(03-04-2013 08:26 PM)bostonspider Wrote:  You need to play your basketball in your "home" conference. If Gonzaga wants to be in the Big East for basketball, they need to bring all their sports that the Big East offers. Football tds to be the only sport that you are allowed to split off if you offer a different level of scholarships.

I also thought this was the case, but when rending in another thread yesterday, I couldn't find it in the NCAA bylaws. Do you have a link or a bylaw number?

Thanks in advance.

Anyone who thinks adding Gonzaga to the new Big East isn't thinking long term. When building a new conference you need to think about 10 years from now, not just today. Yeah, it would be neat to add the #1 team in the country, and Gonzaga fits the type of school the new Big East wants to add. But what if Gonzaga slips. What if in 10 years they are average at best? Then every C7 team will wish that they never invited them. The logistics simply doesn't work. Yes, Gonzaga has been good for awhile, but that doesn't mean they'll be good forever. Remember, DePaul was once good before back in the day. Now they suck. Creighton should be as far west as they go. Add Xaiver, Butler, and Creighton, for year 1. If they want to add 2 more, add St.Louis and a give an opportunity to a smaller school like Sienna or Detroit. I'd hate to raid all of the A-10's best schools. And say no to VCU. Keep the conference with similar linked schools. VCU is a huge school. The conference should be kept with all smaller schools.

(03-04-2013 09:32 PM)BigBCherney Wrote:  And say no to VCU. Keep the conference with similar linked schools. VCU is a huge school. The conference should be kept with all smaller schools.

Small schools like St Johns (21k), Depaul (25k), and Georgetown (17k?)? I think maybe you meant something else.

(03-04-2013 09:32 PM)BigBCherney Wrote:  Anyone who thinks adding Gonzaga to the new Big East isn't thinking long term. When building a new conference you need to think about 10 years from now, not just today. Yeah, it would be neat to add the #1 team in the country, and Gonzaga fits the type of school the new Big East wants to add. But what if Gonzaga slips. What if in 10 years they are average at best? Then every C7 team will wish that they never invited them. The logistics simply doesn't work. Yes, Gonzaga has been good for awhile, but that doesn't mean they'll be good forever. Remember, DePaul was once good before back in the day. Now they suck. Creighton should be as far west as they go. Add Xaiver, Butler, and Creighton, for year 1. If they want to add 2 more, add St.Louis and a give an opportunity to a smaller school like Sienna or Detroit. I'd hate to raid all of the A-10's best schools. And say no to VCU. Keep the conference with similar linked schools. VCU is a huge school. The conference should be kept with all smaller schools.

If not VCU, then who?

As for VCU being huge, their enrollment isn't much bigger,than DePaul's and St. John's isn't far behind.

But bottom line, why and how would Gonzaga's membership hurt the cruces of the conference 10 years down the road.

First impressions go a long way. Adding a #1 Gonzaga would make one heckuva first impression. Having said that, however, I don't think it's happening.

Just as foolish as the Big East adding TCU, Boise State and SD State. Neither played a down in the conference or 1 basketball game before the league fell apart.

(03-05-2013 12:36 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Just as foolish as the Big East adding TCU, Boise State and SD State. Neither played a down in the conference or 1 basketball game before the league fell apart.

VCU wasn't considered. Very early in the process some Athletic Department level people interjected them. Once it got to the University level, they haven't been in the conversation (basically when this all started).

Whenever the two additional teams eventually get added, I still believe you are looking at SLU and Richmond.

The Big East was first created with many smaller type schools that focused mainly on basketball. To suggest that they need Gonzaga or a team like VCU to fill out the conference doesn't add up. You could add a smaller team like Sienna or Detroit and they'll instantly become a better program, and won't hurt the conference as a whole.

(03-05-2013 08:47 AM)Title Wrote:  

(03-05-2013 12:36 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Just as foolish as the Big East adding TCU, Boise State and SD State. Neither played a down in the conference or 1 basketball game before the league fell apart.

VCU wasn't considered. Very early in the process some Athletic Department level people interjected them. Once it got to the University level, they haven't been in the conversation (basically when this all started).

Whenever the two additional teams eventually get added, I still believe you are looking at SLU and Richmond.

We added Richmond, Dayton is the real 12th team.

I don't think it's over yet on the specific adds. I think Fox is still working things out. And I do think the NCAA could have a huge impact...

