Not likely according to this article.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...ad-stevens

(03-28-2013 10:00 PM)Burrito Wrote:  Not likely according to this article.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...ad-stevens

Mostly opinion there. No one knows:
http://blogs.indystar.com/butler/2013/03...rossroads/

I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

(03-28-2013 11:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

Only difference is VCU's coach has said he's staying. Butler's coach- not so much.

(03-28-2013 11:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

Only difference is VCU's coach has said he's staying. Butler's coach- not so much.

He's turned down as many suiters as Shaka has. Who's to say he isn't doing the same thing Smart did and is using the Bruins to get a new deal for himself? Isn't that a likely outcome?

(03-28-2013 11:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

Only difference is VCU's coach has said he's staying. Butler's coach- not so much.

He's turned down as many suiters as Shaka has. Who's to say he isn't doing the same thing Smart did and is using the Bruins to get a new deal for himself? Isn't that a likely outcome?

It's very possible. However, it's kind of surprising that we haven't seen him say he's staying- that him and Butler haven't worked something out yet.. The longer this goes, the more possible it is that he leaves.

You almost have to wonder what the money situation is at Butler. They have had to A- pay a lot of money to get out/and enter 2 conferences(2.7 million just for A10)- and b- forgo a lot of conference revenue over the last 2 years. Money doesn't just grow on trees.

(03-28-2013 11:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

Uh, no one thinks that. Ultimately, I don't think Brad leaves Butler for UCLA, but unless you think the reporting about Shaka is some kind of lie/smokescreen, it's indisputable that, yes, Shaka is staying, and no Brad hasn't confirmed that he's staying.

Certainly I'm getting ahead of myself speculating about Buzz since his run isn't over, but do you really think he won't go back home to take the helm at Texas at the drop of a hat? Look at his coaching career. One of these things is not like the other. Whether or not UT fires Barnes is another question....

(03-29-2013 12:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

Only difference is VCU's coach has said he's staying. Butler's coach- not so much.

He's turned down as many suiters as Shaka has. Who's to say he isn't doing the same thing Smart did and is using the Bruins to get a new deal for himself? Isn't that a likely outcome?

It's very possible. However, it's kind of surprising that we haven't seen him say he's staying- that him and Butler haven't worked something out yet.. The longer this goes, the more possible it is that he leaves.

You almost have to wonder what the money situation is at Butler. They have had to A- pay a lot of money to get out/and enter 2 conferences(2.7 million just for A10)- and b- forgo a lot of conference revenue over the last 2 years. Money doesn't just grow on trees.

You don't give up your leverage in renegotiations and say you are staying before the new deal is worked out. Also, UCLA was working on Smart, now they are working on Stevens. Smart JUST got his deal done less than 48 hours ago. Geez talk about instant gratification.

Stevens is in the Big East a power conference while Smart is in the A-10, which is not. They will have plenty of money soon enough and guaranteed money isn't always paid right then and there. Do you know who the NY Mets highest paid outfielder is this season? Bobby freakin' Bonilla! That guys hasn't played in over a decade. There are plenty of ways to structure contracts. Just because right this minute you don't have a ton of cash doesn't mean you wont always be broke.

(03-29-2013 07:40 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 12:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

Only difference is VCU's coach has said he's staying. Butler's coach- not so much.

He's turned down as many suiters as Shaka has. Who's to say he isn't doing the same thing Smart did and is using the Bruins to get a new deal for himself? Isn't that a likely outcome?

It's very possible. However, it's kind of surprising that we haven't seen him say he's staying- that him and Butler haven't worked something out yet.. The longer this goes, the more possible it is that he leaves.

You almost have to wonder what the money situation is at Butler. They have had to A- pay a lot of money to get out/and enter 2 conferences(2.7 million just for A10)- and b- forgo a lot of conference revenue over the last 2 years. Money doesn't just grow on trees.

You don't give up your leverage in renegotiations and say you are staying before the new deal is worked out. Also, UCLA was working on Smart, now they are working on Stevens. Smart JUST got his deal done less than 48 hours ago. Geez talk about instant gratification.

