(02-21-2013 09:31 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 08:20 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 08:12 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 08:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 07:57 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how you can see into the future. You can tell that the glory of VCU will live on forever and Richmond will only sink deeper into the abyss.

Nothing I've seen from Richmond suggests they will be able to compete consistently at all in the C7. What I've seen in the last 10 years for VCU leads me to think they can compete in the C7. HUGE difference there.

Bottom line, if you switch the basketball resume's right now- Richmond is a LOCK for the conference. PERIOD. The ONLY reason why Richmond gets in and VCU doesn't- Richmond Private. That's idiotic.

Xavier, Butler, VCU, Creighton, Dayton > Xavier, Butler, Richmond, Dayton, SLU. By a lot.

It makes sense, though, from Georgetown's perspective if Fox is just going to blindly cut a check for 12. The money's in hand, so I'd want just enough talent for it not to be joke, but not enough that I wouldn't be a lock year-in, year-out for the tourney.

I don't think it's Georgetown necessarily. I think it's the wimps at DePaul, Providence, Seton Hall, and yes, St John's. They don't want to bring in 5 very good programs which would make their programs once again irrelevant. They know they can't compete with the big boys so they're going to rig this.

dude what us with your obsession with vcu? the article clearly states that GEORGETOWN is leading the push for Richmond. yet you dont want to acknowledge that point. you are so blind with your fixation on vcu that you refuse to even entertain the possibilty that another school may be a better fit. why dont you wait for the FACTS to come out before you go around calling depaul, providence, seton hall and st johns wimps. why didnt you include villanova on that rant since they are also "an eastern c7 member"? better yet what about your own georgetown? that school was actualy named as leading the charge for richmond. this has been rumored for quite awhile and if you believe jersey guy it was just confirmed

I think we've all proved Jersey Guy is pretty much a hack....

(02-21-2013 09:32 PM)Title Wrote:  What are you talking about?

2/3s of the teams the teams from above: Butler, Richmond, and Xavier, lack Catholic charters.

I understand you are Wichita State fan, but it was never happening. It may take years but if you make yourself attractive, at some point, an appropriate league will form and it'll be your time.

Either you're splitting hairs in the extreme or totally clueless. How is Xavier not Catholic?

since one side wants richmond and another creighton, why not compromise and add both/ throw in st louis to even it out

(02-21-2013 09:32 PM)Title Wrote:  What are you talking about?

2/3s of the teams the teams from above: Butler, Richmond, and Xavier, lack Catholic charters.

I understand you are Wichita State fan, but it was never happening. It may take years but if you make yourself attractive, at some point, an appropriate league will form and it'll be your time.

I don't think you understand my perspective. As a Wichita State fan, I should be HOPING the league goes with Dayton/Richmond/Saint Louis. That would allow Wichita State and Creighton to jump to the A10 with VCU, which probably would be the best solution possible for them. If the league only goes to 10 and takes Xavier, Butler, and Richmond, that is even better.

So please understand that I am not angry or upset for what you have said, because it all likelihood it would be good for my school. I just think you are wrong about how much being a public school hurts VCU. In my mind, that is not the primary consideration for the league, in the same way that not being Catholic won't hurt Butler or kill Richmond's chances.

(02-21-2013 09:38 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 09:32 PM)Title Wrote:  What are you talking about?

2/3s of the teams the teams from above: Butler, Richmond, and Xavier, lack Catholic charters.

I understand you are Wichita State fan, but it was never happening. It may take years but if you make yourself attractive, at some point, an appropriate league will form and it'll be your time.

Either you're splitting hairs in the extreme or totally clueless. How is Xavier not Catholic?

Come on, that's just putting it on a T. Maybe VCU should mix in understanding fractions?

(02-21-2013 09:41 PM)Title Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 09:38 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 09:32 PM)Title Wrote:  What are you talking about?

2/3s of the teams the teams from above: Butler, Richmond, and Xavier, lack Catholic charters.

I understand you are Wichita State fan, but it was never happening. It may take years but if you make yourself attractive, at some point, an appropriate league will form and it'll be your time.

Either you're splitting hairs in the extreme or totally clueless. How is Xavier not Catholic?

Come on, that's just putting it on a T. Maybe VCU should mix in understanding fractions?

One, its "tee" and, two, the schools being discussed "above" included Xavier, Butler, VCU, Creighton, Dayton, Richmond and SLU. I think Gonzaga might have even been referenced. If you're not gonna bother quoting in your reply, at least "2/3s of the following..." would have made some sense, but we've all been talking about the totality of the adds. Like I said, you're holding all the cards here so why keep playing? Seems like a big waste of time for a connected big shot.

Lets just all calm down because we are getting worked up over Jersey Guy who is the well known voice of Aresco. No one knows for sure how things will turn out. Lets all just take a depth breathe and be happy we are not the nBE.

(02-21-2013 09:58 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Lets just all calm down because we are getting worked up over Jersey Guy who is the well known voice of Aresco. No one knows for sure how things will turn out. Lets all just take a depth breathe and be happy we are not the nBE.

