Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 18m

Old Big East announces hoops deal w/CBS thru 2019-20 season. Features up to 12 games annually on CBS
Retweeted by Andy Katz

http://www.bigeast.org/News/tabid/435/Ar...ports.aspx

Quote:The contract includes up to 12 appearances per season. Half of the appearances each season will be conference games. CBS Sports retains the right to have the first selections among conference, non-conference and neutral site games. Financial terms of the agreement were not announced.

wow, so like UConn/Cincy UConn/Memphis, etc. would be easy choices. Also like next year Louisville/Memphis will be a lock.

(03-26-2013 11:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  wow, so like UConn/Cincy UConn/Memphis, etc. would be easy choices. Also like next year Louisville/Memphis will be a lock.

Temple should be in the spotlight too...

(03-26-2013 11:10 AM)pzz189 Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 11:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  wow, so like UConn/Cincy UConn/Memphis, etc. would be easy choices. Also like next year Louisville/Memphis will be a lock.

Temple should be in the spotlight too...

yeah. Would venture a guess the 6 conference games would be
1- Louisville/Memphis(biggest lock out there)
2- Louisville/UConn
3- Louisville/Cincy
4- UConn/Memphis
5- UConn/Temple
6- Memphis/Temple

You might think the 12 number is a great number for college basketball, but just a reminder.. that's not a lot in the overall number of games you play as a college squad.

Note the agreement only says "games", not "conference games"... considering most schools have somewhere around 30 games. Unless you're one of the top name draws, odds are you're not getting on TV.

CBS / C-USA's agreement had something like up to 15 games (or something like that, I forget the number). Memphis vs. OOC games were somewhere around 10 or 11 of them, leaving the rest of the conference to share 3 or 4 game broadcasts.

(03-26-2013 12:34 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  You might think the 12 number is a great number for college basketball, but just a reminder.. that's not a lot in the overall number of games you play as a college squad.

Note the agreement only says "games", not "conference games"...

It says half are conference games, which implies 6 conference games and 6 non conference (Big TBA Home) games. And it says "up to", which implies 6/6 MAXIMUM, not 6/6 guaranteed. For one thing, if there is more raiding, CBS will surely scale back from 12 games.

Quote: considering most schools have somewhere around 30 games. Unless you're one of the top name draws, odds are you're not getting on TV.

Yes, this is normal for a Tier 1 broadcast rights agreement ~ not very many games, substantially more per game than the Tier 2 cable rights agreement already in place with ESPN.

Six of the most appealing Big TBA conference games on CBS, like stever20 said, six of the most appealing out of conference home games on CBS, the majority of schools are likely to not make CBS in any given year: for instance, Houston and SMU were not added from CUSA for how pretty their basketball arenas would look on broadcast TV.

Quote: CBS / C-USA's agreement had something like up to 15 games (or something like that, I forget the number). Memphis vs. OOC games were somewhere around 10 or 11 of them, leaving the rest of the conference to share 3 or 4 game broadcasts.

Yes, most of Big East BB is going to be on ESPN, not CBS. Its likely that every school is guaranteed at least one home game on cable ... since ESPN had to match the NBC Sports Network offer ... but certainly there would be no guarantees regarding getting on ESPN (~100m households) and ESPN2 (~90m households), so some schools are likely to only ever show up on ESPNU and ESPN3.

(03-26-2013 11:18 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 11:10 AM)pzz189 Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 11:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  wow, so like UConn/Cincy UConn/Memphis, etc. would be easy choices. Also like next year Louisville/Memphis will be a lock.

Temple should be in the spotlight too...

yeah. Would venture a guess the 6 conference games would be
1- Louisville/Memphis(biggest lock out there)
2- Louisville/UConn
3- Louisville/Cincy
4- UConn/Memphis
5- UConn/Temple
6- Memphis/Temple

this is why it sucks to see Louisville leaving. I've been savoring over watching L'Ville vs Memphis 2x annually in the Big East.

(03-26-2013 11:18 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 11:10 AM)pzz189 Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 11:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  wow, so like UConn/Cincy UConn/Memphis, etc. would be easy choices. Also like next year Louisville/Memphis will be a lock.

Temple should be in the spotlight too...

yeah. Would venture a guess the 6 conference games would be
1- Louisville/Memphis(biggest lock out there)
2- Louisville/UConn
3- Louisville/Cincy
4- UConn/Memphis
5- UConn/Temple
6- Memphis/Temple

12 appearances but half are nonconference. All CBS OTA

So 3 conference games, and 6 noncon games.

(03-26-2013 11:02 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  http://www.bigeast.org/News/tabid/435/Ar...ports.aspx

Quote:The contract includes up to 12 appearances per season. Half of the appearances each season will be conference games. CBS Sports retains the right to have the first selections among conference, non-conference and neutral site games. Financial terms of the agreement were not announced.

Weird to see that announcement on the Big East website.

Both leagues need to get their sh!t together and get separate offices, names, everything set up quickly. For example, this announcement would have given the Aresco league more of a "branding" benefit if they had the new league name and logo in place before making the announcement.

By the way, if it's like the agreement that the old Big East had with CBS, then CBS can only show a particular matchup once a year unless ESPN passes -- for example, if Louisville plays Memphis in hoops twice next season, CBS could show one of those two games and ESPN would have the option to show the other.

(03-26-2013 01:07 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 11:18 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 11:10 AM)pzz189 Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 11:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  wow, so like UConn/Cincy UConn/Memphis, etc. would be easy choices. Also like next year Louisville/Memphis will be a lock.