Stevens is in the Big East a power conference while Smart is in the A-10, which is not. They will have plenty of money soon enough and guaranteed money isn't always paid right then and there. Do you know who the NY Mets highest paid outfielder is this season? Bobby freakin' Bonilla! That guys hasn't played in over a decade. There are plenty of ways to structure contracts. Just because right this minute you don't have a ton of cash doesn't mean you wont always be broke.

It's a lot different between baseball and college coaching contracts. Also, what Smart did was get a lot of money for his assistants and also other periphial items like travel.

And you'll have to admit- the longer it plays out, the more of a chance Stevens leaves.

(03-29-2013 07:28 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

Uh, no one thinks that. Ultimately, I don't think Brad leaves Butler for UCLA, but unless you think the reporting about Shaka is some kind of lie/smokescreen, it's indisputable that, yes, Shaka is staying, and no Brad hasn't confirmed that he's staying.

Certainly I'm getting ahead of myself speculating about Buzz since his run isn't over, but do you really think he won't go back home to take the helm at Texas at the drop of a hat? Look at his coaching career. One of these things is not like the other. Whether or not UT fires Barnes is another question....

Drop of the hat is a little ridiculous, Texas is gonna have to do some courting. But yes that's the one that most scares us. Any blue blood and huge/national state schools should scare anyone. Some are better fits than others (Stevens at UCLA makes sense to me, I couldn't see UCLA loving Buzz' schtick). At some point, hopefully he has won enough and built the culture here up so much that he doesn't want to start from scratch.

Go the Fighting Rick Barnes'!

(03-29-2013 07:28 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

Certainly I'm getting ahead of myself speculating about Buzz since his run isn't over, but do you really think he won't go back home to take the helm at Texas at the drop of a hat? Look at his coaching career. One of these things is not like the other. Whether or not UT fires Barnes is another question....

What is this about? He was an assistant coach moving around for the best hires, plus the coaches he was under were moving. The UNO thing is kinda messed up, they basically told him that they wouldn't be able to fund/support the program at the same level anymore.

(03-29-2013 07:40 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 12:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

Only difference is VCU's coach has said he's staying. Butler's coach- not so much.

He's turned down as many suiters as Shaka has. Who's to say he isn't doing the same thing Smart did and is using the Bruins to get a new deal for himself? Isn't that a likely outcome?

It's very possible. However, it's kind of surprising that we haven't seen him say he's staying- that him and Butler haven't worked something out yet.. The longer this goes, the more possible it is that he leaves.

You almost have to wonder what the money situation is at Butler. They have had to A- pay a lot of money to get out/and enter 2 conferences(2.7 million just for A10)- and b- forgo a lot of conference revenue over the last 2 years. Money doesn't just grow on trees.

You don't give up your leverage in renegotiations and say you are staying before the new deal is worked out. Also, UCLA was working on Smart, now they are working on Stevens. Smart JUST got his deal done less than 48 hours ago. Geez talk about instant gratification.

Stevens is in the Big East a power conference while Smart is in the A-10, which is not. They will have plenty of money soon enough and guaranteed money isn't always paid right then and there. Do you know who the NY Mets highest paid outfielder is this season? Bobby freakin' Bonilla! That guys hasn't played in over a decade. There are plenty of ways to structure contracts. Just because right this minute you don't have a ton of cash doesn't mean you wont always be broke.

We have no idea even if UCLA really did go after Shaka. Crean was well known for getting his name out there for jobs thru the media that we came to find out he wasn't really offered/in the running for to gain leverage. Shaka's leverage seemed to come a lot more from Minny and Teague. Reporters hardly know much, but Stevens being actually inn UCLA is not a good sign.

I would think that if UCLA had to court first, it would chase Stevens and then Shaka.

(03-29-2013 08:46 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 07:28 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

Uh, no one thinks that. Ultimately, I don't think Brad leaves Butler for UCLA, but unless you think the reporting about Shaka is some kind of lie/smokescreen, it's indisputable that, yes, Shaka is staying, and no Brad hasn't confirmed that he's staying.

