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RE: My strategy if I were a Commissioner in the Five Major Conferences
My strategy in each case.


Big 12-
- Secure a major bowl for your #2 pick like the B1G and SEC did with the Orange.
- Work with FOX to understand how much potential expansion targets in the ACC, BE, and MWC are worth as well as BYU.
- Test the waters with them for a potential Big 12 minus TXOU network using pooled tier 3 inventory.
- Set up a plan to regularly renew the GOR at 5-6 year intervals if possible and if not already done.
-Push for a more formal research collaborative similar to the B1G's C.I.C. that would leverage the academic standing of the membership. It won't be the CIC but will help.


ACC-
- Secure a major bowl for your #2 pick like the B1G and SEC did with the Orange.
- Try any means neccessary to increase revenue.
-Try for a GOR to additionally solidify things.
-Push for a more formal research collaborative similar to the B1G's C.I.C. that would better leverage the academic standing of the membership into tangible returns.

Big Ten-
-Use leverage to pry free the best 2 teams available from a combined research and athletics perspective as full members. Aiming for 2 out of UNC, UVA, and GT. Take ND if they are interested but don't hold your breath.
- Add Johns Hopkins to the C.I.C. and start a lacrosse league to add spring content to the BTN.
-Find schools like one of the Dakotas or Boston U as an affiliate member for additional hockey content.

SEC-
- Take a school in NC and VA. Possibly take the UNC/Duke combo if you must to get UNC.
- Get the network off the ground and running.
- -Push for a more formal research collaborative similar to the B1G's C.I.C. that would leverage the academic standing of the membership. There has to be some clout from having Vandy, UF, UGA, TAMU, Mizzou, and others. It won't be the C.I.C. but it will help.

PAC-
- Secure a major bowl for your #2 pick like the B1G and SEC did with the Orange.
-Stay at 12 until the Big 12 GOR runs out.
-Get the network profitable.
-Improve any existing research collaborative or create one if it isn't already formalized.

Big East-
- Secure a major bowl for your #1 pick like the Big5 leagues did. Also see where you can get your #2 in. These can put significant distance between you and the other GO5 leagues.
- Sell your tv rights to maximize exposure in the short term which can build brands a la BSU and set you up for a bigger payday in 5-6 years.
- Get a GOR or higher reasonable exit fee if at all possible.
- Start a research collaboration to leverage UConn, SMU, Tulane, Temple, and others. This won't be nearly as strong as the CIC but can help distance you from other GO5 leagues.
- Get the best bowls you can and pursue a scheduling agreement with the MWC or a big5 league in football or hoops to maximize SOS and postseason chances/revenues.
- Expand to 12 with the most valuable addition factoring in tv revenue and travel cost.

MWC-
- Secure a major bowl for your #1 pick like the Big5 leagues did. Also see where you can get your #2 in. These can put significant distance between you and the other GO5 leagues.
- Sell your recently freed up tv rights to maximize exposure and revenue. The drawback to the MWC historically was exposure.
- Get a GOR or higher reasonable exit fee if at all possible.
- Start a research collaboration to leverage your stronger schools. This won't be nearly as strong as the CIC but can help distance you from other GO5 leagues.
- Get the best bowls you can and pursue a scheduling agreement with the BE or a big5 league in football or hoops to maximize SOS and postseason chances/revenues.

CUSA/Belt/MAC- Keep revenues high by any means available and do your best to keep ahead of the other 2. Stay in geographic regions to keep travel from killing you.
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RE: My strategy if I were a Commissioner in the Five Major Conferences
(02-20-2013 04:22 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
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(02-20-2013 12:07 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
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(02-20-2013 11:06 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  ACC- toughest job right now. Try to close ranks as much as possible, but realize that probably not much one can do about losing teams to the SEC and Big 10. Hope you lonly lose 2-4 teams and come up with a model to stave off the Big 12 feasting on leftovers. I would even consider adding Cincy and UConn now, so that if you lose 2 each to the SEC and Big 10, you may be left with a 12 team league, that while weakened, is still viable and may still be more attractive than the some what far away and division structure challenged Big 12 option.

i understand the "add 2 now to be sure to be at least 12 after the SEC and BIG raids" strategy - but shouldn't you go after west virginia and cincinnati (connecticut has nowhere to go - no rush). that reduces the big 12 to 9, while shoring up acc football and west virginia is the only "gettable" big 12 program because of their eastern geography (but no sure thing, i admit - just the acc's best available strategy).