Temple should be in the spotlight too...

yeah. Would venture a guess the 6 conference games would be
1- Louisville/Memphis(biggest lock out there)
2- Louisville/UConn
3- Louisville/Cincy
4- UConn/Memphis
5- UConn/Temple
6- Memphis/Temple

12 appearances but half are nonconference. All CBS OTA

So 3 conference games, and 6 noncon games.

I think appearance means game. So a conference game counts for 1 appearance. Don't think they would be doing it for only 3 conference games.

(03-26-2013 01:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think appearance means game. So a conference game counts for 1 appearance. Don't think they would be doing it for only 3 conference games.

Yup, appearances means games ~ up to twelve games hosted by Big TBA schools (rights are by home team), half non-conference opponents, half conference opponents.

(03-26-2013 02:03 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 01:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think appearance means game. So a conference game counts for 1 appearance. Don't think they would be doing it for only 3 conference games.

Yup, appearances means games ~ up to twelve games hosted by Big TBA schools (rights are by home team), half non-conference opponents, half conference opponents.

No. Appearances mean appearances. 1 conference game = 2 appearances.

http://mattsarzsports.blogspot.com/2013/...tball.html

And it doesn't even mean a conference-controlled (i.e. home) game. It could be a game where Memphis plays at Ohio State. Or one where UConn plays in the Maui Invitational.

(03-26-2013 02:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 02:03 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 01:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think appearance means game. So a conference game counts for 1 appearance. Don't think they would be doing it for only 3 conference games.

Yup, appearances means games ~ up to twelve games hosted by Big TBA schools (rights are by home team), half non-conference opponents, half conference opponents.

No. Appearances mean appearances. 1 conference game = 2 appearances.

http://mattsarzsports.blogspot.com/2013/...tball.html

And it doesn't even mean a conference-controlled (i.e. home) game. It could be a game where Memphis plays at Ohio State. Or one where UConn plays in the Maui Invitational.

No, the big ten and its tv partners owns the rights to Ohio states home games

You are right on the appearances from what I can tell.

however- it does not mean non-conference controlled. If Memphis plays at Ohio St, and that's shown on CBS- that counts towards the Big Ten. Does NOTHING with the Big East.

Last year BE got 13 appearances- 6 conference games and 1 OOC game.

Look for most games involving Louisville, Memphis, Cincinnati, UConn, and Temple to be shown on national TV by someone anyway as these are some of the best Basketball programs of the last 20 years.

(03-26-2013 02:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 02:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 02:03 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 01:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think appearance means game. So a conference game counts for 1 appearance. Don't think they would be doing it for only 3 conference games.

Yup, appearances means games ~ up to twelve games hosted by Big TBA schools (rights are by home team), half non-conference opponents, half conference opponents.

No. Appearances mean appearances. 1 conference game = 2 appearances.

http://mattsarzsports.blogspot.com/2013/...tball.html

And it doesn't even mean a conference-controlled (i.e. home) game. It could be a game where Memphis plays at Ohio State. Or one where UConn plays in the Maui Invitational.

No, the big ten and its tv partners owns the rights to Ohio states home games

It was a hypothetical. If that game was on CBS, C-TBA would get credit for it as an "appearance."

I guess that leaves the East Carolina vs. Houston matchup for ESPNU or the deuce which is still way better than what we're getting now.

(03-26-2013 02:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  You are right on the appearances from what I can tell.

however- it does not mean non-conference controlled. If Memphis plays at Ohio St, and that's shown on CBS- that counts towards the Big Ten. Does NOTHING with the Big East.

That's the part I'm not sure of Steve.. we had some Memphis games @ their opponents that were on TV, and I think they counted as 'appearances'. There was no "Home appearance/away appearance" it was just 'appearances'.

Basically, it's just a "don't get too excited by those numbers" if you're looking for your team to be on TV often.

Oh, those silly marketers. So its a maximum of nine broadcast games, maximum three in-conference, six out of conference.

Out of:
UConn / UC
UConn / Temple
UConn / Memphis
UC / Temple
UC / Memphis
Temple / Memphis

... several of those home and away in any given year, I reckon they'll easily find three. Plus Louisville in that mix next year.

And with the plummeting conference RPI from adding schools like Houston, SMU, Tulane and ECU to replace schools like Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, Georgetown, Marquette and Nova, the name schools of the presently no-name conference will be scrambling to toughen up their OOC schedules, so there should be some interesting out of conference games to pick up.

Indeed, kind of "for every two of our out of conference games you pick up, you have to show one of our conference games."

(03-26-2013 02:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  And it doesn't even mean a conference-controlled (i.e. home) game. It could be a game where Memphis plays at Ohio State. Or one where UConn plays in the Maui Invitational.

It could only be a neutral site game if the neutral site game agreement allowed for it (as it would for an in-conference neutral site game). It can't be an away game: the home school typically owns the rights, so the conference of the away school can't sell them, without the home team's permission.

(03-26-2013 02:41 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  That's the part I'm not sure of Steve.. we had some Memphis games @ their opponents that were on TV, and I think they counted as 'appearances'. There was no "Home appearance/away appearance" it was just 'appearances'.

That could well happen ~ the home team could agree in a conference where a broadcast game is allowed to trump a cable network partner. It wouldn't have been an away game to a Big Ten team ~ any rights on Big Ten championship sports not picked up by ABC/ESPN are owned by the Big Ten Network, and with the Grant of Rights, a Big Ten team can't make a separate side deal on the rights.