Certainly I'm getting ahead of myself speculating about Buzz since his run isn't over, but do you really think he won't go back home to take the helm at Texas at the drop of a hat? Look at his coaching career. One of these things is not like the other. Whether or not UT fires Barnes is another question....

Drop of the hat is a little ridiculous, Texas is gonna have to do some courting. But yes that's the one that most scares us. Any blue blood and huge/national state schools should scare anyone. Some are better fits than others (Stevens at UCLA makes sense to me, I couldn't see UCLA loving Buzz' schtick). At some point, hopefully he has won enough and built the culture here up so much that he doesn't want to start from scratch.

Go the Fighting Rick Barnes'!

The thing for Buzz would be if he got in a position where he felt like he's done all he could do at Marqette. Same goes with Stevens at Butler and Smart at VCU. You bring up a great point for really all 3 of them- have they won enough and built the culture up enough to where they don't want to move and start over.

(03-29-2013 08:48 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 07:28 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

Certainly I'm getting ahead of myself speculating about Buzz since his run isn't over, but do you really think he won't go back home to take the helm at Texas at the drop of a hat? Look at his coaching career. One of these things is not like the other. Whether or not UT fires Barnes is another question....

What is this about? He was an assistant coach moving around for the best hires, plus the coaches he was under were moving. The UNO thing is kinda messed up, they basically told him that they wouldn't be able to fund/support the program at the same level anymore.

All I meant is that Buzz was born, raised, went to school in and has spent 76% of his coaching career in Texas or a contiguous state (OK, LA, and, yes, I'm counting CO). Texans are a special breed of people that view Texas as something akin to a country apart form the United States. Maybe Buzz is different, but every Texan I've ever met talks constantly about moving back to Texas. With the 12th largest basketball budget in the country, the 3rd largest in the Big 12, and a ton of local talent, UT is a bit of a sleeping giant. At some point they'll wake up to that fact and start demanding more if Barnes doesn't turn things around in a year or two. It's a job with a ton of upside and far, far less pressure than a UCLA type gig.

(03-29-2013 07:46 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 07:40 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 12:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Only difference is VCU's coach has said he's staying. Butler's coach- not so much.

He's turned down as many suiters as Shaka has. Who's to say he isn't doing the same thing Smart did and is using the Bruins to get a new deal for himself? Isn't that a likely outcome?

It's very possible. However, it's kind of surprising that we haven't seen him say he's staying- that him and Butler haven't worked something out yet.. The longer this goes, the more possible it is that he leaves.

You almost have to wonder what the money situation is at Butler. They have had to A- pay a lot of money to get out/and enter 2 conferences(2.7 million just for A10)- and b- forgo a lot of conference revenue over the last 2 years. Money doesn't just grow on trees.

You don't give up your leverage in renegotiations and say you are staying before the new deal is worked out. Also, UCLA was working on Smart, now they are working on Stevens. Smart JUST got his deal done less than 48 hours ago. Geez talk about instant gratification.

Stevens is in the Big East a power conference while Smart is in the A-10, which is not. They will have plenty of money soon enough and guaranteed money isn't always paid right then and there. Do you know who the NY Mets highest paid outfielder is this season? Bobby freakin' Bonilla! That guys hasn't played in over a decade. There are plenty of ways to structure contracts. Just because right this minute you don't have a ton of cash doesn't mean you wont always be broke.

It's a lot different between baseball and college coaching contracts. Also, what Smart did was get a lot of money for his assistants and also other periphial items like travel.

And you'll have to admit- the longer it plays out, the more of a chance Stevens leaves.

I'm not saying he us definitely staying, I'm just saying its pretty premature to say that since its been a week since his season ended and he hasn't screamed from the mountain tops that he's staying is some sign that he's leaving is silly.

Coaches contracts are different but it isn't like you painted that because butler has had to pay two sets if exit fees in two years means they can't afford him.

