(03-06-2013 02:20 PM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 01:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Fox forced US to take the agreement.

If so, they also sweetened the pot from earlier reports.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.1279971

"The new league is reportedly close to signing a 12-year, $500 million deal with Fox Sports that will pay each team close to $4 million."

That's the same number they had before...

Also- those numbers don't support for a 12 team league getting close to 4 million dollars..
500 million/12 years is 41.67 million per year
10 teams would be 4.167 mil per year
12 teams would be 3.472 mil per year

(03-06-2013 02:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 02:20 PM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 01:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Fox forced US to take the agreement.

If so, they also sweetened the pot from earlier reports.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.1279971

"The new league is reportedly close to signing a 12-year, $500 million deal with Fox Sports that will pay each team close to $4 million."

That's the same number they had before...

Also- those numbers don't support for a 12 team league getting close to 4 million dollars..
500 million/12 years is 41.67 million per year
10 teams would be 4.167 mil per year
12 teams would be 3.472 mil per year

Maybe he rounded off the actual final number to 500 when it's actually something like 504.3 million or something like that.

(03-06-2013 02:28 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 02:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 02:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 01:47 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 01:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Fox forced US to take the agreement.

Wanting us to start next year and wanting a certain team in is two very different things. Especially when they are going to compensate us for leaving early. The loss we are taking in accepting the deal isn't as bad when Fox gives us some extra money. There is big difference between starting next season and demanding teams getting in.

You have to go back to the start of this thread:
There are rumors spreading the Fox is working on adding a surprise team or two to have include with the Big East offical announcement.

That makes it seem as if Fox wants BOTH starting next year AND wanting a certain team or two in the league.

Dude, it's an internet rumor.

Did you hear the rumor that Fox wants GTown to play all it's games at 1am PST?

Yeah, I mean it's a fun hypothetical, every loves Gonzaga for strictly basketball purposes (the problem is there really isn't any such thing as a "basketball-only" member, as any invite to them needs to take into account the problems of bringing in all of their other sports), and message boards would be largely dead without conspiracy theories about TV networks' behind-the-scenes machinations, but there isn't any other substantiation of this rumor at all. Until a deal is signed and new members are officially announced, there are going to be rumblings of what Fox wants, which is understandable, but I think people are way too caught up in thinking that the C7 is just going to make short-term decisions based on that. All-in-all, I'd be shocked if it is anything other than what we've been hearing from the mainstream media: Xavier, Butler and Creighton for 2013 and then SLU and Dayton for 2014. The only realistic wild card seems to be if Richmond is swapped out for SLU or Dayton (and I think Dayton is the odd school out in that scenario as that's an area where Fox is more likely to throw its weight around).

In this day and age- NOTHING should shock anyone with regards to realignment. NOTHING. I mean would be THAT shocking if VCU got in over Dayton given everything that VCU has done? Not really to me at all and shouldn't be to many.

Also folks need to look at things from Fox's perspective. They MUST make a splash with this. I think if you guys were honest you could see them trying to pull strings to get the best teams in right now.

(03-06-2013 02:39 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 02:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 02:20 PM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 01:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Fox forced US to take the agreement.

If so, they also sweetened the pot from earlier reports.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.1279971

"The new league is reportedly close to signing a 12-year, $500 million deal with Fox Sports that will pay each team close to $4 million."

That's the same number they had before...

Also- those numbers don't support for a 12 team league getting close to 4 million dollars..
500 million/12 years is 41.67 million per year
10 teams would be 4.167 mil per year
12 teams would be 3.472 mil per year

Maybe he rounded off the actual final number to 500 when it's actually something like 504.3 million or something like that.

For it to be 4 million per school per year, it would take 576 million dollars.

(03-06-2013 02:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  That's the same number they had before...

Also- those numbers don't support for a 12 team league getting close to 4 million dollars..
500 million/12 years is 41.67 million per year
10 teams would be 4.167 mil per year
12 teams would be 3.472 mil per year

At least, at $41.67 million, it is beyond the $30-40 million range we were seeing reported most recently, and were discussing on this board. Maybe its a 10 team league and the conference is taking a cut. Maybe its an 11 team league at $3.788 million per. That's close to $4 million. Maybe $500 million is rounded down from $549,999,999.

