We can draw a straight line from every major conference expansion to increased revenue except the ACC.

What am I missing? How did the ACC benefit from the additions of Syracuse, Pitt, & Notre Dame? What do the additions of these 3schools tell us about the ACC?

uh I don't like the ACC but just Syracuse and Pitt took them from a 12.9 mil per school tv deal up to like a 16-17 mil per school tv deal. That's before Notre Dame and Louisville even.

(02-12-2013 08:28 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  We can draw a straight line from every major conference expansion to increased revenue except the ACC.

What am I missing? How did the ACC benefit from the additions of Syracuse, Pitt, & Notre Dame? What do the additions of these 3schools tell us about the ACC?

ESPN reported that SU & Pitt took ACC from roughly $13M/yr/team to roughly $17M/yr/team.

Dodd (CBS) reported that ND took ACC from roughly $17M/yr/team to roughly $19.5M/yr/team.

ESPN said replacing Maryland with Louisville had no effect on TV revenue (though I suspect it may affect other things).

If you look at it in terms of $/game it appears that with each expansion ESPN has never renegotiated the value of games already under contract, but it has paid market value for all new games added.

(02-12-2013 08:28 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  We can draw a straight line from every major conference expansion to increased revenue except the ACC.

What am I missing? How did the ACC benefit from the additions of Syracuse, Pitt, & Notre Dame? What do the additions of these 3schools tell us about the ACC?

ACC jumped from 13mm to 17mm with Pitt & Cuse adding inventory and years to the deal.

ND is rumored at 1-2mm per school.

Thanks. I hadn't kept up with that one.

Wait but isn't the contract very back loaded and they don't get 17 mil until the last few years and for the first few they just make 12-13 mil?

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/I...s/FSU.aspx

(02-12-2013 04:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Wait but isn't the contract very back loaded and they don't get 17 mil until the last few years and for the first few they just make 12-13 mil?

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/I...s/FSU.aspx

Unless any of us the the contract we can either choose to trust Wetzel's sources or not.

(02-12-2013 04:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Wait but isn't the contract very back loaded and they don't get 17 mil until the last few years and for the first few they just make 12-13 mil?

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/I...s/FSU.aspx

all contracts with espn are backloaded

(02-12-2013 04:55 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Wait but isn't the contract very back loaded and they don't get 17 mil until the last few years and for the first few they just make 12-13 mil?

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/I...s/FSU.aspx

all contracts with espn are backloaded

Yes. However the question is the degree to which it's backloaded.

(02-12-2013 08:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  uh I don't like the ACC but just Syracuse and Pitt took them from a 12.9 mil per school tv deal up to like a 16-17 mil per school tv deal. That's before Notre Dame and Louisville even.

exactly. before ND and UL.

(02-12-2013 04:59 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:55 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Wait but isn't the contract very back loaded and they don't get 17 mil until the last few years and for the first few they just make 12-13 mil?

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/I...s/FSU.aspx

all contracts with espn are backloaded

Yes. However the question is the degree to which it's backloaded.

i havent seen it published how much backloaded anywhere

(02-12-2013 05:07 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:59 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:55 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Wait but isn't the contract very back loaded and they don't get 17 mil until the last few years and for the first few they just make 12-13 mil?

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/I...s/FSU.aspx

all contracts with espn are backloaded

Yes. However the question is the degree to which it's backloaded.

i havent seen it published how much backloaded anywhere

I just posted it. You guys don't get to 17 mil until 2021.

(02-12-2013 05:08 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 05:07 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:59 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:55 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Wait but isn't the contract very back loaded and they don't get 17 mil until the last few years and for the first few they just make 12-13 mil?

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/I...s/FSU.aspx

all contracts with espn are backloaded

Yes. However the question is the degree to which it's backloaded.

i havent seen it published how much backloaded anywhere

I just posted it. You guys don't get to 17 mil until 2021.

The comments in the article imply that it's more backloaded than expected to me but that is honestly open to interpretation.

If that is so, to get to a $17M per year average, those last few years must be HUGE.

Which makes it not very likely.

No, only the ACC's contract is backloaded and only the ACC's league office takes a share. Everyone else is funded by a secret government agency located in West Virginia's foothills - which explains all of their insiders.

(02-12-2013 05:15 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If that is so, to get to a $17M per year average, those last few years must be HUGE.

Which makes it not very likely.

It would have the final 6 years averaging 21.4 million

The final year would be about 25.8

(02-12-2013 05:08 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 05:07 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:59 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:55 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Wait but isn't the contract very back loaded and they don't get 17 mil until the last few years and for the first few they just make 12-13 mil?

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/I...s/FSU.aspx

all contracts with espn are backloaded

Yes. However the question is the degree to which it's backloaded.

i havent seen it published how much backloaded anywhere

I just posted it. You guys don't get to 17 mil until 2021.

how about big 12 for comparison

(02-12-2013 06:39 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  No, only the ACC's contract is backloaded and only the ACC's league office takes a share. Everyone else is funded by a secret government agency located in West Virginia's foothills - which explains all of their insiders.

They're located in the old bomb shelter built for Congress at the Greenbrier...

(02-12-2013 07:07 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 05:08 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 05:07 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:59 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:55 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  all contracts with espn are backloaded

Yes. However the question is the degree to which it's backloaded.

i havent seen it published how much backloaded anywhere

I just posted it. You guys don't get to 17 mil until 2021.

how about big 12 for comparison

Nobody has leaked that. The ACC quote was from "sources" the writer quoted.

(02-12-2013 07:09 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 06:39 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  No, only the ACC's contract is backloaded and only the ACC's league office takes a share. Everyone else is funded by a secret government agency located in West Virginia's foothills - which explains all of their insiders.

They're located in the old bomb shelter built for Congress at the Greenbrier...

A really great place!