Also for folks who think he'll fit in at UCLA. Do you think the bruins will be okay with a team if 9 white kids playing a slower tempo style? If he does take the job I see him there for no more than 4 years. The first sign if trouble and he's out the door for the next hot young coach.

(03-29-2013 09:17 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 08:48 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 07:28 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

Certainly I'm getting ahead of myself speculating about Buzz since his run isn't over, but do you really think he won't go back home to take the helm at Texas at the drop of a hat? Look at his coaching career. One of these things is not like the other. Whether or not UT fires Barnes is another question....

What is this about? He was an assistant coach moving around for the best hires, plus the coaches he was under were moving. The UNO thing is kinda messed up, they basically told him that they wouldn't be able to fund/support the program at the same level anymore.

All I meant is that Buzz was born, raised, went to school in and has spent 76% of his coaching career in Texas or a contiguous state (OK, LA, and, yes, I'm counting CO). Texans are a special breed of people that view Texas as something akin to a country apart form the United States. Maybe Buzz is different, but every Texan I've ever met talks constantly about moving back to Texas. With the 12th largest basketball budget in the country, the 3rd largest in the Big 12, and a ton of local talent, UT is a bit of a sleeping giant. At some point they'll wake up to that fact and start demanding more if Barnes doesn't turn things around in a year or two. It's a job with a ton of upside and far, far less pressure than a UCLA type gig.

Gotcha thought you were insinuating that he moves around a lot. I've just read that a lot recently as some type of reasoning for why Buzz would move on.

(03-29-2013 08:55 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 08:46 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 07:28 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how VCU fans think that other coaches can leave but not their coach!

Uh, no one thinks that. Ultimately, I don't think Brad leaves Butler for UCLA, but unless you think the reporting about Shaka is some kind of lie/smokescreen, it's indisputable that, yes, Shaka is staying, and no Brad hasn't confirmed that he's staying.

Certainly I'm getting ahead of myself speculating about Buzz since his run isn't over, but do you really think he won't go back home to take the helm at Texas at the drop of a hat? Look at his coaching career. One of these things is not like the other. Whether or not UT fires Barnes is another question....

Drop of the hat is a little ridiculous, Texas is gonna have to do some courting. But yes that's the one that most scares us. Any blue blood and huge/national state schools should scare anyone. Some are better fits than others (Stevens at UCLA makes sense to me, I couldn't see UCLA loving Buzz' schtick). At some point, hopefully he has won enough and built the culture here up so much that he doesn't want to start from scratch.

Go the Fighting Rick Barnes'!

The thing for Buzz would be if he got in a position where he felt like he's done all he could do at Marqette. Same goes with Stevens at Butler and Smart at VCU. You bring up a great point for really all 3 of them- have they won enough and built the culture up enough to where they don't want to move and start over.

And are they getting (or missing) a lot of their top recruiting targets as they get into more Top 30, 20 homes.

I think this goes back to part of the expansion talk for the Big East. I feel confident Coach Stevens isn't going anywhere. Coach Williams I think also is very happy, and with the schools they are aligning, feel he could find that comfort in staying put.

VCU locked up Smart. I hope WSU is working on a no-brainer extension for Marshall.

I see FGCU Coach Enfield being a possible candidate for UCLA. Younger guy. Model Wife. Very personable.

(03-29-2013 12:27 PM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote:  I think this goes back to part of the expansion talk for the Big East. I feel confident Coach Stevens isn't going anywhere. Coach Williams I think also is very happy, and with the schools they are aligning, feel he could find that comfort in staying put.

VCU locked up Smart. I hope WSU is working on a no-brainer extension for Marshall.

I see FGCU Coach Enfield being a possible candidate for UCLA. Younger guy. Model Wife. Very personable.

There would literally be angry mobs at the gates of the AD's house if this happened. It's out of the box, that's for sure, but UCLA boosters want and expect Wooden Part Two: Electric Bruin Boogaloo. No way in hell they settle for a guy with such a thin resume.

I think an older established closer to the end of his career takes the UCLA job. Younger guys don't want to be fired from a place like UCLA so early in their careers.