(03-06-2013 02:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think if you guys were honest you could see them trying to pull strings to get the best teams in right now.

I could honestly see Fox working behind the scened to make a huge splash. I completely agree with you there. We disagree on who such a "splash" would be. I don't consider VCU a "splash" candidate. Same for SLU, Dayton, Richmond, Siena or Detroit. Given what has happened to the C7, I also agree with Frank that such a splash candidate would have to fit with what the C7 presidents want to see the league become, basketball and beyond.

But I am with you part-way.

If you are a Fox executive, the teams you "want" are the teams that bring incremental eye balls in unaffected markets. Hell, if you want a simple test, if anyone can get the data just look at overnights for the various teams over a cross section on months in places like LA or Denver.

If you can get pop 3000 miles away, Fox (or whatever network) likes you.

I'm certain that this would be EXTREMELY highly correlated with NCAA Tournament success and/or national rating. The "riskiness" of the pop, would just relate to some measure of consistency in those two things. (ie no one not included in the 10 is going to make much of a difference to network people trying to sell time)

(03-06-2013 02:59 PM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 02:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think if you guys were honest you could see them trying to pull strings to get the best teams in right now.

I could honestly see Fox working behind the scened to make a huge splash. I completely agree with you there. We disagree on who such a "splash" would be. I don't consider VCU a "splash" candidate. Same for SLU, Dayton, Richmond, Sienna or Detroit. Given what has happened to the C7, I also agree with Frank that such a splash candidate would have to fit with what the C7 presidents want to see the league become, basketball and beyond.

But I am with you part-way.

To me though- outside of Gonzaga(taking out Xavier and Butler obviously), VCU would be the most "splash" candidate out there. Final 4 2 years ago, nearly a sweet 16 last year(barely losing to Indiana), and this year looking prime for a good NCAA run as a top 20 team. Who else is out there taking out Gonzaga, Xavier, and Butler for making a splash? SLU, Dayton, Detroit, Siena, Richmond- they provide absolutely no splash at all right now. MAYBE SLU with their feel good story, but that is it.

Also, I think what the c7 presidents are most adverse to is not public at all, but rather football.

In the context of the last two months, a "splash" (if true) at this point would have to be #1 Gonzaga. Because the other schools, including VCU, have been part of the discussion the whole time.

As it stands now, the C-7 next year will feature standings-wise the Top 2 teams in the 2012 Big East, the champion of 2012 A-10, the champion of the 2012 Missouri Valley, and possibly the champion of the 2012 West Coast Conference. Wow.

They are most definitely adverse to Football. From what I understand, Richmond had to show them how their new stadium was basically unexpandable beyond a few more thousand to ensure to them that there was no chance that the Spiders were looking beyond their current FCS level.

(03-06-2013 03:35 PM)billyjack Wrote:  As it stands now, the C-7 next year will feature standings-wise the Top 2 teams in the 2012 Big East, the champion of 2012 A-10, the champion of the 2012 Missouri Valley, and possibly the champion of the 2012 West Coast Conference. Wow.

and a team that has won or shared 9 A-10 regular season championships since the 1995-96 season when they entered that conference.

(03-06-2013 03:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  To me though- outside of Gonzaga(taking out Xavier and Butler obviously), VCU would be the most "splash" candidate out there. Final 4 2 years ago, nearly a sweet 16 last year(barely losing to Indiana), and this year looking prime for a good NCAA run as a top 20 team. Who else is out there taking out Gonzaga, Xavier, and Butler for making a splash? SLU, Dayton, Detroit, Siena, Richmond- they provide absolutely no splash at all right now. MAYBE SLU with their feel good story, but that is it.

Also, I think what the c7 presidents are most adverse to is not public at all, but rather football.

I don't see VCU, SLU, Dayton, Detroit, Siena or Richmond as splash candidates. I don't think any even make ripples when they hit the pond.

I think the C7 presidents are averse to both FBS football *and* public schools. Both are negatives here.

(03-06-2013 05:13 PM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 03:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  To me though- outside of Gonzaga(taking out Xavier and Butler obviously), VCU would be the most "splash" candidate out there. Final 4 2 years ago, nearly a sweet 16 last year(barely losing to Indiana), and this year looking prime for a good NCAA run as a top 20 team. Who else is out there taking out Gonzaga, Xavier, and Butler for making a splash? SLU, Dayton, Detroit, Siena, Richmond- they provide absolutely no splash at all right now. MAYBE SLU with their feel good story, but that is it.

