(04-25-2013 05:31 PM)rhynster Wrote:  Admittedly, some of our fans weren't terribly humble either, but we've had our fair share of humble pie at this point.

The Southern fans will go through a little of this too. I don't think they'll go winless, but they are underestimating the difficulty they'll have in getting over .500.

It's not about what they have done against Bama or UGA in a single game. At FBS, it's about attrition vs. depth. You just can't prepare for it adequately when transitioning.

However, that being said, GaSo will be competitive quickly. That offense is legitimate. Even Ga Tech and Navy are competitive and they have academic limits that Southern won't have to deal with.

You never know how a transition is going to go.

Their big problem may be defense. The Sun Belt can score and score quickly and will face a transition defense. Their offense will face an FBS defense week-in and week-out. Just a few extra stops or turnovers and then they have to deal with coming back from behind.

Swimming upstream and downstream are two different things no matter how good a swimmer you are, especially when you have to do it a whole lot of weeks in a row.

Not saying they won't be able to deal with it, but it's a bigger chore than most transition programs expect.

(04-25-2013 05:43 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 04:07 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 12:09 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 11:44 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 11:39 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I'm sure some do. But I remember fans of previous FCS move-ups assuring me that they were going to be fighting for a conference championship and going to bowl games immediately because they were a different breed and the Sun Belt wasn't that good anyway.

This is a tougher conference than its reputation implies.

which previous FCS move ups

WKU fans were pretty darn cocky and very Harbaughed up until that 0-26 blew their world apart. All of that got burned out of them though and they ended up turning in a pretty decent transition in spite of it. They were a joke and very embarrassed for a while.

FIU fans weren't as bad but they had some swagger for absolutely no historical reason. They were in Miami you know and had Don Strock and therefore were destined to rule.

Troy had the best transition and didn't embarrass anyone, but I think even they found it a little tougher than they expected.

That is about what I thought.

WKU won 1 National Championship and decided to make the jump.
They basically won that one in Statesboro (offically the Semi-Final but they won the title game by a land slide much in the same way that Bama won the NC against UGA in Atl) in a final score with less than a minute to go. If memory serves me right they were 4th and forever and a hail marry took them down inside the 5. They left us I think about 45 seconds. We were flying down the field, but just ran out of time.
Didnt their Coach retire right after that and before they played FBS?
WKU didnt/doesnt have near the furtile recruiting ground that we do.

FIU had NO REASON to be cocky. We beat them by by nearly 30 points during their transition.

Even Troy never even went to a title game in 1-AA/FCS. Their "dominance" was mostly in D2 although they fielded a few playoff teams and made it to the Semi one time.

No team has ever transitioned with the success that we have had. Marshall was the only one who was even close.

To quote a post by a fellow eagle fan in another thread, I'll just post our record against current SBC members again. THIS is what you are bringing back. GSU will hold its own.

2-0 FIU
7-4 MTSU
3-10 TROY (But this goes back before we didnt have a football team for 40 years!) The record since we resurected football is I believe
2-1 Troy
2-1 WKU
1-0 ARK STATE
2-2 LA MONROE (I think this was the "land before time" to because I dont recall playing them in the Modern Era)

None of games vs current Belt teams have any relevance today. All are ancient history.

2-0 FIU (both games were vs a new start up team before they were FBS)
7-4 MTSU (Last game in 1995 - Mt was 1-AA)
3-10 TROY (Last game in 1995 - Troy was 1AA)
2-1 WKU (Last game, you lost, in '02 & both were 1AA)
1-0 ARK STATE (1986 ? Over 25 years ago)
2-2 LA MONROE (Last game in 1991, you lost, both were 1AA)

Other than the 91 game against ULM - that I didnt remember do you think any of your post is news to me?

A couple of things though, FIU was in transition to FBS and it wasnt even close.

And we lead the Troy series in the Modern era. None of that is Ancient. Going back before we brought football back and before we were Georgia Southern is ancient.

And we will see how relevant it is in 2014

(04-25-2013 05:31 PM)rhynster Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 12:09 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  WKU fans were pretty darn cocky and very Harbaughed up until that 0-26 blew their world apart. All of that got burned out of them though and they ended up turning in a pretty decent transition in spite of it. They were a joke and very embarrassed for a while.

FIU fans weren't as bad but they had some swagger for absolutely no historical reason. They were in Miami you know and had Don Strock and therefore were destined to rule.

Troy had the best transition and didn't embarrass anyone, but I think even they found it a little tougher than they expected.

Admittedly, some of our fans weren't terribly humble either, but we've had our fair share of humble pie at this point.

The Southern fans will go through a little of this too. I don't think they'll go winless, but they are underestimating the difficulty they'll have in getting over .500.

It's not about what they have done against Bama or UGA in a single game. At FBS, it's about attrition vs. depth. You just can't prepare for it adequately when transitioning.

However, that being said, GaSo will be competitive quickly. That offense is legitimate. Even Ga Tech and Navy are competitive and they have academic limits that Southern won't have to deal with.

Well I thank you for your closing statements, but seriously... about the first part.

With GaSt fans - THAT is what I was really so surprised to see from them out of the gate. You guys have known almost nothing but losing yet somehow, so many of your fans had near zero humility. It would be one thing to have established yourselves as a winning football program on any level and being overconfident in your transition, but that was crazy

At least Ga Southern has a winning record (even though it was years ago in the FCS) over most of the Sun Belt teams that they have faced. And are established winners.

And honestly, GaSt hasnt even finished transition yet, so they really have no frame of refference on it either.