assuming virginia and unc to BIG, virginia tech and ncsu to SEC, i assume notre dame doesn't stay, acc becomes:
north: bc, syracuse, pitt, cincinnati, louisville, west virginia
south: wake, duke, clemson, georgia tech, fsu, miami

big 12 is reduced to: texas, texas tech, baylor, tcu, oklahoma, oklahoma state, kansas, kansas state, iowa state

then hope the pac-12 comes back after texas, texas tech, oklahoma, and oklahoma state

big 12 is now: tcu, baylor, kansas, kansas state and iowa state

acc survives as a big 4; big 12 is diminished to gang of "6"

That's a good strategy if they were playing "Risk", but it is practically an impossibility since WVU has signed a GOR, will make more in the Big 12 than the ACC, and just moved legal mountains just to get into the Big 12 (which presumably would even be more comlex and expensive to get out). Plus WVU wouldn't know if the ACC was going to lose 2, 4 or 10 teams, and no need to burn the Big 12 bridge. Not to mention there is bad blood between WVU and the ACC.

Don't think WVU is an option for the ACC.

If the Big 10 and SEC grab UVA, UNC, NCSTATE, and VT there is NO WAY the money for the ACC is good enough to fend off a Big 12 raid.

What would happen at that point is the Big 12 offers FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT at least. If they demand 2 more we probably do that.

If you are those 4 southern ACC teams you'd be trading teams in the eastern time zone that (other than Duke & Wake) are 2+ states away for central time zone teams + WVU. Why stay and make less money if you can move with a mostly sensible geographic division.

If you added the southern 4 + UL + one of Duke, Pitt, or Cincy (depending on who TV and the presidents want) you'd take what they like from the ACC and raise the money.

I suspect you are right, but to quote Argo, they have to look for the best bad plan they can.

The reality is that they will probably add UConn and Cincy sooner or later. Why not now?

If they don't keep the payout even with where it is, adding them simply encourages teams to look around.
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RE: My strategy if I were a Commissioner in the Five Major Conferences
(02-20-2013 04:28 PM)S11 Wrote:  If they don't keep the payout even with where it is, adding them simply encourages teams to look around.

Maybe, but I doubt it would be much of a factor. If teams are going to leave a few million more one way or the other isn't going to be a big deal in the final equation.

Conference moves are going to be more about positioning oneself for the future structure of college athletics than money at this point, IMO.

And in that regard, I think that is why I would agree a team would bolt from the ACC to the Big 12 in an ACC minus 4 scenario, not money.

But back to the perspective of the ACC commish, you have two choices- be proactive or reactive. They chose proactive with the adds of Pitt/Syracuse and ND. I think a preemptive add of UConn/Cincy follows a similar strategy at this point.
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RE: My strategy if I were a Commissioner in the Five Major Conferences
(02-20-2013 04:51 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
(02-20-2013 04:28 PM)S11 Wrote:  If they don't keep the payout even with where it is, adding them simply encourages teams to look around.

Maybe, but I doubt it would be much of a factor. If teams are going to leave a few million more one way or the other isn't going to be a big deal in the final equation.

Conference moves are going to be more about positioning oneself for the future structure of college athletics than money at this point, IMO.

And in that regard, I think that is why I would agree a team would bolt from the ACC to the Big 12 in an ACC minus 4 scenario, not money.

But back to the perspective of the ACC commish, you have two choices- be proactive or reactive. They chose proactive with the adds of Pitt/Syracuse and ND. I think a preemptive add of UConn/Cincy follows a similar strategy at this point.

Revenue per school is the problem right now. Those two don't help. If the ACC is raided they can take them easily. The ACC will get a better deal than 2-3mm that the BE is getting even if it's only Pitt, UL, Cuse, BC, Wake, and Duke. That isn't too different than the BE that had 11mm offered to it once USF, Cincy, and UConn are added.

Being proactive here is either getting a GOR or getting a new revenue stream because expansion really isn't going to increase the pie without ND or another huge fish. It's only good to be proactive if it helps. Look at the WAC16. They should have stopped at a lower # and it might not have split.
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RE: My strategy if I were a Commissioner in the Five Major Conferences
(02-20-2013 04:25 PM)S11 Wrote:  My strategy in each case.


Big 12-
- Secure a major bowl for your #2 pick like the B1G and SEC did with the Orange.
- Work with FOX to understand how much potential expansion targets in the ACC, BE, and MWC are worth as well as BYU.
- Test the waters with them for a potential Big 12 minus TXOU network using pooled tier 3 inventory.
- Set up a plan to regularly renew the GOR at 5-6 year intervals if possible and if not already done.
-Push for a more formal research collaborative similar to the B1G's C.I.C. that would leverage the academic standing of the membership. It won't be the CIC but will help.

ACC-
- Secure a major bowl for your #2 pick like the B1G and SEC did with the Orange.
- Try any means neccessary to increase revenue.
-Try for a GOR to additionally solidify things.
-Push for a more formal research collaborative similar to the B1G's C.I.C. that would better leverage the academic standing of the membership into tangible returns.

