(02-09-2013 07:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 06:17 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  How much evidence do you need?

A court decision that reverses the precedent established by the West Virginia vs Big East case, and the Big 12 vs Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and A&M cases, that contract terms designed to hold a school in a conference are not enforceable.

ACC vs MAryland is on the clock.

There was no final decision in the WVU-BE case. There was a negotiated settlement of approx. 4x the exit fee to leave immediately. Also, a case there would have no binding authority on ACC or B12 case unless in same state or same federal district

(02-09-2013 07:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 06:17 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  How much evidence do you need?

A court decision that reverses the precedent established by the West Virginia vs Big East case, and the Big 12 vs Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and A&M cases, that contract terms designed to hold a school in a conference are not enforceable.

ACC vs MAryland is on the clock.

There was no final decision in the WVU-BE case. There was a negotiated settlement of approx. 4x the exit fee to leave immediately. Also, a case there would have no binding authority on ACC or B12 case unless in same state or same federal district

(02-10-2013 01:34 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  The point is "You signed the deal, so tough noogies" is not a principle that holds as much sway in courts as it would with a jury of laymen.

It is bizarre that you reduce this discussion to such a perfunctory notion.

Does it not bother you in the least that so many experienced and knowledgeable people believe the GOR is valid?

"the Big 12’s grant-of-rights clause binds each school’s media revenue, approximately $20 million annually, to the conference for the next 13 years, virtually precluding any defections."

There is an overwhelming consensus here. The media, the conferences, the networks....they ALL believe in the validity of the GOR.

They also believed in the validity of the Big East's 27 month waiting period. When the Big East went to court to enforce that via an injunction, they got shot down.

Quote:To disparage in light of so much evidence it is to make an extraordinary claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where is yours? Your gut feeling or what some UConn fan posted while drunk on a message board is not good enough.

My evidence is the settlements of the West Virginia vs Big East and Big XII vs CU, NU, MU and A&M cases. In none of those cases did a court uphold the supposedly ironclad bylaws and contracts. In every case, the school got to leave and either pay less than the contracts and bylaws said, or leave sooner than the contracts and bylaws said.

I'd say that the "extraordinary claim" is that courts will enforce a one-way contract, giving Texas' TV rights to the Big 12 and giving Texas--nothing.

My evidence is the settlements of the West Virginia vs Big East and Big XII vs CU, NU, MU and A&M cases.

NONE of which involved a Grant of Rights.

No amount of evidence will convince you. We all get it.

(02-10-2013 03:02 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  My evidence is the settlements of the West Virginia vs Big East and Big XII vs CU, NU, MU and A&M cases.

NONE of which involved a Grant of Rights.

No amount of evidence will convince you. We all get it.

Do you have a case which
1. involved a Grant of Rights, which are pretty common in the music industry
2. originally said "Company pays Musician $X per year"
3. and the company got away with NOT paying the musician $X and still selling their albums?

(02-10-2013 03:02 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  My evidence is the settlements of the West Virginia vs Big East and Big XII vs CU, NU, MU and A&M cases.

NONE of which involved a Grant of Rights.

No amount of evidence will convince you. We all get it.

That's the big unknown. There has not been a court challenge to the GOR as it relates to NCAA conferences. Until the GOR is challenged in court none of us will really know for sure.

There doesn't look to be one happening any time in the future either, XL...

(02-10-2013 04:18 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  There doesn't look to be one happening any time in the future either, XL...

Then I guess it will remain a mystry, with many misguided conversations.

All of this is moot until and unless the B1G makes its next move.

If they are content, then its pretty much over at the Power League level for a long time (at least until the B12 GOR is up) but if they do, then all hell may break loose.