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(04-25-2013 05:56 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 05:31 PM)rhynster Wrote:  Admittedly, some of our fans weren't terribly humble either, but we've had our fair share of humble pie at this point.

The Southern fans will go through a little of this too. I don't think they'll go winless, but they are underestimating the difficulty they'll have in getting over .500.

It's not about what they have done against Bama or UGA in a single game. At FBS, it's about attrition vs. depth. You just can't prepare for it adequately when transitioning.

However, that being said, GaSo will be competitive quickly. That offense is legitimate. Even Ga Tech and Navy are competitive and they have academic limits that Southern won't have to deal with.

You never know how a transition is going to go.

Their big problem may be defense. The Sun Belt can score and score quickly and will face a transition defense. Their offense will face an FBS defense week-in and week-out. Just a few extra stops or turnovers and then they have to deal with coming back from behind.

Swimming upstream and downstream are two different things no matter how good a swimmer you are, especially when you have to do it a whole lot of weeks in a row.

Not saying they won't be able to deal with it, but it's a bigger chore than most transition programs expect.

I dont disagree with a thing you said here!

It will be hard! The offenses we will face will test us week in and out more than we have ever been tested. Our offense will face tough defenses for weeks on end longer than we have had to face in the past. It wont be easy, and there will be loses.

The only thing that really stands out to me is that so many current SBC fans are basing what they think we will do on the track record of what "most transition programs " have done or not been able to do. And that is the part that really ignores the fact that with the possible exception of Marshall, no program has ever transitioned to the FBS from the position we or even App State are in. As much as people think that our 1-AA record means nothing, what those other programs have done in transition means less. And our track record against the best of the best in the FCS (& how we have lined up and been competitive with the best of the best in the FBS, I.E. BCS National Championship caliber teams) will prove to be a better indication of our future FBS success than the struggles of former FCS progams in their respective transitions have been.

(04-24-2013 09:23 AM)cajunbane Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 08:22 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 07:31 PM)cajunbane Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 06:36 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 06:07 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  This stops the giant potential shift that could have happend if they had lost UNC/Virgina to the Big 10, NC State and VT to the SEC and maybe FSU/Clemson to the Big 12.

If all that had happend, I was leaning towards believing that at that point we were going to see The AAC grab some top tier CUSA/Mac teams and go all the way to 16. IF Sixteen were becoming the pattern at that point we might have seen a Sun Belt/CUSA melting put into one conference. The Mac would perhaps pulled up Delaware,Youngstown State, and maybe a few others. This has certainly put a chain reaction on big hold for several FCS programs who might be developing a hope to move up.

However, The AAC only has 12 teams and isnt the Mac at 13? They could go to 14 or 16? I know the new money distribution plan makes going beyond 12 non-profitable for the Go5 if it is finalized and approved the way we have seen it proposed. But we could still see some movenment if that doesnt come down the way we think it will especially. If CUSA really has plans to goto 16, and they were to lose 2 current members to the AAC then we could see 4 teams leave the SBC! Also - nothing in the ACC agreement that keeps them from taking Cincy and UConn and if they do go to that 16 team model those two ads could mean more TV Revenue.

It isn't over. The atom bomb may be off the table but there could still be significant shifting to come in the near future. The Big12 is going to be the only AQConference without a Conf.Champ game if the NCAA denies their request to hold one with less than 12. And i dont see Miss or TXA&M going back to the Big12. The money would be deluted and might still not be as much as the future holds in the SEC. Will the big 12 go after BYU and Boise State? If that happens, what does the MWC do? I aint heard no fat lady singing yet.

As fun as all this speculation is for us... and I don't have a crystal ball either, but I'd say we are about done for a while. Been saying that since the article came about CUSA thinking about 16... I really think that was a "jump the shark" moment... that flew in the face of what was happening in the market. The diminishing payoffs for adding over 12, and I believe the tendency to want to evaluate and consolidate will take hold and CUSA stays at 14 and there are no clear choices that would add value versus revenue loss to conference members.

Yes, MAC is at 13, but they have been there a while and have been at no real hurry to even out the divisions. At best, there are two more spots to fill this round... our 12th, and MAC's 14th. Those slots have been increasing in value and were just made even more valuable now that the ACC has protected itself.

Even the Big 12 could have made a move... and they are frozen out of any big fish now... have to look at the AAC, and while it could happen, I just don't see anything attractive enough for them to justify creating another round of changes.
As fun as the drama has been, I'd say we will just see small aftershocks at this point.

Wait until the Maryland lawsuit is over...then you will see more movement...regardless of what is going on with the ACC.

No. It is finished. It is finished for quite a while. Sorry.

It's gonna sting so bad when they announce it...you are going to be in a shame spiral for months. Separation my ass!!!

Announce what?

(04-25-2013 06:39 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 05:43 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 04:07 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 12:09 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 11:44 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote:  which previous FCS move ups

WKU fans were pretty darn cocky and very Harbaughed up until that 0-26 blew their world apart. All of that got burned out of them though and they ended up turning in a pretty decent transition in spite of it. They were a joke and very embarrassed for a while.

FIU fans weren't as bad but they had some swagger for absolutely no historical reason. They were in Miami you know and had Don Strock and therefore were destined to rule.

Troy had the best transition and didn't embarrass anyone, but I think even they found it a little tougher than they expected.

That is about what I thought.

