we'll aware what's around the Dome.
LOL. I am not bent out of shape. Just surprised as I wouldnt describe the Georgia Dome area as one of the scariest areas in Atlanta. And no its not my actual home but pretty close.
I can definitely see if someone for instance got off MARTA at say Five Points on the Forsyth Street side, definitely not on my tourists must see list.
You're right that it's not the worst area in Atlanta (or even Macon, Columbus, or Augusta). But I still say that they could have moved it to an area that would have been "better" (for lack of a better word).
I guess I'm looking at it the way my wife was explaining it. And the element that kept coming up and harassing us multiple times before and after the game just really took away from the experience. And a couple of times got kind of heated.
The falcons did consider building the stadium out on the northeast side in Gwinett. Clayton county also threw their name in the hat due to space the have by the airport. But building in Clayton county is suicide.
(05-02-2013 10:24 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote: I may be making this up, but i'm sure I read it somewhere. Somebody asked why they were building a new dome. Didn't the NFL pass some regulation in the last few years that you had to have a certain number of seats in your stadium to host a superbowl? I'm pretty sure that is one of the primary reasons for building a new stadium, that and the dome is getting pretty old.
Blank was pushing for a new stadium. Of course the NFL wants to keep all their facilities for their sports as the best possible bc it's good for the nfl. So the NFL commissioner threw his support behind blank by saying Atlanta wouldn't be able to host another Super Bowl without a new stadium in an effort to drum up support for the stadium. I think that's what it really amounts to.
Spot on. I had to laugh at some former media friends who said Cowboys Stadium must be a good idea because the NFL supports it. I asked if they had ever heard of an instance where the NFL said no, keep the older stadium. Of course they never had.
(05-02-2013 10:24 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote: I may be making this up, but i'm sure I read it somewhere. Somebody asked why they were building a new dome. Didn't the NFL pass some regulation in the last few years that you had to have a certain number of seats in your stadium to host a superbowl? I'm pretty sure that is one of the primary reasons for building a new stadium, that and the dome is getting pretty old.
Blank was pushing for a new stadium. Of course the NFL wants to keep all their facilities for their sports as the best possible bc it's good for the nfl. So the NFL commissioner threw his support behind blank by saying Atlanta wouldn't be able to host another Super Bowl without a new stadium in an effort to drum up support for the stadium. I think that's what it really amounts to.
Spot on. I had to laugh at some former media friends who said Cowboys Stadium must be a good idea because the NFL supports it. I asked if they had ever heard of an instance where the NFL said no, keep the older stadium. Of course they never had.
Add to that that all of these stadiums get financed BY the NFL. Graft begetting graft.
(05-02-2013 09:58 AM)KennesawEagle Wrote: The one point that the Falcons are really missing is the fact that it's not the stadium that was keeping people away. It's the area of town.
The Ga Dome is not a bad venue. Especially since they renovated it. It's what's outside of the stadium that turn people away.
My wife went to one game with me there, and she said she didn't feel safe. Therefore she will never go back. I can promise you that she's not the only one. And with that said, you can build a new stadium every year, but if you keep it in that area of town, you are never going to get the crowd size you want.
Here's a completely valid question. I'm not asking to be a smart butt. I'm genuinely curious. Would your wife feel the same way about Turner Field and going to a Braves game?
The thing about Turner field is that nobody approaches it from the south. Coming in from the north, all you see are parking lots. On the other hand, Going to the Dome, you either walk over the gulch and the under-bridge dwellers of the gulch, you park in the gulch, or you approach along Northside drive (the straight road to the left of the Dome in the last picture panama's posted above) which is known by people who live in the city as a bit of a line of demarcation between the relative safety of downtown and the less-patrolled/controlled areas west of the city center.
I feel safe doing either, but I used to walk the length of downtown from GSU to Peachtree Center, every night after class - I can easily see how some suburbanites would not be comfortable.
Hopefully, the New Dome and related urban renewal, along with the proposed greenline/MMPT will help to tie the Dome area to Centennial Park in a better way.
(05-02-2013 10:06 AM)panama Wrote: Really??? Really??? REALLY!?!?! There is nothing around it for locks and blocks to the south and west.. Centennial Olympic Park to the north and Phillips to the east. There is really nothing over there. And as far as I know the Falcons have been selling out lately.
Panama, I'm not getting into this with you. Just about any time someone says anything that could be remotely viewed as negative about downtown Atlanta you get bent out of shape as though they were talking about your actual home.
I mention something that actually happened, and gave my opinion, and you come back at me as though I'm some kind of bumpkin that's never been to the city. As someone who is downtown working anywhere from the Boulevard/Memorial Dr/Dekalb Ave area, to Collier Rd/Chattahoochee Ave area multiple times a week, I can assure you that I am we'll aware what's around the Dome.
LOL. I am not bent out of shape. Just surprised as I wouldnt describe the Georgia Dome area as one of the scariest areas in Atlanta. And no its not my actual home but pretty close.
I can definitely see if someone for instance got off MARTA at say Five Points on the Forsyth Street side, definitely not on my tourists must see list.
You're right that it's not the worst area in Atlanta (or even Macon, Columbus, or Augusta). But I still say that they could have moved it to an area that would have been "better" (for lack of a better word).
I guess I'm looking at it the way my wife was explaining it. And the element that kept coming up and harassing us multiple times before and after the game just really took away from the experience. And a couple of times got kind of heated.
The falcons did consider building the stadium out on the northeast side in Gwinett. Clayton county also threw their name in the hat due to space the have by the airport. But building in Clayton county is suicide.
I think MARTA rail was a consideration. It is centrally located and located around the largest concentration of hotel space in the SE and around several tourist attractions. I would have been fine with him taking his ball elsewhere though.
(05-02-2013 09:58 AM)KennesawEagle Wrote: The one point that the Falcons are really missing is the fact that it's not the stadium that was keeping people away. It's the area of town.
The Falcons don't have an attendance problem. They aren't building a new stadium because they think more people will come. They are building one because the city will help pay for it and they can own the building instead of the GWC.... meaning they'll make more money.
The GWCC will still own it. The Falcons will manage it.
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