Big Ten-
-Use leverage to pry free the best 2 teams available from a combined research and athletics perspective as full members. Aiming for 2 out of UNC, UVA, and GT. Take ND if they are interested but don't hold your breath.
- Add Johns Hopkins to the C.I.C. and start a lacrosse league to add spring content to the BTN.
-Find schools like one of the Dakotas or Boston U as an affiliate member for additional hockey content.

SEC-
- Take a school in NC and VA. Possibly take the UNC/Duke combo if you must to get UNC.
- Get the network off the ground and running.
- -Push for a more formal research collaborative similar to the B1G's C.I.C. that would leverage the academic standing of the membership. There has to be some clout from having Vandy, UF, UGA, TAMU, Mizzou, and others. It won't be the C.I.C. but it will help.

PAC-
- Secure a major bowl for your #2 pick like the B1G and SEC did with the Orange.
-Stay at 12 until the Big 12 GOR runs out.
-Get the network profitable.
-Improve any existing research collaborative or create one if it isn't already formalized.

Big East-
- Secure a major bowl for your #1 pick like the Big5 leagues did. Also see where you can get your #2 in. These can put significant distance between you and the other GO5 leagues.
- Sell your tv rights to maximize exposure in the short term which can build brands a la BSU and set you up for a bigger payday in 5-6 years.

- Get a GOR or higher reasonable exit fee if at all possible.
- Start a research collaboration to leverage UConn, SMU, Tulane, Temple, and others. This won't be nearly as strong as the CIC but can help distance you from other GO5 leagues.
- Get the best bowls you can and pursue a scheduling agreement with the MWC or a big5 league in football or hoops to maximize SOS and postseason chances/revenues.
- Expand to 12 with the most valuable addition factoring in tv revenue and travel cost.

MWC-
- Secure a major bowl for your #1 pick like the Big5 leagues did. Also see where you can get your #2 in. These can put significant distance between you and the other GO5 leagues.

- Sell your recently freed up tv rights to maximize exposure and revenue. The drawback to the MWC historically was exposure.
- Get a GOR or higher reasonable exit fee if at all possible.
- Start a research collaboration to leverage your stronger schools. This won't be nearly as strong as the CIC but can help distance you from other GO5 leagues.
- Get the best bowls you can and pursue a scheduling agreement with the BE or a big5 league in football or hoops to maximize SOS and postseason chances/revenues.

CUSA/Belt/MAC- Keep revenues high by any means available and do your best to keep ahead of the other 2. Stay in geographic regions to keep travel from killing you.

This is great insight. I like this.
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RE: My strategy if I were a Commissioner in the Five Major Conferences
(02-20-2013 05:00 PM)S11 Wrote:  
(02-20-2013 04:51 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
(02-20-2013 04:28 PM)S11 Wrote:  If they don't keep the payout even with where it is, adding them simply encourages teams to look around.

Maybe, but I doubt it would be much of a factor. If teams are going to leave a few million more one way or the other isn't going to be a big deal in the final equation.

Conference moves are going to be more about positioning oneself for the future structure of college athletics than money at this point, IMO.

And in that regard, I think that is why I would agree a team would bolt from the ACC to the Big 12 in an ACC minus 4 scenario, not money.

But back to the perspective of the ACC commish, you have two choices- be proactive or reactive. They chose proactive with the adds of Pitt/Syracuse and ND. I think a preemptive add of UConn/Cincy follows a similar strategy at this point.

Revenue per school is the problem right now. Those two don't help. If the ACC is raided they can take them easily. The ACC will get a better deal than 2-3mm that the BE is getting even if it's only Pitt, UL, Cuse, BC, Wake, and Duke. That isn't too different than the BE that had 11mm offered to it once USF, Cincy, and UConn are added.

Being proactive here is either getting a GOR or getting a new revenue stream because expansion really isn't going to increase the pie without ND or another huge fish. It's only good to be proactive if it helps. Look at the WAC16. They should have stopped at a lower # and it might not have split.

Agree with the sentiment some of your points, although I don't think the WAC-16 is a relevant in this case. The WAC-16 is brought up a lot these days, but I think it is a stretch comparison to make. Lots of differences that make this a totally different realignment scenario.

As far as Cincy and UConn, when the ACC added Pitt and Syracuse and ND pre-emptively, I thought they were good proactive moves that actually put the other conferences on their heels. This obviously isn't the exact same situation, but a big advantage to preemptive moves in expansion are that you are strengthening your bench so that if you do get raided, you don't fall below some critical viability number (as the Big 12 has come close to finding out, and a reason I am nervous about the Big 12 staying at 10). Also those candidates will have revenue to develop now, instead of being cash strapped with BE revenue money (although I guess all of the buy out money they are getting short term should help in that regard).