WKU won 1 National Championship and decided to make the jump.
They basically won that one in Statesboro (offically the Semi-Final but they won the title game by a land slide much in the same way that Bama won the NC against UGA in Atl) in a final score with less than a minute to go. If memory serves me right they were 4th and forever and a hail marry took them down inside the 5. They left us I think about 45 seconds. We were flying down the field, but just ran out of time.
Didnt their Coach retire right after that and before they played FBS?
WKU didnt/doesnt have near the furtile recruiting ground that we do.

FIU had NO REASON to be cocky. We beat them by by nearly 30 points during their transition.

Even Troy never even went to a title game in 1-AA/FCS. Their "dominance" was mostly in D2 although they fielded a few playoff teams and made it to the Semi one time.

No team has ever transitioned with the success that we have had. Marshall was the only one who was even close.

To quote a post by a fellow eagle fan in another thread, I'll just post our record against current SBC members again. THIS is what you are bringing back. GSU will hold its own.

2-0 FIU
7-4 MTSU
3-10 TROY (But this goes back before we didnt have a football team for 40 years!) The record since we resurected football is I believe
2-1 Troy
2-1 WKU
1-0 ARK STATE
2-2 LA MONROE (I think this was the "land before time" to because I dont recall playing them in the Modern Era)

None of games vs current Belt teams have any relevance today. All are ancient history.

2-0 FIU (both games were vs a new start up team before they were FBS)
7-4 MTSU (Last game in 1995 - Mt was 1-AA)
3-10 TROY (Last game in 1995 - Troy was 1AA)
2-1 WKU (Last game, you lost, in '02 & both were 1AA)
1-0 ARK STATE (1986 ? Over 25 years ago)
2-2 LA MONROE (Last game in 1991, you lost, both were 1AA)

Other than the 91 game against ULM - that I didnt remember do you think any of your post is news to me?

A couple of things though, FIU was in transition to FBS and it wasnt even close.
And we lead the Troy series in the Modern era. None of that is Ancient. Going back before we brought football back and before we were Georgia Southern is ancient.

And we will see how relevant it is in 2014

1. FIU played their FIRST football game in 2002. They were on a fast track to 1A because they were a member of a conference that played 1A football. You played them in their SECOND & THIRD of organized football so wins were really no big deal.

2. You "modern era" edge over Troy is a joke. Two of the three times you played them in the "modern era" they were Division II and you were 1AA. They were 1AA the last time you played in '95 and they won.

(04-25-2013 09:47 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 06:39 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 05:43 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 04:07 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 12:09 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  WKU fans were pretty darn cocky and very Harbaughed up until that 0-26 blew their world apart. All of that got burned out of them though and they ended up turning in a pretty decent transition in spite of it. They were a joke and very embarrassed for a while.

FIU fans weren't as bad but they had some swagger for absolutely no historical reason. They were in Miami you know and had Don Strock and therefore were destined to rule.

Troy had the best transition and didn't embarrass anyone, but I think even they found it a little tougher than they expected.

That is about what I thought.

WKU won 1 National Championship and decided to make the jump.
They basically won that one in Statesboro (offically the Semi-Final but they won the title game by a land slide much in the same way that Bama won the NC against UGA in Atl) in a final score with less than a minute to go. If memory serves me right they were 4th and forever and a hail marry took them down inside the 5. They left us I think about 45 seconds. We were flying down the field, but just ran out of time.
Didnt their Coach retire right after that and before they played FBS?
WKU didnt/doesnt have near the furtile recruiting ground that we do.

FIU had NO REASON to be cocky. We beat them by by nearly 30 points during their transition.

Even Troy never even went to a title game in 1-AA/FCS. Their "dominance" was mostly in D2 although they fielded a few playoff teams and made it to the Semi one time.

No team has ever transitioned with the success that we have had. Marshall was the only one who was even close.

To quote a post by a fellow eagle fan in another thread, I'll just post our record against current SBC members again. THIS is what you are bringing back. GSU will hold its own.

2-0 FIU
7-4 MTSU
3-10 TROY (But this goes back before we didnt have a football team for 40 years!) The record since we resurected football is I believe
2-1 Troy
2-1 WKU
1-0 ARK STATE
2-2 LA MONROE (I think this was the "land before time" to because I dont recall playing them in the Modern Era)

None of games vs current Belt teams have any relevance today. All are ancient history.

2-0 FIU (both games were vs a new start up team before they were FBS)
7-4 MTSU (Last game in 1995 - Mt was 1-AA)
3-10 TROY (Last game in 1995 - Troy was 1AA)
2-1 WKU (Last game, you lost, in '02 & both were 1AA)
1-0 ARK STATE (1986 ? Over 25 years ago)
2-2 LA MONROE (Last game in 1991, you lost, both were 1AA)

Other than the 91 game against ULM - that I didnt remember do you think any of your post is news to me?

A couple of things though, FIU was in transition to FBS and it wasnt even close.
And we lead the Troy series in the Modern era. None of that is Ancient. Going back before we brought football back and before we were Georgia Southern is ancient.

And we will see how relevant it is in 2014:mafia:

1. FIU played their FIRST football game in 2002. They were on a fast track to 1A because they were a member of a conference that played 1A football. You played them in the SECOND & THIRD of organized football so wins were really no big deal.

2. You "modern era" edge over Troy is a joke. Two of the three times you played them in the "modern era" they were Division II and you were 1AA. They were 1AA the last time you played in '95 and they won.

You can't put too much stock in any of this. It's part of their gig. Like Texas A&M has never lost, they just ran out of time a lot.

Sometime in the past some Texans held their compass backwards and ended up accidentally colonizing Statesboro, GA

(04-25-2013 09:53 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 09:47 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 06:39 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 05:43 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 04:07 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  That is about what I thought.