All of the "candidates" have been getting worked up over any mention of anyone. You could probably quote some random Joe off the street who says the league will be 24 teams, and team #25 will be up in arms.

(02-21-2013 10:05 PM)LouPower Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 09:58 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Lets just all calm down because we are getting worked up over Jersey Guy who is the well known voice of Aresco. No one knows for sure how things will turn out. Lets all just take a depth breathe and be happy we are not the nBE.

All of the "candidates" have been getting worked up over any mention of anyone. You could probably quote some random Joe off the street who says the league will be 24 teams, and team #25 will be up in arms.

yeah, that's the dreaded Robert Morris vs Iona debate that we've been waiting to have :)

(02-21-2013 10:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:05 PM)LouPower Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 09:58 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Lets just all calm down because we are getting worked up over Jersey Guy who is the well known voice of Aresco. No one knows for sure how things will turn out. Lets all just take a depth breathe and be happy we are not the nBE.

All of the "candidates" have been getting worked up over any mention of anyone. You could probably quote some random Joe off the street who says the league will be 24 teams, and team #25 will be up in arms.

yeah, that's the dreaded Robert Morris vs Iona debate that we've been waiting to have :)

I heard Grambling wants in too.

(02-21-2013 10:13 PM)LouPower Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:05 PM)LouPower Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 09:58 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Lets just all calm down because we are getting worked up over Jersey Guy who is the well known voice of Aresco. No one knows for sure how things will turn out. Lets all just take a depth breathe and be happy we are not the nBE.

All of the "candidates" have been getting worked up over any mention of anyone. You could probably quote some random Joe off the street who says the league will be 24 teams, and team #25 will be up in arms.

yeah, that's the dreaded Robert Morris vs Iona debate that we've been waiting to have :)

I heard Grambling wants in too.

Grambling makes NO sense when you could get Grinnell to go D1. Iowa is a better market and has more talent, AND Grinnell is always a hot media item for record-breaking 3 point shooting/single player high scores.

TAKE OFF YOUR BLINDERS, SHEEPLE!

Plus Grinnell is private.... I gotta go with the Galen on this one.

I will give Galen credit on this one. I was blinded by Grambling's recent success.

(02-21-2013 08:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 08:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 07:57 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 07:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 07:25 PM)Title Wrote:  Other than Richmond being superior in nearly every relevant factor, I agree.

except the most important factor, that being basketball. Richmond will never be much in basketball in the c7. never. They will be another DePaul or worse.

I love how you can see into the future. You can tell that the glory of VCU will live on forever and Richmond will only sink deeper into the abyss.

Nothing I've seen from Richmond suggests they will be able to compete consistently at all in the C7. What I've seen in the last 10 years for VCU leads me to think they can compete in the C7. HUGE difference there.

Bottom line, if you switch the basketball resume's right now- Richmond is a LOCK for the conference. PERIOD. The ONLY reason why Richmond gets in and VCU doesn't- Richmond Private. That's idiotic.

No thats not all, thats just all you can see. You think current success means future success when that is the furthest from the truth. You can see it in VCU looking average in the A-10. Throw them in the Big East and they are Seton Hall. You are letting accomplishments in the CAA blind you.

So much about VCU being average in the A-10. Can lock up 2nd place with a win next Saturday at Home vs Butler. Butler to me looks more average than VCU quite frankly, having only beaten 8-17 RI, 12-13 St Bonnies, 12-13 GW, 6-22 Fordham, and 8-18 Duquesne this month. Beaten 1 winning team in the last month overall(Temple), while losing 5 games to all winning teams.

(02-23-2013 06:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 08:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 08:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 07:57 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 07:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  except the most important factor, that being basketball. Richmond will never be much in basketball in the c7. never. They will be another DePaul or worse.

I love how you can see into the future. You can tell that the glory of VCU will live on forever and Richmond will only sink deeper into the abyss.

Nothing I've seen from Richmond suggests they will be able to compete consistently at all in the C7. What I've seen in the last 10 years for VCU leads me to think they can compete in the C7. HUGE difference there.

Bottom line, if you switch the basketball resume's right now- Richmond is a LOCK for the conference. PERIOD. The ONLY reason why Richmond gets in and VCU doesn't- Richmond Private. That's idiotic.

No thats not all, thats just all you can see. You think current success means future success when that is the furthest from the truth. You can see it in VCU looking average in the A-10. Throw them in the Big East and they are Seton Hall. You are letting accomplishments in the CAA blind you.

So much about VCU being average in the A-10. Can lock up 2nd place with a win next Saturday at Home vs Butler. Butler to me looks more average than VCU quite frankly, having only beaten 8-17 RI, 12-13 St Bonnies, 12-13 GW, 6-22 Fordham, and 8-18 Duquesne this month. Beaten 1 winning team in the last month overall(Temple), while losing 5 games to all winning teams.

You left out Butlers wins over Indiana and Marquette. VCU doesn't have a win anywhere close to either of those.