I don't know what the right thing to do is if I'm the ACC commish. But I'd have to at least consider that option (of going to 16) as one of the few proactive things I could do. Agree that a GOR would be most ideal. And meeting UNC needs is critical. If those two are met, then I wouldn't even consider 16. But if I'm relatively sure that I'm losing 2 or 4 schools, I might have to consider it now instead of later.
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RE: My strategy if I were a Commissioner in the Five Major Conferences
(02-21-2013 09:56 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
(02-20-2013 05:00 PM)S11 Wrote:  
(02-20-2013 04:51 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
(02-20-2013 04:28 PM)S11 Wrote:  If they don't keep the payout even with where it is, adding them simply encourages teams to look around.

Maybe, but I doubt it would be much of a factor. If teams are going to leave a few million more one way or the other isn't going to be a big deal in the final equation.

Conference moves are going to be more about positioning oneself for the future structure of college athletics than money at this point, IMO.

And in that regard, I think that is why I would agree a team would bolt from the ACC to the Big 12 in an ACC minus 4 scenario, not money.

But back to the perspective of the ACC commish, you have two choices- be proactive or reactive. They chose proactive with the adds of Pitt/Syracuse and ND. I think a preemptive add of UConn/Cincy follows a similar strategy at this point.

Revenue per school is the problem right now. Those two don't help. If the ACC is raided they can take them easily. The ACC will get a better deal than 2-3mm that the BE is getting even if it's only Pitt, UL, Cuse, BC, Wake, and Duke. That isn't too different than the BE that had 11mm offered to it once USF, Cincy, and UConn are added.

Being proactive here is either getting a GOR or getting a new revenue stream because expansion really isn't going to increase the pie without ND or another huge fish. It's only good to be proactive if it helps. Look at the WAC16. They should have stopped at a lower # and it might not have split.

Agree with the sentiment some of your points, although I don't think the WAC-16 is a relevant in this case. The WAC-16 is brought up a lot these days, but I think it is a stretch comparison to make. Lots of differences that make this a totally different realignment scenario.

As far as Cincy and UConn, when the ACC added Pitt and Syracuse and ND pre-emptively, I thought they were good proactive moves that actually put the other conferences on their heels. This obviously isn't the exact same situation, but a big advantage to preemptive moves in expansion are that you are strengthening your bench so that if you do get raided, you don't fall below some critical viability number (as the Big 12 has come close to finding out, and a reason I am nervous about the Big 12 staying at 10). Also those candidates will have revenue to develop now, instead of being cash strapped with BE revenue money (although I guess all of the buy out money they are getting short term should help in that regard).

I don't know what the right thing to do is if I'm the ACC commish. But I'd have to at least consider that option (of going to 16) as one of the few proactive things I could do. Agree that a GOR would be most ideal. And meeting UNC needs is critical. If those two are met, then I wouldn't even consider 16. But if I'm relatively sure that I'm losing 2 or 4 schools, I might have to consider it now instead of later.

The ACC will not go to 16 without waiting for Notre Dame just like how the B1G waited at 11 for Notre Dame before finally deciding to add Nebraska.
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UTSA is holding out for the Big 12, SEC, or the BIG10. UTSA would also go to a conference that takes the best teams from those 3 conferences.
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Options for the SEC:

1. Do nothing and wait on someone else to make a move
2. Expand west - extremely unlikely unless Texas or Oklahoma decide suddenly they want to come on board
3. Expand East - In order or desirability
a) UNC and UVA
b) UNC and VT
c) UNC and Duke
d) NC State and VT
e) VT and WVU
f) NC State and WVU
g) VT and ECU
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(02-21-2013 11:13 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Options for the SEC:

1. Do nothing and wait on someone else to make a move
2. Expand west - extremely unlikely unless Texas or Oklahoma decide suddenly they want to come on board
3. Expand East - In order or desirability
a) UNC and UVA
b) UNC and VT
c) UNC and Duke
d) NC State and VT
e) VT and WVU
f) NC State and WVU
g) VT and ECU

Agree.
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(02-21-2013 11:13 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Options for the SEC:

1. Do nothing and wait on someone else to make a move
2. Expand west - extremely unlikely unless Texas or Oklahoma decide suddenly they want to come on board
3. Expand East - In order or desirability
a) UNC and UVA
b) UNC and VT
c) UNC and Duke
d) NC State and VT
e) VT and WVU
f) NC State and WVU
g) VT and ECU

Unless you can land the Longhorns, 3a, 3b, and maybe 3c are better than 2. Without UT, the eastern options add much more of an audience to the SEC footprint.

Oklahoma population = 3.8 million

North Carolina population = 9.8 million

Virginia population = 8.2 million
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