WKU won 1 National Championship and decided to make the jump.
They basically won that one in Statesboro (offically the Semi-Final but they won the title game by a land slide much in the same way that Bama won the NC against UGA in Atl) in a final score with less than a minute to go. If memory serves me right they were 4th and forever and a hail marry took them down inside the 5. They left us I think about 45 seconds. We were flying down the field, but just ran out of time.
Didnt their Coach retire right after that and before they played FBS?
WKU didnt/doesnt have near the furtile recruiting ground that we do.

FIU had NO REASON to be cocky. We beat them by by nearly 30 points during their transition.

Even Troy never even went to a title game in 1-AA/FCS. Their "dominance" was mostly in D2 although they fielded a few playoff teams and made it to the Semi one time.

No team has ever transitioned with the success that we have had. Marshall was the only one who was even close.

To quote a post by a fellow eagle fan in another thread, I'll just post our record against current SBC members again. THIS is what you are bringing back. GSU will hold its own.

2-0 FIU
7-4 MTSU
3-10 TROY (But this goes back before we didnt have a football team for 40 years!) The record since we resurected football is I believe
2-1 Troy
2-1 WKU
1-0 ARK STATE
2-2 LA MONROE (I think this was the "land before time" to because I dont recall playing them in the Modern Era)

None of games vs current Belt teams have any relevance today. All are ancient history.

2-0 FIU (both games were vs a new start up team before they were FBS)
7-4 MTSU (Last game in 1995 - Mt was 1-AA)
3-10 TROY (Last game in 1995 - Troy was 1AA)
2-1 WKU (Last game, you lost, in '02 & both were 1AA)
1-0 ARK STATE (1986 ? Over 25 years ago)
2-2 LA MONROE (Last game in 1991, you lost, both were 1AA)

Other than the 91 game against ULM - that I didnt remember do you think any of your post is news to me?

A couple of things though, FIU was in transition to FBS and it wasnt even close.
And we lead the Troy series in the Modern era. None of that is Ancient. Going back before we brought football back and before we were Georgia Southern is ancient.

And we will see how relevant it is in 2014

1. FIU played their FIRST football game in 2002. They were on a fast track to 1A because they were a member of a conference that played 1A football. You played them in the SECOND & THIRD of organized football so wins were really no big deal.

2. You "modern era" edge over Troy is a joke. Two of the three times you played them in the "modern era" they were Division II and you were 1AA. They were 1AA the last time you played in '95 and they won.

You can't put too much stock in any of this. It's part of their gig. Like Texas A&M has never lost, they just ran out of time a lot.

Sometime in the past some Texans held their compass backwards and ended up accidentally colonizing Statesboro, GA

That sir is an extremely cruel comment.

Synopsis:
So recently for those that do not want to spend ten hours reading a message thread,
we have had all GaSo wins and losses broken down
and recently found out that Texans founded Statesboro, Georgia because evidently they were backwards.

Then the backwards Texans filmed this in Statesboro, thinking
it was Michigan.

(04-25-2013 11:57 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Synopsis:
So recently for those that do not want to spend ten hours reading a message thread,
we have had all GaSo wins and losses broken down
and recently found out that Texans founded Statesboro, Georgia because evidently they were backwards.

Then the backwards Texans filmed this in Statesboro, thinking
it was.........

Only an appy grad would think it takes 10 hours to read seven pages.

(04-26-2013 12:52 AM)Walter Sobchak Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 11:57 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Synopsis:
So recently for those that do not want to spend ten hours reading a message thread,
we have had all GaSo wins and losses broken down
and recently found out that Texans founded Statesboro, Georgia because evidently they were backwards.

Then the backwards Texans filmed this in Statesboro, thinking
it was.........

Only an appy grad would think it takes 10 hours to read seven pages.

(04-25-2013 10:05 AM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:30 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 08:26 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:22 AM)cajunbane Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 07:45 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  My crystal ball is no better than yours, but I think the the Maryland lawsuit is a straw man, and doesn't prevent CUSA from going to 16 in the least. While I think the Cajuns and stAte are the most likely choices for CUSA-16... I still don't think it happens this round... there is no absolute value to adding these teams or any others out there that justify spreading 12 million 16 ways... and that's just the start... I have no doubt that the success of this playoff will result in more $$$ both in base distribution and incentives. I look at the potential CUSA-16 (stAte/Cajuns) situation the same way as the question earlier on the ACC adding UC and UConn: they will always be there. There is no need to rush.

Correct it doesn't prevent CUSA to go to 16 teams, it actually aids it. The Maryland Lawsuit is keeping the BCS conferences in a holding pattern. That's why I think Banowksy is going to go to 16 now, since everyone is in a stand still...gives CUSA a bit of stability until the chaos wheel starts turning again.

Banowsky and the CUSA presidents have wanted 16 and beyond since the merger talk started. I think 16 is as far as they will go and it will happen before July 1st. Besides...with everything slowing down, adding to two teams now gets you to 16 and solidifies 2014 and possibly beyond. For a conference that has seen incredible turnover...a little bit of stability may help.

I think this new iteration of the Sun Belt just doesn't fit the Cajuns and Arkansas State well at all. From a perception standpoint at the moment it is a massive step down. Regardless of where it could be...we cannot afford to lose the momentum we have accumulated from the past two seasons. Same goes for Arkansas State. The ship has sailed and we just don't belong here anymore. All our peers have left and gone...we need to join them or we will be stuck here forever.