OOC and conference play are 2 totally different animals. Butler has gone 1-5 vs winning teams this month. VCU is 3-3 this month. Where you "worry" about a team like a Butler or VCU is now in a tougher conference, how do they respond late in the season-playing tougher teams back to back to back to back. Butler isn't. VCU has at least done average.

4 weeks ago- VCU was 39th in RPI and Butler was 10th. Now, VCU is 36th and Butler is 31st.

Case in point with VCU- they're in a stretch where they play #34 SLU, #98 Xavier, #31 Butler, #79 Richmond, and #48 Temple.

Oh, and actually VCU beating Memphis in the RPI is very close to the Marquette win. Memphis #18 in RPI, Marquette #14.

(02-23-2013 06:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  OOC and conference play are 2 totally different animals. Butler has gone 1-5 vs winning teams this month. VCU is 3-3 this month. Where you "worry" about a team like a Butler or VCU is now in a tougher conference, how do they respond late in the season-playing tougher teams back to back to back to back. Butler isn't. VCU has at least done average.

4 weeks ago- VCU was 39th in RPI and Butler was 10th. Now, VCU is 36th and Butler is 31st.

Case in point with VCU- they're in a stretch where they play #34 SLU, #98 Xavier, #31 Butler, #79 Richmond, and #48 Temple.

Oh, and actually VCU beating Memphis in the RPI is very close to the Marquette win. Memphis #18 in RPI, Marquette #14.

Will be worth noting the Kenpom and Sagarin numbers when they update with Saturday's game. Looking at SLU's final stretch, VCU has a reasonable chance of recapturing #1.

(02-23-2013 07:30 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 06:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  OOC and conference play are 2 totally different animals. Butler has gone 1-5 vs winning teams this month. VCU is 3-3 this month. Where you "worry" about a team like a Butler or VCU is now in a tougher conference, how do they respond late in the season-playing tougher teams back to back to back to back. Butler isn't. VCU has at least done average.

4 weeks ago- VCU was 39th in RPI and Butler was 10th. Now, VCU is 36th and Butler is 31st.

Case in point with VCU- they're in a stretch where they play #34 SLU, #98 Xavier, #31 Butler, #79 Richmond, and #48 Temple.

Oh, and actually VCU beating Memphis in the RPI is very close to the Marquette win. Memphis #18 in RPI, Marquette #14.

Will be worth noting the Kenpom and Sagarin numbers when they update with Saturday's game. Looking at SLU's final stretch, VCU has a reasonable chance of recapturing #1.

they might be the highest rpi team, but probably don't finish with the #1 seed, even if they win out. SLU would have to lose 2x and playing St Joes, GW, Xavier, and LaSalle- that's not likely to happen.

(02-23-2013 07:30 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 06:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  OOC and conference play are 2 totally different animals. Butler has gone 1-5 vs winning teams this month. VCU is 3-3 this month. Where you "worry" about a team like a Butler or VCU is now in a tougher conference, how do they respond late in the season-playing tougher teams back to back to back to back. Butler isn't. VCU has at least done average.

4 weeks ago- VCU was 39th in RPI and Butler was 10th. Now, VCU is 36th and Butler is 31st.

Case in point with VCU- they're in a stretch where they play #34 SLU, #98 Xavier, #31 Butler, #79 Richmond, and #48 Temple.

Oh, and actually VCU beating Memphis in the RPI is very close to the Marquette win. Memphis #18 in RPI, Marquette #14.

Will be worth noting the Kenpom and Sagarin numbers when they update with Saturday's game. Looking at SLU's final stretch, VCU has a reasonable chance of recapturing #1.

Yeah, the A-10 isn't decided yet by any means.

(02-23-2013 07:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 07:30 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 06:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  OOC and conference play are 2 totally different animals. Butler has gone 1-5 vs winning teams this month. VCU is 3-3 this month. Where you "worry" about a team like a Butler or VCU is now in a tougher conference, how do they respond late in the season-playing tougher teams back to back to back to back. Butler isn't. VCU has at least done average.

4 weeks ago- VCU was 39th in RPI and Butler was 10th. Now, VCU is 36th and Butler is 31st.

Case in point with VCU- they're in a stretch where they play #34 SLU, #98 Xavier, #31 Butler, #79 Richmond, and #48 Temple.

Oh, and actually VCU beating Memphis in the RPI is very close to the Marquette win. Memphis #18 in RPI, Marquette #14.

Will be worth noting the Kenpom and Sagarin numbers when they update with Saturday's game. Looking at SLU's final stretch, VCU has a reasonable chance of recapturing #1.

they might be the highest rpi team, but probably don't finish with the #1 seed, even if they win out. SLU would have to lose 2x and playing St Joes, GW, Xavier, and LaSalle- that's not likely to happen.

Dropping two is a definite possibility. X is like 50 and 3 at home and hasn't lost a conference game at home until tonight in 6-7 seasons, and St. Joes has the length to play over their bigs. Look at how Butler adjusted in their most recent loss against them.