And was looking- VCU in the current ESPN bracketology has a very favorable bracket. I mean Colorado/New Mexico/Michigan/Gonzaga. To me, of all the 6's- VCU would have by far the most favorable.

(03-05-2013 10:51 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think it's over yet on the specific adds. I think Fox is still working things out. And I do think the NCAA could have a huge impact...

And was looking- VCU in the current ESPN bracketology has a very favorable bracket. I mean Colorado/New Mexico/Michigan/Gonzaga. To me, of all the 6's- VCU would have by far the most favorable.

You can think whatever you want but by the end of the week we could know who we will be adding.

It would be nice if would could get rid off the door mats of the new Conference such as Depaul, Seton Hall and St. John's.

(03-05-2013 01:30 PM)HoyaAnt Wrote:  It would be nice if would could get rid off the door mats of the new Conference such as Depaul, Seton Hall and St. John's.

Yeah we would be much better off NOT being in NYC or Chicago. Maybe then you can tap into that all important Richmond market. hahahahaha Go away troll.

(03-05-2013 01:30 PM)HoyaAnt Wrote:  It would be nice if would could get rid off the door mats of the new Conference such as Depaul, Seton Hall and St. John's.

Not sure why a Georgetown fan is trolling.

We already lost Syracuse. Why on earth any Hoya fan would want to lose St. John's as a rival is beyond me.

And this is just a general statement for all fans who are pissed at weak teams in their conference. No matter how many teams you put in a conference you will end up with bad teams because not every team in a conference can be good.

If you started the All Star League of Duke, Indiana, Gonzaga, Michigan, Georgetown, and Miami. At least 2 of those schools would end up with a losing conference record.

Nah, I posted that comment trying to be funny. Believe me, If Gtown were to leave the Big East, St. JOHN'S would follow us. St. John's has an opportunity to lock-up the NYC recruiting market. The one big problem though, many of the NYC recruits have been leaving the state for Prep schooll which explains why it's been a while since NYC hasn't produce an McDonald's aemerican in a couple of years which includes this year too. However, next year the drought will end as a Big Man from the Bronx will be selected. Unfortunately for St. John's, he is heading to Syracuse. I believe his name is Tate, the kid can flat out ball. In case you are wondering, I live like 10 minutes away from St. John's campus.

(03-05-2013 04:01 PM)HoyaAnt Wrote:  Nah, I posted that comment trying to be funny. Believe me, If Gtown were to leave the Big East, St. JOHN'S would follow us. St. John's has an opportunity to lock-up the NYC recruiting market. The one big problem though, many of the NYC recruits have been leaving the state for Prep schooll which explains why it's been a while since NYC hasn't produce an McDonald's aemerican in a couple of years which includes this year too. However, next year the drought will end as a Big Man from the Bronx will be selected. Unfortunately for St. John's, he is heading to Syracuse. I believe his name is Tate, the kid can flat out ball. In case you are wondering, I live like 10 minutes away from St. John's campus.

Well we dont really recruit NYC kids since they all want to leave anyway. We get good kids from everywhere else who want to go away for school.

Oh an we might not have had a McD's all star but we had a first round pick in Moe harkless.

Unless the BE wants to go to a completely western division and I don't see that happening, then Gonzaga could come along.

West: Gonzaga, Portland, San Fran, BYU, Denver, Creighton
Central: St. Louis, Marquette, DePaul, Butler, Xavier, Dayton
East: Holy Cross, Providence, Seton Hall, St, John's, GTown, Nova

That would be a conference in hoops with 8-10 bids a year.

I don't think it's trolling, there is a whole generation of Georgetown fans who could care less about the rivalry with STJ. Would love that to change, but it is reality.

(03-05-2013 05:45 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Unless the BE wants to go to a completely western division and I don't see that happening, then Gonzaga could come along.

West: Gonzaga, Portland, San Fran, BYU, Denver, Creighton
Central: St. Louis, Marquette, DePaul, Butler, Xavier, Dayton
East: Holy Cross, Providence, Seton Hall, St, John's, GTown, Nova

That would be a conference in hoops with 8-10 bids a year.

Holy Cross????

(03-05-2013 05:59 PM)monroedoctrine Wrote:  I don't think it's trolling, there is a whole generation of Georgetown fans who could care less about the rivalry with STJ. Would love that to change, but it is reality.

Thats fine, but as a conference saying lets lose the NYC and Chicago market?

Also he already said he was joking, though not a good one since everyone thought he was serious.