CUSA is already going to be spending $12 million 14 ways. Any added bonuses from having two more teams that have the capability to affect the standings of the conference compared to the other Gang of 5 conferences would more than make up for any loss of revenue from going to 16 teams. Banowsky wouldn't have mentioned 16 teams if he really felt that spreading the 12 million around over 2 more teams would be that much of a burden.

My point is that the UM case has no bearing whatsoever. CUSA would be the only 16 team conference. The only one splitting revenues 16 ways. I actually see no advantage to a 16 team conference in aiding the rankings of the Go5... In fact, a league like that could actually hurt themselves by beating each other up during the season. The revenue sharing arrangement encourages OOC scheduling among conferences. If CUSA wants to raise stature, they need to schedule MWC, AAC, SBC and MAC teams not add conference games. That's what everyone else will be doing including the big 5. The thought of 16 is no longer advantageous... and as good as stAte and the Cajuns think they are, they would be better off being the deans of the SBC than also rans in the shattered CUSA.

Not sure where you newbies get off being such arrogant pricks?? Heres the deal. Football drives the bus. UL and stAte would definitely NOT be also rans in CUSA. You guys need to get ready for your manhandling. Biiiig dif between 1AA and 1A.

A little testy, eh? I'm quite sure he didn't mention App State, FCS, or how App State will fare in the Sun Belt in his post. Name calling only gets you so far...usually about 4th grade.

Thank you for that. My statement was not meant to be insulting to stAte or the Cajuns in the least. They have a tremendous opportunity by staying in the SBC, and as it is turning out, it looks like CUSA will stay at 14... and they may have overplayed their hand getting to 14 in the first place. Tremendous respect for stAte and Cajuns from this AppState fan... my perspective was from a college football fan that has watched realignment unfold with great interest. I am glad that all signs indicate that this process has slowed and now presents a tremendous chance for the SBC to show how they can perform... I have EVERY reason to believe that the SBC will emerge a stronger football conference than CUSA.

(04-26-2013 07:38 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 10:05 AM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:30 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 08:26 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:22 AM)cajunbane Wrote:  Correct it doesn't prevent CUSA to go to 16 teams, it actually aids it. The Maryland Lawsuit is keeping the BCS conferences in a holding pattern. That's why I think Banowksy is going to go to 16 now, since everyone is in a stand still...gives CUSA a bit of stability until the chaos wheel starts turning again.

Banowsky and the CUSA presidents have wanted 16 and beyond since the merger talk started. I think 16 is as far as they will go and it will happen before July 1st. Besides...with everything slowing down, adding to two teams now gets you to 16 and solidifies 2014 and possibly beyond. For a conference that has seen incredible turnover...a little bit of stability may help.

I think this new iteration of the Sun Belt just doesn't fit the Cajuns and Arkansas State well at all. From a perception standpoint at the moment it is a massive step down. Regardless of where it could be...we cannot afford to lose the momentum we have accumulated from the past two seasons. Same goes for Arkansas State. The ship has sailed and we just don't belong here anymore. All our peers have left and gone...we need to join them or we will be stuck here forever.

CUSA is already going to be spending $12 million 14 ways. Any added bonuses from having two more teams that have the capability to affect the standings of the conference compared to the other Gang of 5 conferences would more than make up for any loss of revenue from going to 16 teams. Banowsky wouldn't have mentioned 16 teams if he really felt that spreading the 12 million around over 2 more teams would be that much of a burden.

My point is that the UM case has no bearing whatsoever. CUSA would be the only 16 team conference. The only one splitting revenues 16 ways. I actually see no advantage to a 16 team conference in aiding the rankings of the Go5... In fact, a league like that could actually hurt themselves by beating each other up during the season. The revenue sharing arrangement encourages OOC scheduling among conferences. If CUSA wants to raise stature, they need to schedule MWC, AAC, SBC and MAC teams not add conference games. That's what everyone else will be doing including the big 5. The thought of 16 is no longer advantageous... and as good as stAte and the Cajuns think they are, they would be better off being the deans of the SBC than also rans in the shattered CUSA.

Not sure where you newbies get off being such arrogant pricks?? Heres the deal. Football drives the bus. UL and stAte would definitely NOT be also rans in CUSA. You guys need to get ready for your manhandling. Biiiig dif between 1AA and 1A.

A little testy, eh? I'm quite sure he didn't mention App State, FCS, or how App State will fare in the Sun Belt in his post. Name calling only gets you so far...usually about 4th grade.

Thank you for that. My statement was not meant to be insulting to stAte or the Cajuns in the least. They have a tremendous opportunity by staying in the SBC, and as it is turning out, it looks like CUSA will stay at 14... and they may have overplayed their hand getting to 14 in the first place. Tremendous respect for stAte and Cajuns from this AppState fan... my perspective was from a college football fan that has watched realignment unfold with great interest. I am glad that all signs indicate that this process has slowed and now presents a tremendous chance for the SBC to show how they can perform... I have EVERY reason to believe that the SBC will emerge a stronger football conference than CUSA.

Perhaps once you've experienced a few of the ass whippings that you've got coming your way you'll be able to think more clearly......Just kidding. I think App State is a great add for the SBC. One thing is for sure. Everybody is ready for this realignment stuff to be over with. Now, let the games begin!