Also, I think what the c7 presidents are most adverse to is not public at all, but rather football.

I don't see VCU, SLU, Dayton, Detroit, Siena or Richmond as splash candidates. I don't think any even make ripples when they hit the pond.

How can you say that when VCU made the final four 2 years ago, and has backed it up with 2 great years following that. Shaka Smart was all over ESPN's website on Saturday after the game. The others I agree with you- they are no splashes at all. But as much as you and the others want to ignore VCU- they have some name just from the final 4 spot.

Bottom line, if VCU isn't a splash candidate- no one is a splash candidate outside of Gonzaga.

(03-06-2013 05:21 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think the C7 presidents are averse to both FBS football *and* public schools. Both are negatives here.

I think it's FBS football WAY more than public. I mean, if UConn hadn't gone to play FBS football they'd be with us right now with no qualms at all.

(03-06-2013 05:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 05:21 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think the C7 presidents are averse to both FBS football *and* public schools. Both are negatives here.

I think it's FBS football WAY more than public. I mean, if UConn hadn't gone to play FBS football they'd be with us right now with no qualms at all.

Maybe more, but I wouldn't characterize it as "WAY" more. UConn has history with all of these schools, so sure, if they didn't play FBS football and wanted to come along, the C7 wouldn't have had an issue with them. However, that's a very narrow exception to the general rule. I don't think it's a coincidence that VCU is literally the only public school that has even gotten a sniff of any consideration. It's like when NFL teams bastardize the Rooney Rule in interviewing people for coaching positions that they have no intention of hiring. You can say all day that the C7 isn't bothered by public schools, but when only 1 has been considered and, by every reputable account, won't be offered an invite, then the proof is in their actions.

(03-06-2013 03:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 02:59 PM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 02:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think if you guys were honest you could see them trying to pull strings to get the best teams in right now.

I could honestly see Fox working behind the scened to make a huge splash. I completely agree with you there. We disagree on who such a "splash" would be. I don't consider VCU a "splash" candidate. Same for SLU, Dayton, Richmond, Sienna or Detroit. Given what has happened to the C7, I also agree with Frank that such a splash candidate would have to fit with what the C7 presidents want to see the league become, basketball and beyond.

But I am with you part-way.

To me though- outside of Gonzaga(taking out Xavier and Butler obviously), VCU would be the most "splash" candidate out there. Final 4 2 years ago, nearly a sweet 16 last year(barely losing to Indiana), and this year looking prime for a good NCAA run as a top 20 team. Who else is out there taking out Gonzaga, Xavier, and Butler for making a splash? SLU, Dayton, Detroit, Siena, Richmond- they provide absolutely no splash at all right now. MAYBE SLU with their feel good story, but that is it.

Also, I think what the c7 presidents are most adverse to is not public at all, but rather football.

So you are saying that you are IN FAVOR of adding VCU?
When did you have the change of heart?

Heck, looking at who they are rumored to be offering, not being catholic is almost as bad as being public. I realize Butler is getting in as a non catholic private, but all they had to do was go to back to back championship games. I wonder if UR was catholic, would they have a much better chance of being school #12? They would most likely have so many more connections with the eastern 5 than they currently do.

(03-06-2013 05:38 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 05:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 05:21 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think the C7 presidents are averse to both FBS football *and* public schools. Both are negatives here.

I think it's FBS football WAY more than public. I mean, if UConn hadn't gone to play FBS football they'd be with us right now with no qualms at all.

Maybe more, but I wouldn't characterize it as "WAY" more. UConn has history with all of these schools, so sure, if they didn't play FBS football and wanted to come along, the C7 wouldn't have had an issue with them. However, that's a very narrow exception to the general rule. I don't think it's a coincidence that VCU is literally the only public school that has even gotten a sniff of any consideration. It's like when NFL teams bastardize the Rooney Rule in interviewing people for coaching positions that they have no intention of hiring. You can say all day that the C7 isn't bothered by public schools, but when only 1 has been considered and, by every reputable account, won't be offered an invite, then the proof is in their actions.

Realistically though, what other public non FBS playing school is remotely good enough to be considered? I can't think of any really at all.