(04-26-2013 04:09 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 07:38 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 10:05 AM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:30 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 08:26 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  My point is that the UM case has no bearing whatsoever. CUSA would be the only 16 team conference. The only one splitting revenues 16 ways. I actually see no advantage to a 16 team conference in aiding the rankings of the Go5... In fact, a league like that could actually hurt themselves by beating each other up during the season. The revenue sharing arrangement encourages OOC scheduling among conferences. If CUSA wants to raise stature, they need to schedule MWC, AAC, SBC and MAC teams not add conference games. That's what everyone else will be doing including the big 5. The thought of 16 is no longer advantageous... and as good as stAte and the Cajuns think they are, they would be better off being the deans of the SBC than also rans in the shattered CUSA.

Not sure where you newbies get off being such arrogant pricks?? Heres the deal. Football drives the bus. UL and stAte would definitely NOT be also rans in CUSA. You guys need to get ready for your manhandling. Biiiig dif between 1AA and 1A.

A little testy, eh? I'm quite sure he didn't mention App State, FCS, or how App State will fare in the Sun Belt in his post. Name calling only gets you so far...usually about 4th grade.

Thank you for that. My statement was not meant to be insulting to stAte or the Cajuns in the least. They have a tremendous opportunity by staying in the SBC, and as it is turning out, it looks like CUSA will stay at 14... and they may have overplayed their hand getting to 14 in the first place. Tremendous respect for stAte and Cajuns from this AppState fan... my perspective was from a college football fan that has watched realignment unfold with great interest. I am glad that all signs indicate that this process has slowed and now presents a tremendous chance for the SBC to show how they can perform... I have EVERY reason to believe that the SBC will emerge a stronger football conference than CUSA.

Perhaps once you've experienced a few of the ass whippings that you've got coming your way you'll be able to think more clearly......Just kidding. I think App State is a great add for the SBC. One thing is for sure. Everybody is ready for this realignment stuff to be over with. Now, let the games begin!

True. After we issue the final golden ticket (JMU, I'm looking your way), I'm ready for a good 10 years of realignment peace.

As for the ass whippings...Name the time and place.

(04-25-2013 09:47 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 06:39 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 05:43 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 04:07 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 12:09 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  WKU fans were pretty darn cocky and very Harbaughed up until that 0-26 blew their world apart. All of that got burned out of them though and they ended up turning in a pretty decent transition in spite of it. They were a joke and very embarrassed for a while.

FIU fans weren't as bad but they had some swagger for absolutely no historical reason. They were in Miami you know and had Don Strock and therefore were destined to rule.

Troy had the best transition and didn't embarrass anyone, but I think even they found it a little tougher than they expected.

That is about what I thought.

WKU won 1 National Championship and decided to make the jump.
They basically won that one in Statesboro (offically the Semi-Final but they won the title game by a land slide much in the same way that Bama won the NC against UGA in Atl) in a final score with less than a minute to go. If memory serves me right they were 4th and forever and a hail marry took them down inside the 5. They left us I think about 45 seconds. We were flying down the field, but just ran out of time.
Didnt their Coach retire right after that and before they played FBS?
WKU didnt/doesnt have near the furtile recruiting ground that we do.

FIU had NO REASON to be cocky. We beat them by by nearly 30 points during their transition.

Even Troy never even went to a title game in 1-AA/FCS. Their "dominance" was mostly in D2 although they fielded a few playoff teams and made it to the Semi one time.

No team has ever transitioned with the success that we have had. Marshall was the only one who was even close.

To quote a post by a fellow eagle fan in another thread, I'll just post our record against current SBC members again. THIS is what you are bringing back. GSU will hold its own.

2-0 FIU
7-4 MTSU
3-10 TROY (But this goes back before we didnt have a football team for 40 years!) The record since we resurected football is I believe
2-1 Troy
2-1 WKU
1-0 ARK STATE
2-2 LA MONROE (I think this was the "land before time" to because I dont recall playing them in the Modern Era)

None of games vs current Belt teams have any relevance today. All are ancient history.

2-0 FIU (both games were vs a new start up team before they were FBS)
7-4 MTSU (Last game in 1995 - Mt was 1-AA)
3-10 TROY (Last game in 1995 - Troy was 1AA)
2-1 WKU (Last game, you lost, in '02 & both were 1AA)
1-0 ARK STATE (1986 ? Over 25 years ago)
2-2 LA MONROE (Last game in 1991, you lost, both were 1AA)

Other than the 91 game against ULM - that I didnt remember do you think any of your post is news to me?

A couple of things though, FIU was in transition to FBS and it wasnt even close.
And we lead the Troy series in the Modern era. None of that is Ancient. Going back before we brought football back and before we were Georgia Southern is ancient.

And we will see how relevant it is in 2014

1. FIU played their FIRST football game in 2002. They were on a fast track to 1A because they were a member of a conference that played 1A football. You played them in their SECOND & THIRD of organized football so wins were really no big deal.

2. You "modern era" edge over Troy is a joke. Two of the three times you played them in the "modern era" they were Division II and you were 1AA. They were 1AA the last time you played in '95 and they won.

Wow - can't wait to stomp the "mean green"

So, now the wins over FIU mean nothing because they were in their first few years of football and in transition. OK, lets see how many teams will claim to have lost to a FCS team IF they lose to GaSouthern in 2014. We will be in transition, but I'll bet you how ever much $ makes you nervous that most fans of any team we beat that year will call it a loss to a FBS team.

You want to know what a joke is? A north tex fan thinking they know anything about the history of Georgia Southern v/s Troy

First time we played them in the Modern ear was 83, they were a very good D2 program and we lost by a point! But hey since we were in our 2nd year of football, according to the angry vomit color guy - that dont mean much huh?

We then beat them twice in a row in 85,91.
In 92 they brought revenge to Statesboro in what I believe was their transition to 1-AA and beat the tar out of us! 21-ZIP. We owe you for that one Trojans!

Anyway - We knocked those guys out of the playoffs the next time we faced them and it was at Our House in 1995. GEORGIA SOUTHERN WON THE GAME! That was the last time we played them.

We lead the modern era 3-2 - That is where the record stands. Cant wait to give them a chance to even it up!

Hated to have to break out the facts on you, but.....

(04-26-2013 06:35 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 09:47 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 06:39 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 05:43 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 04:07 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  That is about what I thought.

WKU won 1 National Championship and decided to make the jump.
They basically won that one in Statesboro (offically the Semi-Final but they won the title game by a land slide much in the same way that Bama won the NC against UGA in Atl) in a final score with less than a minute to go. If memory serves me right they were 4th and forever and a hail marry took them down inside the 5. They left us I think about 45 seconds. We were flying down the field, but just ran out of time.
Didnt their Coach retire right after that and before they played FBS?
WKU didnt/doesnt have near the furtile recruiting ground that we do.

FIU had NO REASON to be cocky. We beat them by by nearly 30 points during their transition.

Even Troy never even went to a title game in 1-AA/FCS. Their "dominance" was mostly in D2 although they fielded a few playoff teams and made it to the Semi one time.

No team has ever transitioned with the success that we have had. Marshall was the only one who was even close.

To quote a post by a fellow eagle fan in another thread, I'll just post our record against current SBC members again. THIS is what you are bringing back. GSU will hold its own.

2-0 FIU
7-4 MTSU
3-10 TROY (But this goes back before we didnt have a football team for 40 years!) The record since we resurected football is I believe
2-1 Troy
2-1 WKU
1-0 ARK STATE
2-2 LA MONROE (I think this was the "land before time" to because I dont recall playing them in the Modern Era)

None of games vs current Belt teams have any relevance today. All are ancient history.

2-0 FIU (both games were vs a new start up team before they were FBS)
7-4 MTSU (Last game in 1995 - Mt was 1-AA)
3-10 TROY (Last game in 1995 - Troy was 1AA)
2-1 WKU (Last game, you lost, in '02 & both were 1AA)
1-0 ARK STATE (1986 ? Over 25 years ago)
2-2 LA MONROE (Last game in 1991, you lost, both were 1AA)

Other than the 91 game against ULM - that I didnt remember do you think any of your post is news to me?

A couple of things though, FIU was in transition to FBS and it wasnt even close.
And we lead the Troy series in the Modern era. None of that is Ancient. Going back before we brought football back and before we were Georgia Southern is ancient.

And we will see how relevant it is in 2014

1. FIU played their FIRST football game in 2002. They were on a fast track to 1A because they were a member of a conference that played 1A football. You played them in their SECOND & THIRD of organized football so wins were really no big deal.

2. You "modern era" edge over Troy is a joke. Two of the three times you played them in the "modern era" they were Division II and you were 1AA. They were 1AA the last time you played in '95 and they won.

Wow - can't wait to stomp the "mean green"

So, now the wins over FIU mean nothing because they were in their first few years of football and in transition. OK, lets see how many teams will claim to have lost to a FCS team IF they lose to GaSouthern in 2014. We will be in transition, but I'll bet you how ever much $ makes you nervous that most fans of any team we beat that year will call it a loss to a FBS team.

You want to know what a joke is? A north tex fan thinking they know anything about the history of Georgia Southern v/s Troy

First time we played them in the Modern ear was 83, they were a very good D2 program and we lost by a point! But hey since we were in our 2nd year of football, according to the angry vomit color guy - that dont mean much huh?

We then beat them twice in a row in 85,91.
In 92 they brought revenge to Statesboro in what I believe was their transition to 1-AA and beat the tar out of us! 21-ZIP. We owe you for that one Trojans!

Anyway - We knocked those guys out of the playoffs the next time we faced them and it was at Our House in 1995. GEORGIA SOUTHERN WON THE GAME! That was the last time we played them.

We lead the modern era 3-2 - That is where the record stands. Cant wait to give them a chance to even it up!

Hated to have to break out the facts on you, but.....

Facts ? Is it or is it not true that for the last 3 games that you claim in the "modern era" that Troy was DII for two of those games & Ga South was 1AA for all three and that the last game, which Troy won, they were also 1AA. Beating a team in a lower classification isn't something to brag about, it's suppose to happen. Troy even beat you when they were DII and you were 1AA.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa...eamid=3257

(04-27-2013 02:49 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 06:35 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 09:47 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 06:39 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 05:43 PM)MG61 Wrote:  None of games vs current Belt teams have any relevance today. All are ancient history.

2-0 FIU (both games were vs a new start up team before they were FBS)
7-4 MTSU (Last game in 1995 - Mt was 1-AA)
3-10 TROY (Last game in 1995 - Troy was 1AA)
2-1 WKU (Last game, you lost, in '02 & both were 1AA)
1-0 ARK STATE (1986 ? Over 25 years ago)
2-2 LA MONROE (Last game in 1991, you lost, both were 1AA)

Other than the 91 game against ULM - that I didnt remember do you think any of your post is news to me?

A couple of things though, FIU was in transition to FBS and it wasnt even close.
And we lead the Troy series in the Modern era. None of that is Ancient. Going back before we brought football back and before we were Georgia Southern is ancient.

And we will see how relevant it is in 2014

1. FIU played their FIRST football game in 2002. They were on a fast track to 1A because they were a member of a conference that played 1A football. You played them in their SECOND & THIRD of organized football so wins were really no big deal.

2. You "modern era" edge over Troy is a joke. Two of the three times you played them in the "modern era" they were Division II and you were 1AA. They were 1AA the last time you played in '95 and they won.

Wow - can't wait to stomp the "mean green"

So, now the wins over FIU mean nothing because they were in their first few years of football and in transition. OK, lets see how many teams will claim to have lost to a FCS team IF they lose to GaSouthern in 2014. We will be in transition, but I'll bet you how ever much $ makes you nervous that most fans of any team we beat that year will call it a loss to a FBS team.

You want to know what a joke is? A north tex fan thinking they know anything about the history of Georgia Southern v/s Troy

First time we played them in the Modern ear was 83, they were a very good D2 program and we lost by a point! But hey since we were in our 2nd year of football, according to the angry vomit color guy - that dont mean much huh?

We then beat them twice in a row in 85,91.
In 92 they brought revenge to Statesboro in what I believe was their transition to 1-AA and beat the tar out of us! 21-ZIP. We owe you for that one Trojans!

Anyway - We knocked those guys out of the playoffs the next time we faced them and it was at Our House in 1995. GEORGIA SOUTHERN WON THE GAME! That was the last time we played them.

We lead the modern era 3-2 - That is where the record stands. Cant wait to give them a chance to even it up!

Hated to have to break out the facts on you, but.....

Facts ? Is it or is it not true that for the last 3 games that you claim in the "modern era" that Troy was DII for two of those games & Ga South was 1AA for all three and that the last game, which Troy won,they were also 1AA. Beating a team in a lower classification isn't something to brag about, it's suppose to happen. Troy even beat you when they were DII and you were 1AA.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa...eamid=3257

No, that isn't correct:

Troy (AS I STATED) did beat us 28-27 when they were a D2 in 1983. We were in our second year of football and they would win the D2 National Championship the next season. They have always played good football. That part is true.

Georgia Southern has ALWAYS been Division 1. 1-AA,FCS etc. So yea, all those games were with us being 1-AA. Nobody is "bragging" about beating a D2, only pointing out our record against Troy in the modern era. However, I'll give Troy credit in that beating them has always been something to be proud of regardless of their label - something you seem to be hung up on.

Lets get this clear though: The last time Troy played us, TROY LOST!

(FACT) Your original statement was this: "They were 1AA the last time you played in '95 and they won."
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Then you have the above statement in bold: "the last game, which Troy won,they were also 1AA."

The last one makes it sound like you are possibly simply saying that in their win over us, they were 1-AA - WHICH would be true! But you imply and in FACT stated in your original comment that Troy won the game the very last time we played them!

FACT: Troy lost the game the last time we played them
FACT: Last time we lost to Troy, they were in transition to 1-AA - SO you can call that 1-AA if you like. I will, but they were still in transition and not eligable for the playoffs.

So - This is 5 games in the modren era: We lead the series 3-2.
83 - we lost
85 - we won
91 - we won
92 - they move 1-AA and beat us.
95 - we knocked them out of the playoffs - THAT was the last time we played.

I think you got confused when reading that final stat on the web link you gave because of the color of the chart. It is in their colors and might appear to be from their prespective, so a "W" might appear at a glance in that column as a "W" for Troy. I thought it was saying that at first to, which I was about to say that your link information was WRONG.. then I looked closer and noticed that the chart listed Georgia Southern first and how all the "W"'s lined up with our wins so the chart is right, but you just have to know what is going on. I was there - I knew the facts without the chart so it was easy for me to tell.

Using you logic, UTA football right now is better than Lafayette (9-6), Monroe (6-5) and Texas State (2-0). Also, the last time we played all three we won.

I think we can all agree, that having both a better record and the most recent victory, those programs A) are better than they were and where UTA is now and B) a lot has changed in the decades since we played.

I am glad ya'll beat Troy in the '90's. A lot has changed since then and has no ramifications on the level of the two teams today.

(04-29-2013 01:32 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Using you logic, UTA football right now is better than Lafayette (9-6), Monroe (6-5) and Texas State (2-0). Also, the last time we played all three we won.

I think we can all agree, that having both a better record and the most recent victory, those programs A) are better than they were and where UTA is now and B) a lot has changed in the decades since we played.

I am glad ya'll beat Troy in the '90's. A lot has changed since then and has no ramifications on the level of the two teams today.

I was just setting the little green fellow straight on the record.

I never said that leading the modern era series made us currently better. Those records will be counted in our resurection of some old foes and rivalries. I expect the games between Troy and us to be good ones regardless of the divisional labels. I really dont think it is going to miss a beat. Both prorams are improved, Troy may win a few more now in the onset with their FBS head start. But the past is important.
I know nothing of UTA and didnt know they had a football team so I cant comment on your comparrisons to any FBS programs. But when I look at everything that I can, and part of that is looking at common opponnents, I think we will line up and do ok come 2014 with our new FBS conference mates. Looking forward to it.

(04-29-2013 01:32 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Using you logic, UTA football right now is better than Lafayette (9-6), Monroe (6-5) and Texas State (2-0). Also, the last time we played all three we won.

I think we can all agree, that having both a better record and the most recent victory, those programs A) are better than they were and where UTA is now and B) a lot has changed in the decades since we played.

I am glad ya'll beat Troy in the '90's. A lot has changed since then and has no ramifications on the level of the two teams today.

I dont recall UTarl. playing the Lafayette Leopards of Easton Pa? I find NO record of that.. when was this?

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